Are those who deny eternal punishment doomed to Hell?

[Saint Steven]

Because I'm not the one whose wrong.

That would be "who's" wrong. A contraction of "who is". "Not the one who is wrong."
The word "whose" is a possessive pronoun. "Do you know whose this is?"

If you weren't before, you are now. - lol

 

[FineLinen]

So you refuse to answer a simple question posed to you! I guess that ends this conversation.

Noli: Much thanks for your simple question. I bid you adieu as you proceed to others more qualified to meet your questions.

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[Saint Steven]

The "uninformed" lost are not held accountable for what they do not know but only for how they have already responded to the truth that has already been revealed to them and Romans 1:20 says that God has and does reveal this much to everyone

"For the invisible thins of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse."

Contradictory and unbiblical. That's quite a combination.

That scripture says we are without excuse. But the first part of your post claims that the ignorant are excused. Which is it?

 

[Saint Steven]

Noli: Much thanks for your simple question. I bid you adieu as you proceed to others more qualified to meet your questions.

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Definition of adieu. - lol
That is so funny.

 

[Der Alte]

That would be "who's" wrong. A contraction of "who is". "Not the one who is wrong."
The word "whose" is a possessive pronoun. "Do you know whose this is?"
If you weren't before, you are now. - lol

Watch out grammar police in the forum. Everyone be on your best diction.

 

[Contenders Edge]

That would be "who's" wrong. A contraction of "who is". "Not the one who is wrong."
The word "whose" is a possessive pronoun. "Do you know whose this is?"

If you weren't before, you are now. - lol

That was a typo on my part, but what is important is whether or not the intended meaning was understood.

 

[Contenders Edge]

Contradictory and unbiblical. That's quite a combination.

That scripture says we are without excuse. But the first part of your post claims that the ignorant are excused. Which is it?

In light of scripture, no one is entirely ignorant of the truth of God--I thought I made that clear in my post---but there are those to whom more has been given and there are those to whom not as much has been given and the measure by which all will be judged will be according to the measure of truth revealed to them.

 

[FineLinen]

Definition of adieu. - lol
That is so funny.

Dear Saint: Noli has been a bundle of laughs. We shall miss him vely vely much.

How about transforming adieu into Spanish?

adieu = adiós

adieu = te veo

adieu = chao

Dear Noli: we bid you farewell/ we shall see you / bye.

No Noli, NOT aidios, adiós. (lol)

 

[Saint Steven]

That was a typo on my part, but what is important is whether or not the intended meaning was understood.

Well, your claim was that "Even the demons confess Christ as Lord..."
Clearly the demons do not CURRENTLY confess Christ as Lord. (but they will)
You have no basis to claim that you are right, or that I am wrong.

Try these questions on for size.
If we confess Jesus Christ as Lord will we be saved?
What if a demon confesses Jesus Christ as Lord, will they be saved?

Saint Steven said: ↑
Why can't you just admit when you are wrong?
Nice game of connect the dots though. Bravo.

Contenders Edge said: ↑
Even the demons confess Christ as Lord, but are they doing so out of adoration?

 

[Saint Steven]

Dear Saint: Noli has been a bundle of laughs. We shall miss him vely vely much.

How about transforming adieu into Spanish?

adieu = adiós

adieu = te veo

adieu = chao

Dear Noli: we bid you farewell/ we shall see you / bye.

No Noli, NOT aidios, adiós. (lol)

I must have missed the memo. Where is he going and why?

 

[Saint Steven]

In light of scripture, no one is entirely ignorant of the truth of God--I thought I made that clear in my post---but there are those to whom more has been given and there are those to whom not as much has been given and the measure by which all will be judged will be according to the measure of truth revealed to them.

Salvation is a gray area then, not black and white?
Since that is the case, how can you assume there is no salvation in the afterlife?
The gray area you describe in your post spills over into the afterlife.

Like those to whom Christ made proclamation to in the realm of the dead before his resurrection. When he took captives with him out of there.

 

[FineLinen]

I must have missed the memo. Where is he going and why?

Dear Steve: Noli is of the opinion aidios & aionios are identical in scope & meaning. "No" is not in his vocabulary. The numerous responses to him have met with you have not answered my question.

How did you miss the memo? This is unacceptable for a saint of your calibre. (lol)

Noli has been a bundle of laughs. We shall miss him muchly!

Transforming adieu into Spanish =

adieu = adiós

adieu = te veo

adieu = chao

Dear Noli: we bid you farewell/ we shall see you / bye.

No Noli, NOT aidios, adiós.

 

[Saint Steven]

Dear Steve: Noli is of the opinion aidios & aionios are identical in scope & meaning. "No" is not in his vocabulary. The numerous responses to him have met with you have not answered my question.

How did you miss the memo? This is unacceptable for a saint of your calibre. (lol)

Noli has been a bundle of laughs. We shall miss him muchly!

Transforming adieu into Spanish =

adieu = adiós

adieu = te veo

adieu = chao

Dear Noli: we bid you farewell/ we shall see you / bye.

No Noli, NOT aidios, adiós.

Oh, I get it now.
Not sure why I was being so thick-headed. Especially when a play on words is involved.

For those of us in the know, "aidios" is NOT "adiós".
But for the less fortunate, well... I guess that's another story all together. - lol

Thanks for bearing with me while I catch up. "Love is patient, love is kind... "

Even "adieu" is a scary word now. Sounds like "achoo" (a sneeze) pronounced with a stuffed up nose.

 

[Der Alte]

Salvation is a gray area then, not black and white?
Since that is the case, how can you assume there is no salvation in the afterlife?
The gray area you describe in your post spills over into the afterlife.
Like those to whom Christ made proclamation to in the realm of the dead before his resurrection. When he took captives with him out of there.

Incorrect interpretation. How can you assume that that there is salvation after death? Scripture does not directly and unequivocally support salvation after death. That is an assumption UR-ites make and try to support with various out-of-context proof texts.
Christ did not preach to the dead before His resurrection. 1 Pet 3:18-19 is the proof text.

1 Peter 3:18-19
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;​

The grave/hell is never called prison and prison is never called the grave/hell. When these 2 verses are read out-of-context as UR-ites do, they might seem to support the UR claim. But let us ead the next verse which UR-ites ignore.

1 Peter 3:19-20
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.​

Jesus was not preaching to dead souls in the grave/hell only 8 people were saved and they were alive not dead.
Jesus told us what His earthly ministry was in Luk 4:18-19

Luke 4:18-19
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.​

Jesus’ ministry did not include preaching to dead souls in the grave/hell. The Greek word translated “captives” literally mean “prisoner(s) of war.” NOT dead souls in the grave/hell.

 

[Der Alte]

Greek has always been the language of the EOB. Who better than they know the correct meaning of, e.g. “aionios” and “kolasis?” Note the EOB uses “aionios” and “aidios” a synonyms.

The Eastern / Greek Orthodox Bible EOB — New Testament 96
Matthew 25:46 Then he will answer them. saying ‘Amen. I tell you: a much as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.' “These [[ones on the left]] will go away into eternal punishment.[κολασιν αιωνιον/kolasin aionion] but the righteous into eternal 1ife.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world, his invisible things are clearly seen. They perceived through created things, even his everlasting [τε αιδιος/te aidios] power and divinity.
1 Timothy 1:17 Now, to the eternal [των αιωνων/ton aionon] King. immortal. invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory unto ages of ages. Amen.
https://azbyka.ru/otechnik/books/original/18204/18204-New-Testament-(The-Eastern-Greek-Orthodox-Bible).pdf​

This version can be D/L at the link above. If you choose to read this version I suggest you read the scholarship recorded in the preface.

 

[FineLinen]

Oh, I get it now.
Not sure why I was being so thick-headed. Especially when a play on words is involved.

For those of us in the know, "aidios" is NOT "adiós".
But for the less fortunate, well... I guess that's another story all together. - lol

Thanks for bearing with me while I catch up. "Love is patient, love is kind... "

Even "adieu" is a scary word now. Sounds like "achoo" (a sneeze) pronounced with a stuffed up nose.

Fortunately for F.L. perfection has now arrived. No more thick headedness & definitely no more runny noses.

"Love never dies. Inspired speech will be over some day; praying in tongues will end; understanding will reach its limit. We know only a portion of the truth, and what we say about God is always incomplete. But when the Complete arrives, our incompletes will be canceled." -MSG-

 

[Saint Steven]

Fortunately for F.L. perfection has now arrived. ..

I hope that doesn't mean what it could mean...

"Swing low... sweet chariot..."

 

[FineLinen]

I hope that doesn't mean what it could mean...

"Swing low... sweet chariot..."

Brother: The chariots of Fire are breathing down my neck. I do trust there will be someone who misses me as the whirlpool completes its work.

 

[Saint Steven]

Brother: The chariots of Fire are breathing down my neck. I do trust there will be someone who misses me as the whirlpool completes its work.

Sure, we'll miss you.
Soon to be forgotten when we meet the NEW AND IMPROVED YOU.
Even your wife (former) will be impressed.
As the saying goes, "Last one in is a rotten egg!" - lol

When I arrive, I long to hear your voice beckoning me, "Come on in, the water's fine."

 

[nolidad]

Noli: Much thanks for your simple question. I bid you adieu as you proceed to others more qualified to meet your questions.

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Adieu! It is just sad someone makes a declaration and then goes to great lengths to refuse to answer what they proclaim.