What creationists need to do to win against evolution.

[pitabread]

Come up with a scientific theory that has equivalent or better explanatory* power for the origin and diversity of species on Earth, and equivalent or better application in fields of applied biology.

Until creationists can do that, everything else is irrelevant.

*(And for the record, "God made stuff" isn't an explanation.)

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I thought that only creationists start these arguments.

 

[solid_core]

Come up with a scientific theory that has equivalent or better explanatory* power for the origin and diversity of species on Earth, and equivalent or better application in fields of applied biology.

Until creationists can do that, everything else is irrelevant.

*(And for the record, "God made stuff" isn't an explanation.)

I do not know of any Young Earth Creationism model, but progressive creationists like RTB try to postulate some models:

RTB claims to have a scientific model predicting an increase in astronomical evidence that Earth resides at the ideal location in the cosmos for both harboring advanced civilization and technology and making the universe observable.[6] Nontheistic models predict that astronomical discoveries will show that Earth is unremarkable for both habitability and observation.

The RTB model also predicts that as scientists continue to research the causes and effects of plate tectonics, their findings will reveal evidence for the fine-tuning required for long-lasting, stable plate-tectonic activity on a planet with a thin atmosphere.

The RTB model predicts that future anthropological and genetic research will increasingly confirm that humans are biologically distinct rather than descended from a hominid species. It predicts stronger evidence for humanity's genetic, anatomical, and behavioral uniqueness. It places the earliest hominids at 6.5 million years ago and the first humans at around fifty thousand years ago.

RTB also predicts that the flood of Noah was a local event. There is some evidence for a large flood in modern day Iraq around 2900 BC

Reasons to Believe - Wikipedia

But I just googled it, so I have no further info.

 

[ReesePiece23]

Win, lose, or draw, the end result is just going to end up being banal. 'Winning' shouldn't be the goal. Exploration should be.

I never want to get to a stage where I'm right and 'win' a debate. Where's the fun in that?

 

[GodsGrace101]

Come up with a scientific theory that has equivalent or better explanatory* power for the origin and diversity of species on Earth, and equivalent or better application in fields of applied biology.

Until creationists can do that, everything else is irrelevant.

*(And for the record, "God made stuff" isn't an explanation.)

I'm amazed at the amount of information in our DNA.
I'm amazed at how a cell functions.

How is information received if not by an intelligent being?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The elegance and complexity of life is enough evidence of creation for me.

 

[solid_core]

For me, the simple fact that we can see natural laws and create working mathematical models or scientific theories (including the ToE) means that the Universe we live in is ordered and intelligible, therefore made for rational beings by another rational being.

 

[Al Touthentop]

Come up with a scientific theory that has equivalent or better explanatory* power for the origin and diversity of species on Earth, and equivalent or better application in fields of applied biology.

Until creationists can do that, everything else is irrelevant.

*(And for the record, "God made stuff" isn't an explanation.)

We don't need to "win" an argument about the creation. We need to win souls for Christ.

 

[SeventyOne]

Come up with a scientific theory that has equivalent or better explanatory* power for the origin and diversity of species on Earth, and equivalent or better application in fields of applied biology.

Until creationists can do that, everything else is irrelevant.

*(And for the record, "God made stuff" isn't an explanation.)

You want a creationist to tell you an explanation that doesn't involve 'God making stuff'? Do you know what creationism is?

 

[Speedwell]

I do not know of any Young Earth Creationism model, but progressive creationists like RTB try to postulate some models:

RTB claims to have a scientific model predicting an increase in astronomical evidence that Earth resides at the ideal location in the cosmos for both harboring advanced civilization and technology and making the universe observable.[6] Nontheistic models predict that astronomical discoveries will show that Earth is unremarkable for both habitability and observation.

The RTB model also predicts that as scientists continue to research the causes and effects of plate tectonics, their findings will reveal evidence for the fine-tuning required for long-lasting, stable plate-tectonic activity on a planet with a thin atmosphere.

The RTB model predicts that future anthropological and genetic research will increasingly confirm that humans are biologically distinct rather than descended from a hominid species. It predicts stronger evidence for humanity's genetic, anatomical, and behavioral uniqueness. It places the earliest hominids at 6.5 million years ago and the first humans at around fifty thousand years ago.

RTB also predicts that the flood of Noah was a local event. There is some evidence for a large flood in modern day Iraq around 2900 BC

Reasons to Believe - Wikipedia

But I just googled it, so I have no further info.

That won't go over very well; creationists hate Hugh Ross.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I thought that only creationists start these arguments.

He is trying to help.

One added point. Try to think of what observations could possibly refute your claim. Strawman versions of evolution do not count. It must be a reasonable test based upon your idea's own merits.

 

[Speedwell]

I'm amazed at the amount of information in our DNA.
I'm amazed at how a cell functions.

How is information received if not by an intelligent being?

That's a good question, but this is not a theism/atheism discussion.

 

[solid_core]

That won't go over very well; creationists hate Hugh Ross.

Why do they hate him?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You want a creationist to tell you an explanation that doesn't involve 'God making stuff'? Do you know what creationism is?

The problem is that "God did it" is not an explanation. You do not have to show how "God did it" but you would have to show how you know that he did it. And "Because the Bible says so" is not an answer either.

 

[Subduction Zone]

We don't need to "win" an argument about the creation. We need to win souls for Christ.

Then it might be wise not to deny evolution.

 

[Speedwell]

You want a creationist to tell you an explanation that doesn't involve 'God making stuff'? Do you know what creationism is?

There are a lot of ways God could have "made stuff," some of them consistent with evolution. That's not what this is about; it's about God "making stuff" in six days 6000 years ago.

 

[SeventyOne]

The problem is that "God did it" is not an explanation. You do not have to show how "God did it" but you would have to show how you know that he did it. And "Because the Bible says so" is not an answer either.

So, biblical creationists have to satisfy deluded evolutionists while not using God or the scriptures. Got it.

 

[GodsGrace101]

That's a good question, but this is not a theism/atheism discussion.

Who said it was?
Whatever started the universe made a special place for us. It's becoming more and more apparent that we are a unique species.

And that something created us due to the billions of bits of information in our DNA.....It's becoming apparent that something or some being or whatever, put it there to make us the unique beings we are.

This also has to do with cosmology.
Just a little closer to the sun and we'd burn...
Just a little further away and we'd freeze.

I just said this amazes me...
I surely don't understand it..
but you have your fun trying to.

 

[Speedwell]

We don't need to "win" an argument about the creation. We need to win souls for Christ.

In that case maybe Christians shouldn't make a literal interpretation of Genesis a deal-breaker.

 

[Al Touthentop]

Then it might be wise not to deny evolution.

God gave his theory of creation already. If a person doesn't accept that, then they're not going to accept that Jesus died for them.