Are we the only inhabited planet in God's Universe?

[visionary]

That is a parable. They are stories to illustrate a point, the point being that a sinner that repents causes much joy in heaven.
This is about a newly repented sinner, ie a new convert to Christianity, perhaps even a backslider returning than about those already converted who are living good lives though Heaven celebrated when they were saved as well.

PaRDeS… dig deeper

 

[Sorn]

PaRDeS… dig deeper

I think you are reading things into scripture that are not there.

I can't see any reason for God to hint at extraterrestrial life.
If people have enough trouble believing what is plainly said in the bible then its next to impossible for anyone to also believe it has coded messages in it about aliens.
Notwithstanding that such coded messages don't aid ones understanding or working out of their salvation. It only serves to muddy the water if anything.

With the concept of PaRDeS, you can read all sorts of things into scripture and interpret it in all sorts of ways. I think its just a mistaken approach that adds little to no value of real worth.

 

[TreWalker]

With the concept of PaRDeS, you can read all sorts of things into scripture and interpret it in all sorts of ways. I think its just a mistaken approach that adds little to no value of real worth.

It's much more than a concept. It's the Jewish foundation for understanding the word of HaShem. Without it you will never understand the 3 dimensional reality that comprises the essence of G-d. You elude to Christians having enough trouble accepting what is plainly written. Yet without the foundation of Pardes you will never be able to enter the paradise that our creator has established for us to live in. To reject Pardes is to refuse to let HaShem speak as an adult to us and reduces his communication to baby gibberish.

 

[pinacled]

That is a parable. They are stories to illustrate a point, the point being that a sinner that repents causes much joy in heaven.
This is about a newly repented sinner, ie a new convert to Christianity, perhaps even a backslider returning than about those already converted who are living good lives though Heaven celebrated when they were saved as well.

There are also treasures hidden in parables.

And shared with joy

 

[Sorn]

It's much more than a concept. It's the Jewish foundation for understanding the word of HaShem. Without it you will never understand the 3 dimensional reality that comprises the essence of G-d. You elude to Christians having enough trouble accepting what is plainly written. Yet without the foundation of Pardes you will never be able to enter the paradise that our creator has established for us to live in. To reject Pardes is to refuse to let HaShem speak as an adult to us and reduces his communication to baby gibberish.

Pardes may be real, and i'm not saying it is, but the problem is that it basically opens up scripture to an order of magnitude more interpretation than already happens.
Lots of people will end up reading stuff into it or think it contains certain hidden messages that simply aren't there or are way off the mark, as in this case.

 

[Sorn]

There are also treasures hidden in parables.

And shared with joy

Yes, but not the treasures this OP thinks are there.

 

[pinacled]

Yes, but not the treasures this OP thinks are there.

Oh,
are you one who knows thoughts better than the OP?

 

[pinacled]

Yes, but not the treasures this OP thinks are there.

I believe that my sis viz is mentioning a change in priesthood.

 

[Sorn]

I believe that my sis viz is mentioning a change in priesthood.

Change in priesthood??
I think our sis viz is meaning she sees the treasure of aliens existing in the hidden meanings of scripture.
I am asserting that she is mistaken on this point.

 

[visionary]

Change in priesthood??
I think our sis viz is meaning she sees the treasure of aliens existing in the hidden meanings of scripture.
I am asserting that she is mistaken on this point.

Notice this is plural... Rulers in heaven, Authorities in heaven and on earth... Visible and invisible...
Colossians 1:16



16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

 

[visionary]

Yes, but not the treasures this OP thinks are there.

Here is a thought.... Just what nations under heaven is the Lord talking about.... If He meant all nation on earth He would have said so.
Deuteronomy 4:19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the LORD your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.

 

[visionary]

I think you are reading things into scripture that are not there.

I can't see any reason for God to hint at extraterrestrial life.
If people have enough trouble believing what is plainly said in the bible then its next to impossible for anyone to also believe it has coded messages in it about aliens.
Notwithstanding that such coded messages don't aid ones understanding or working out of their salvation. It only serves to muddy the water if anything.

With the concept of PaRDeS, you can read all sorts of things into scripture and interpret it in all sorts of ways. I think its just a mistaken approach that adds little to no value of real worth.

Who are they?
Isaiah 13:5 They come from faraway lands, from the ends of the heavens— the LORD and the weapons of his wrath— to destroy the whole country.

 

[visionary]

Pardes may be real, and i'm not saying it is, but the problem is that it basically opens up scripture to an order of magnitude more interpretation than already happens.
Lots of people will end up reading stuff into it or think it contains certain hidden messages that simply aren't there or are way off the mark, as in this case.

Who are the multitudes of heaven?
Nehemiah 9:6 You alone are the LORD. You made the heavens, even the highest heavens, and all their starry host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them. You give life to everything, and the multitudes of heaven worship you.

 

[visionary]

Well here is my reasoning:

The bible teaches that man was created and that he sinned after giving in to Satan's temptation. Man was created in part in order to be tempted and tested as part of the answer to Lucifer/Satan's rebellion.
However God, in his grace and mercy and love, who knew this would happen, made a way for man to be reconciled to Him again. This being by Jesus coming to earth to live a sinless life as a man and to die for our sins.

The bible teaches that a flesh existence is not how we are meant to live, we are meant to have far better bodies (of which Jesus has one now) which are in fact higher than the bodies of angels, therefore, the true place we should be living is in heaven (or the new earth and heaven, yet to come). These bodies also will not die or perish. In short we live in these material bodies while the time of testing and temptation exists.

Now Jesus died for us so we can be saved and be able to attain life in heaven (new earth etc) and have glorified eternal bodies and life. In living on earth and dying he started Christianity and the message of Christianity is preached to this day to mankind.

To be saved you need to hear the message of the Gospel, know who Jesus is , understand the message and accept / believe on him as your Savior.

Now Jesus only died once, he will not die again, He is now seated at Gods right hand (ie in heaven as 2nd in command and even better than he was before his life and death here.)
However he still has the wounds of the nails etc to show he was crucified and he will apparently have these for eternity.


Now, if there were intelligent life comparable to us on other planets, then :
1) if they sinned they have no way to be saved as Jesus will not die again and he did not die for them. It would be like someone saying to us that Gods Son went to live on another planet as some alien and lived a perfect life there and if you believe that he did that then you can share in his salvation, but the story of his life and death be set in alien worlds and cultures etc with not one shred of proof. Yet you'd still be expected to live a moral life because of it and even die because of it.

No religion does that and one should not expect any alien life to understand, believe or accept what they are told about some far of planet called Earth.

In short this position states that any aliens that sin don't have a way to get right with God again AND therefore God would not have created them if he knew He would not be able to save them if they sinned.

2) Further, if the assumption is that there are aliens but they have never sinned, then they would not experience death as God would not let them die, but rather they would already have entered eternity, ie be at least equal to angels and hence not need to dwell in this material universe.

Lastly, the bible says that when Jesus 1000 year reign is over, some time after that the heavens and earth will be rolled up and replaced with new heavens and earth. This is saying that this universe exists as long as Gods plan for man is in operation, once the fullness of salvation has come to mankind, then this universe is replaced with the eternal heavenly universe and creation.

It is broadly due to this line of reasoning that i say that as a Christian, my theology leads me to conclude that there is no other comparable intelligent carbon based mortal life anywhere else in this universe, other than possibly plant and animal life.

Just because you were taught or come to believe what you are saying, doesn't mean it is true. I understand you think your theology is perfect and you need to tear down another's presentation to make yours the dominate. You are in another Cf territory in which you are unfamiliar with the 6000 years of study vs your 2000 years of study. My presentation has been based solely on scripture. There is enough scripture in the bible to indicate that we are not the only created beings in God's Universe.
Psalm 97:6 The heavens proclaim his righteousness, and all peoples see his glory.

 

[Sorn]

Notice this is plural... Rulers in heaven, Authorities in heaven and on earth... Visible and invisible...
Colossians 1:16



16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

While i reject the notion that there is alien intelligent life on other planets in out universe, i have absolutely no problem accepting that what we know of the heavenly realm or dimension is but a smidge and that in it there may well be all sorts of intelligent life, angellic beings and creatures as I have said in some of my previous posts.
The bible is not coy about this, openly saying there are many many angels etc.
I think the scripture you provided fits better with my view than with your premise.

Other intelligent life in the heavenly realm / dimension -Yes
Other intelligent life in the our universe / dimension -No

 

[Sorn]

Who are the multitudes of heaven?
Nehemiah 9:6 You alone are the LORD. You made the heavens, even the highest heavens, and all their starry host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them. You give life to everything, and the multitudes of heaven worship you.

All the angelic beings in, well, er, um, HEAVEN!!, just like the scripture says.

 

[Sorn]

Just because you were taught or come to believe what you are saying, doesn't mean it is true. I understand you think your theology is perfect and you need to tear down another's presentation to make yours the dominate. You are in another Cf territory in which you are unfamiliar with the 6000 years of study vs your 2000 years of study. My presentation has been based solely on scripture. There is enough scripture in the bible to indicate that we are not the only created beings in God's Universe.
Psalm 97:6 The heavens proclaim his righteousness, and all peoples see his glory.

"There is enough scripture in the bible to indicate that we are not the only created beings in God's Universe."

If by universe you mean the 'Heavenly realm or dimension, ie the spiritual realm, then yes.
If by universe you mean out physical one with planets etc, then no.

The bible says that when Jesus 1000 year reign is over, some time after that the heavens and earth will be rolled up and replaced with new heavens and earth. This is saying that this universe exists as long as Gods plan for man is in operation, once the fullness of salvation has come to mankind, then this universe is replaced with the eternal heavenly universe and creation.

If there are other beings in this universe, why is God ending the universe for them just because He has finished redeeming us.
We are a quarantined creation until we have been saved and can join the rest of creation. We have this universe all to ourselves until then.

 

[visionary]

All the angelic beings in, well, er, um, HEAVEN!!, just like the scripture says.

Multitudes is also an indication of variety. Angels beings are just one group, archangels another, and so on, of which I believe there are seven varieties. But that doesn't need to stop there. God is not only our Creator who has filled earth, but also His Universe with His beings.

 

[visionary]

There is enough scripture in the bible to indicate that we are not the only created beings in God's Universe.

If by universe you mean the 'Heavenly realm or dimension, ie the spiritual realm, then yes.
If by universe you mean out physical one with planets etc, then no.

Lastly, the bible says that when Jesus 1000 year reign is over, some time after that the heavens and earth will be rolled up and replaced with new heavens and earth. This is saying that this universe exists as long as Gods plan for man is in operation, once the fullness of salvation has come to mankind, then this universe is replaced with the eternal heavenly universe and creation.

If there are other beings in this universe, why is God ending the universe for them just because He has finished redeeming us.
We are a quarantined creation until we have been saved and can join the rest of creation. We have this universe all to ourselves until then.

There is no indication we are the one and only. There is lots of indication that there are others. They just haven't sinned by all indications, just us. As to the replacing what Universe is now with another, I am sure, after their tempted test, which they passed, there wasn't some remnant that God wanted to eradicate from His Universe to make sure that nothing mars His Heavenly Universe or Creation again. I understand there was a war in heaven. Was it just in God's court, or did it affect other spots throughout His Universe until God was able to isolate it to earth?? Good question.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

 

[visionary]

While i reject the notion that there is alien intelligent life on other planets in out universe, i have absolutely no problem accepting that what we know of the heavenly realm or dimension is but a smidge and that in it there may well be all sorts of intelligent life, angellic beings and creatures as I have said in some of my previous posts.
The bible is not coy about this, openly saying there are many many angels etc.
I think the scripture you provided fits better with my view than with your premise.

Other intelligent life in the heavenly realm / dimension -Yes
Other intelligent life in the our universe / dimension -No

Invisible - angels
Visible - Flesh Beings