Racism on display at University of Virginia

[Ana the Ist]

Where you respond to any point with random tangents and aren't willing to process obvious realities, where is there to go? It just becomes a pointless quibble over details.

Random tangents? I'm not the one who brought up lynching and incarceration rates.

 

[rjs330]

Whatever you’re saying there it has nothing to do with anything I said.

Then why did you say that we needed to understand her position? Her position is a racist view. Did you not say we needed to try and understand?

 

[rjs330]

the US, it isn't long since people were being strung up in the street or thrown in jail for life simply for being black. Black men are still regularly killed by the police there, and a black person who uses drugs is much more likely to be thrown in jail for years than a white person doing exactly the same thing. That's without getting into the whole history of people being taken there by white Europeans en masse, with no option in the matter and under the most horrendous circumstances. These are all verifiable facts. It seems simply unbelievable that anyone could think this is something people should just 'get over' and 'move on' and that some resentment against whites isn't entlrely natural. Seriously, give it some thought - if someone whose family had consistently treated yours like dirt for generations just pitched up at your house expecting to be best buds, and flew into petulant whining if you ever mentioned that past behaviour, how would you react?

Here is your quote. It sure sounds like you are asking us to understand her reaction based upon the past. All we are asking you to do is tell us how long we should be understanding of her behavior? At what point can we say that was in the past and it's no longer an understandable reason for your behavior?

 

[rjs330]

Ok, what you seem to be saying is that you don't think the history of slavery in the US or the other examples of mistreatment of one ethnic group by another has any relevance in the present. I can't think of any example where this idea would be true. If you are right, then you might have missed a career as an international peacemaker - you could simply go in and tell the Tamils, or the IRA or any other group agrieved by some past event that it simply doesn't matter anymore, and they should forget about it.

Then you are referencing current violence within the black community - I don't see what the link to what the rest of what you are saying is.

In this post you are saying history has a relevance in the present.

And since this topic is about this girl's racist comments you are saying history has relevance to her comments and behavior. At what point does history no longer have relevance to her racist behavior? How long are people able to use history as a relevance to support their racist behaviors?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Sure, quoting wikipedia proves your assertion of a 'forced famine' that 'killed millions'.

It has links to sources lol. How many sources did you want?

While absentee landlords and tenant farming was an unjust and often brutal practice, it certainly wasn't unique to Ireland .

The famine it created was. It's arguably the worst famine of the decade.

It's interesting how the mere possibility that a judge sometimes may make a racist decision is a problem that allows you to dismiss racism....

...yet you're completely hand waving away the British stealing land from the Irish, forcing them into servitude, and leaving them with literally one option to feed themselves.

Would it be fair to say that you only recognize the oppression of some races and not others?

 

[Tom 1]

It has links to sources lol. How many sources did you want?



The famine it created was. It's arguably the worst famine of the decade.

It's interesting how the mere possibility that a judge sometimes may make a racist decision is a problem that allows you to dismiss racism....

...yet you're completely hand waving away the British stealing land from the Irish, forcing them into servitude, and leaving them with literally one option to feed themselves.

Would it be fair to say that you only recognize the oppression of some races and not others?

Aha - now you’re starting to get it. Many people at the time offered up the same arguments as you do to explain away the effects of centuries of slavery; The conflict in Ireland was over three centuries before, all this ‘oppression’ is nonsense, look at how they behave, it’s their own fault and blah blah. The arguments about the actual, technical reasons for famine, as seen at the time were no less widely accepted than the notions people have now about other issues, like the descendants of slaves in the US.

 

[Tom 1]

At what point does history no longer have relevance to her racist behavior? How long are people able to use history as a relevance to support their racist behaviors?

So keen to see everything that riles you as racist? There are far more egregious demonstrations of racism you could find. It seems a rather odd question to me. If your country were invaded and you and your people were removed en masse, and you and your people were put to work basically until you died from it to build someone else’s nation, in which you were then not welcome in much of it, would you expect those who came after you to just forget about it? Who can decide when others should just forget what happened to them? People either do, or the don’t. Who are you suggest some sort of arbitrary time limit should be put on it?

 

[Tom 1]

Then why did you say that we needed to understand her position? Her position is a racist view. Did you not say we needed to try and understand?

Well, to state the glaringly obvious, that would seem to be normal behaviour, yes.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Aha - now you’re starting to get it. Many people at the time offered up the same arguments as you do to explain away the effects of centuries of slavery;

I never once "explained away the effects of slavery"...I just don't use them to excuse racism today.

The conflict in Ireland was over a century before, all this ‘oppression’ is nonsense, look at how they behave, it’s their own fault and blah blah.

The conflict in Ireland, arguably, happened until the 1990s.

The arguments about the actual, technical reasons for famine, as seen at the time were no less widely accepted than the notions people have now about other issues, like the descendants of slaves in the US.

So if I were to say a bunch of racist beliefs....let's say I tried to exclude people from the forum because of their race....you'd come to my defense by pointing out that the Irish were oppressed?

 

[Tom 1]

I never once "explained away the effects of slavery"...I just don't use them to excuse racism today.

The idea that the vid in the OP is some sort of spontaneous result of ‘racism’ is daft in the extreme.

The conflict in Ireland, arguably, happened until the 1990s.

There you go - there have been three periods of conflict, the first, in the 1600s, led to the other 2. I wonder why that is? It’s almost as if things that happen then have later consequences in history...who’d a thunk it?

So if I were to say a bunch of racist beliefs....let's say I tried to exclude people from the forum because of their race....you'd come to my defense by pointing out that the Irish were oppressed?

Bit of a feeble analogy.

 

[Tom 1]

I never once "explained away the effects of slavery"

What then are the effects of slavery?

 

[Ana the Ist]

What then are the effects of slavery?

I'm not surprised that you don't know...

 

[Ana the Ist]

The idea that the vid in the OP is some sort of spontaneous result of ‘racism’ is daft in the extreme.

What do you call it when someone tries to exclude people from a place based upon their race?

Bit of a feeble analogy.

It's exactly what you're doing here...what's the difference?

 

[Tom 1]

I'm not surprised that you don't know...

Actually I was wondering what you think. What do you think? What have been the effects/affects of slavery in the US?

 

[Tom 1]

It's exactly what you're doing here...what's the difference?

What is my analogy?

 

[rjs330]

So keen to see everything that riles you as racist? There are far more egregious demonstrations of racism you could find. It seems a rather odd question to me. If your country were invaded and you and your people were removed en masse, and you and your people were put to work basically until you died from it to build someone else’s nation, in which you were then not welcome in much of it, would you expect those who came after you to just forget about it? Who can decide when others should just forget what happened to them? People either do, or the don’t. Who are you suggest some sort of arbitrary time limit should be put on it?

Do you have a different definition of racism? Your first sentence makes it sound like you don't thing the OP girl shared anything that was racist.

As long as your racist there will be no healing between races. As long as you hold a grudge there will be no healing.

And there is no reason to hold a grudge over things that you weren't a part of. Should the Jews hold a grudge towards the germans and not want to allow them around?

How about the Irish, should they not want to be around the English?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Actually I was wondering what you think. What do you think? What have been the effects/affects of slavery in the US?

I think that's a long and off topic question.

 

[Ana the Ist]

What is my analogy?

You're excusing her racism because of things that happened to other black people in the past.

I'm just asking if you do the same for every ethnic/racial group? Can jews be racist or does the holocaust mean they can say whatever racist things they want?

 

[Tom 1]

I think that's a long and off topic question.

How could that possibly be off topic?

 

[Tom 1]

Do you have a different definition of racism? Your first sentence makes it sound like you don't thing the OP girl shared anything that was racist.

As long as your racist there will be no healing between races. As long as you hold a grudge there will be no healing.

And there is no reason to hold a grudge over things that you weren't a part of. Should the Jews hold a grudge towards the germans and not want to allow them around?

How about the Irish, should they not want to be around the English?

That kind of basic thinking is far more of a problem than some young girl saying there should be more cultures in a multi-cultural meeting.