Are we the only inhabited planet in God's Universe?

[Sorn]

You are betraying your bias toward indoeuropean type languages that do not have multiple levels of meaning. All Semitic languages have different levels of meaning. The Arabic in the Koran has 7 layers.

Doesn't make my statement any less true, which is to say such an approach will lend itself to all sorts of interpretations of a statement being made.

 

[Sorn]

Did dogs sin? Did cats? birds? fish? NO.
Do they die? YES.

This premise is already proved false.

Its one thing for God to let death affect animals as well as humans, ie (sin corrupts this world) but an entirely different thing to say that an intelligent species on the other side of our universe all of a sudden starts dying because of what Adam did.


I can counter you reply by saying, if angels sinned how come angels don't die??

Sin in and of itself does not cause death (otherwise angels would die as well), its what God does in response to sin that has the repercussion.
In our case God prevented Adam and Eve from eating of the tree of life which He says would prevent them from dying and secondly, He withdrew His life force/spirit in general from this planet so that it was now subject to the laws of 'nature' which dictate things deteriorate, and if its a living thing, eventually dies.

I posit that our whole universe is like that (to God our universe is no big deal) so yes, an aliens world would start to suffer as well, which would mean they would die as well.

However thats my point, God would not create other intelligent alien life because He would then have to let them die which I maintain He would not do as they had not sinned (an animal cannot exercise faith in God, but aliens can), hence there would be no other intelligent alien life in our universe. We have this one all to ourselves until God has fully redeemed us, at which point he will toss this universe out and usher in a new one, an eternal one

 

[Sorn]

You are betraying your bias toward indoeuropean type languages that do not have multiple levels of meaning. All Semitic languages have different levels of meaning. The Arabic in the Koran has 7 layers.

In the Koran, who decides there are 7 layers, scholars or does the Koran itself explain the 7 layers ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I can counter you reply by saying, if angels sinned how come angels don't die??

Simply to clarify, if possible, from this one post (I have not read the thread or op, etc),
who told you angels don't die ?

What do you mean , (just saw), also, "IF" angels sinned ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

In the Koran, who decides there are 7 layers, scholars or does the Koran itself explain the 7 layers ?

(again, re only this one post) ...
Of what possible importance could the question or the answer have for those seeking Yahweh's Kingdom ?

 

[Sorn]

Simply to clarify, if possible, from this one post (I have not read the thread or op, etc),
who told you angels don't die ?

What do you mean , (just saw), also, "IF" angels sinned ?

No where in the bible does it say angels die except when God throws the rebellious ones into the lake of fire, even then some would say they suffer for eternity.
The bible says that demons (bad angels) are either loose on earth or bound in a prison, which is where Jesus went during his death

"If" was a rhetorical question.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

No where in the bible does it say angels die

THankfully following with >

except

when God throws the rebellious ones into the lake of fire

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Also remembering that Adam and Chavah (Eve) died as soon as they sinned. Long long long before anyone on earth were told or heard of the lake of fire.

Thus, perhaps the fallen angels are dead likewise ..... like most people on earth are dead (in sins and trespasses) ?

 

[Sorn]

(again, re only this one post) ...
Of what possible importance could the question or the answer have for those seeking Yahweh's Kingdom ?

Well if it was scholars then its was other people 'interpreting' the koran that way.
How do they know there aren't more? How can they be sure they aren't imagining the last couple? They can't.

If it was Muhammed in some other text saying it OR if it was, say, 7 other verses in the koran, all referencing the one same verse, but each of the 7 clearly having a slightly different meaning, then the Koran itself would show 'this verse can be interpreted in 7 different ways'.
In both these cases, of course, people are plainly told this verse has 7 meanings and here they are.

I don'y see any verse in the bible unequivocally saying that some other verse has a hidden meaning that aliens exist

 

[Sorn]

Also remembering that Adam and Chavah (Eve) died as soon as they sinned. Long long long before anyone on earth were told or heard of the lake of fire.

Thus, perhaps the fallen angels are dead likewise ..... like most people on earth are dead (in sins and trespasses) ?

If you are using death metaphorically, then sure, but i use it literally

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Well if it was scholars then its was other people 'interpreting' the koran that way.
How do they know there aren't more? How can they be sure they aren't imagining the last couple? They can't.

If it was Muhammed in some other text saying it OR if it was, say, 7 other verses in the koran, all referencing the one same verse, but each of the 7 clearly having a slightly different meaning, then the Koran itself would show 'this verse can be interpreted in 7 different ways'.
In both these cases, of course, people are plainly told this verse has 7 meanings and here they are.

I don'y see any verse in the bible unequivocally saying that some other verse has a hidden meaning that aliens exist

Still, or again, (sorry if this is off topic for the thread, so probably have to end here or soon)
Of what possible importance could the questions or the answers have for those seeking Yahweh's Kingdom (seeking truth) ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If you are using death metaphorically, then sure, but i use it literally

What does Yahweh Mean? He is the One Who Said it. He cannot lie (He is not a man).

 

[Sorn]

Still, or again, (sorry if this is off topic for the thread, so probably have to end here or soon)
Of what possible importance could the questions or the answers have for those seeking Yahweh's Kingdom (seeking truth) ?

Which questions or answers? Do aliens exist?

For our salvation, seeking Yahweh's Kingdom (seeking truth) etc, none.
Again, i don't think the bible mentions anything about extra terrestrial life as its not relevant to us, our sin and Gods redemption of us and our future eternal existence.

That does not mean that Christian theology cannot guide a train of thought on the subject of aliens and I have given my reasons (see post #86) as to why i think Christian theology supports the position that there is no other intelligent life in out universe more so than what it supports the opposite view as espoused by the OP

 

[Sorn]

What does Yahweh Mean? He is the One Who Said it. He cannot lie (He is not a man).

You are splitting hairs here.

 

[Sorn]

What does Yahweh Mean? He is the One Who Said it. He cannot lie (He is not a man).

Not referring to how God uses the term, i am referring to how you use it.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Which questions or answers? Do aliens exist?

For our salvation, seeking Yahweh's Kingdom (seeking truth) etc, none.
Again, i don't think mentions anything about extra terrestrial life as its not relevant to us, our sin and Gods redemption of us and our future eternal existence.

That does not mean that Christian theology cannot guide a train of thought on the subject of aliens and I have given my reasons (see post #86) as to why i think Christian theology supports the position that there is no other intelligent life in out universe more so than what it supports the opposite view as espoused by the OP

You are correct in that Scripture does not support 'aliens' as the world looks for, seeks, or plans for.
But the questions about /from a religion mentioned instead of/ other than True Christianity do not seem to have any benefit. I know and believe that all Scripture instructs us , Yahweh instructs us, not to study or follow other religions.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

You are splitting hairs here.

You said/say something different than Yahweh says, or questioned something He Said (re died),
as if His Word is not the Perfect Standard. i.e. what He Says, what He Means, is what is true.

 

[Sorn]

You are correct in that Scripture does not support 'aliens' as the world looks for, seeks, or plans for.
But the questions about /from a religion mentioned instead of/ other than True Christianity do not seem to have any benefit. I know and believe that all Scripture instructs us , Yahweh instructs us, not to study or follow other religions.

I never said to study or follow other religions.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Not referring to how God uses the term, i am referring to how you use it.

I simply used it as He says to, when He says they died, they died.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I never said to study or follow other religions??

I thought you brought up the book of another religion, for whatever reason.... (no reason in line with His Word that I could determine )