Are we the only inhabited planet in God's Universe?

[Norbert L]

There would be no others.
Adam & Eve sinned, not because they chose the wrong tree, but because they believed the devil and not God and did what the devil said they should do, eat of the tree of knowledge.

Please get that right.

If there were many other worlds with their equivalent of people, they would all have to obey God. The chances that a few would also choose to believe Satan would be too high. Even if it was just 1 other world, they would be stuffed because Jesus does not die a 2nd time. They could not be saved, their sin could not be washed away and they could never be reconciled to God.

God would not let this happen!!
There was just 1 opportunity to test a world and save it if it fell, and that was us.

If you don't believe that, you don't understand Christianity or the Holiness of God or the challenge that the devil/sin was to God and how there was only 1 way He could respond and still be true to himself and His Holiness.

There is no other intelligent life in this universe!!, unless you include Angels having a picnic on the shore of the lakes of Titan etc in their off time!.

The apologetics given by gifted Christians on this topic have withstood the test of time and have conquered the onslaught of highly skilled intellectuals who oppose the belief in Christ. Therefore if I were to agree with you and acknowledge, "Please get that right." as you say. Then I would look defeated in the face of opposition. So no.

There would be no others.

And just to add and point out, to say, "There would be no others" would be in direct violation of God's omnipotence. Do you really believe God is unable to create other worlds?

 

[pinacled]

Just out of curiosity, what would it take for you to admit you are wrong on this?

Likely the same amount of time you would admit to being wrong.
Been awhile since I've found a well trained persistence from a person who still blames the first and second born for crushing their hard heart.

The serpent in its desperation always desires to Seperate man from woman with every possible lie.

 

[Sorn]

Likely the same amount of time you would admit to being wrong.
Been awhile since I've found a well trained persistence from a person who still blames the first and second born for crushing their hard heart.

The serpent in its desperation always desires to Seperate man from woman with every possible lie.

You sound like you engage in substance abuse.
You do get that its actually not possible for anyone to prove that intelligent life does or does not exist on other planets right?

Consequently its complete nonsense for someone to accept they are wrong or right, as no one can provide proof either way. Or don't you understand that?

As such, all we can do is present our arguments as to why we believe or take a certain position on this subject.

If you think my arguments are well reasoned and make sense, then adopt them, if not then don't but I haven't seen any compelling arguments to make me think God would create intelligent life elsewhere (as opposed to the realm of heaven where we are explicitly told in the bible that there are a lot of intelligent beings there)

 

[Sorn]

The apologetics given by gifted Christians on this topic have withstood the test of time and have conquered the onslaught of highly skilled intellectuals who oppose the belief in Christ. Therefore if I were to agree with you and acknowledge, "Please get that right." as you say. Then I would look defeated in the face of opposition. So no.

So you think that Adam's sin was to choose the wrong tree as opposed to not obeying God??
God specifically told Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge, but he did, he sinned by:
a) disobeying God
b) putting his faith in the lie the devil told him.

NOT because he chose the wrong tree!!!

This is standard mainline Christianity. Anything else if a different theology entirely.

And just to add and point out, to say, "There would be no others" would be in direct violation of God's omnipotence. Do you really believe God is unable to create other worlds?

Of course God is able to create worlds and he can create aliens too if He wanted too.
I am saying however that He won't create aliens, i gave my reasons as to why in post #86 so i won't rehash it here.

He has probably created all sorts of intelligent beings apart from us, but they reside in Heaven and were made before us, they are the angelic beings.

 

[Norbert L]

This is standard mainline Christianity. Anything else if a different theology entirely.

There are majority and minority views about scripture being published in credible Christian journals of theology. They can both be acknowledged as "standard mainline Christianity".

I am saying however that He won't create aliens

Just because you don't agree doesn't mean it's proof of very much of anything at all.

 

[Sorn]

Just because you don't agree doesn't mean it's proof of very much of anything at all.

You do get that its actually not possible for anyone to prove that intelligent life does or does not exist on other planets right?

As such, all we can do is present our arguments as to why we believe or take a certain position on this subject.

If you think my arguments are well reasoned and make sense, then adopt them, if not then don't but I haven't seen any compelling arguments to make me think God would create intelligent life elsewhere (as opposed to the realm of heaven where we are explicitly told in the bible that there are a lot of intelligent beings there)

 

[visionary]

Well i just don't think that is how it works and here are a couple of reasons as to why.
What you are proposing would also mean that God is even now giving Satan and the demons their supernatural abilities (ie to posses, travel, not die etc + whatever else they have)

The bible says that after Adam sinned God barred them from the garden of Eden to stop them from eating of the tree of life and gain immortality. This implies that whatever it was that the tree produced, it would alter their bodies in ways so that they would not die (or perhaps stave off death for some time, but they have to keep taking it periodically)

This implies it is not God giving these abilities every second of the day. These substances (which God made) have the ability to confer perpetual youth to our bodies.

Also the book of revelation also speaks of the tree life becoming available again in the new earth / heaven, again , implying its not God actively doing this to everyone at all times.

well this train of thought is taking over this thread and really needs it own thread to continue, which I would love. Supernatural abilities are already available, think about this story..

Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

 

[Sorn]

well this train of thought is taking over this thread and really needs it own thread to continue, which I would love. Supernatural abilities are already available, think about this story..

Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

I have no issue with God doing something supernatural to someone on the odd occasion, like what you have posted. But in general he doesn't and in the future glorified bodies ( as in current angel bodies etc) he doesn't either. He has the ability to create bodies that will have many innate abilities, rather than have to constantly work to do stuff like that.

He may still do some stuff occasionally that He has not endowed into a body, but for our day to day existence in heaven and the new earth / heaven, our bodies will have all the abilities required and needed.

 

[visionary]

I have no issue with God doing something supernatural to someone on the odd occasion, like what you have posted. But in general he doesn't and in the future glorified bodies ( as in current angel bodies etc) he doesn't either. He has the ability to create bodies that will have many innate abilities, rather than have to constantly work to do stuff like that.

He may still do some stuff occasionally that He has not endowed into a body, but for our day to day existence in heaven and the new earth / heaven, our bodies will have all the abilities required and needed.

But it is still a body of flesh supernatural.

 

[Sorn]

But it is still a body of flesh supernatural.

I'm not sure what you meant by that.

I expect that in my resurrected body, i will be able to eat, but i don't expect to have to go to the toilet.
My body will be a completely different body, operating with different physics, principles and matter. It won't be anything like my current body in its physiology etc, it may not even be cellular.
Consequently I expect it to have many abilities (like how it processes food) that my present one does not have and not because because God is there constantly de-materializing any food i eat once it reaches my stomach.

Just don't know why you think God would want to burden himself with micro-managing everyones bodies all the time.

 

[Norbert L]

You do get that its actually not possible for anyone to prove that intelligent life does or does not exist on other planets right?

Yes. The closest we can get is the behavior of UFOs. They raise eyebrows especially now that mainstream media and politics recognizes the phenomena. They're not behaving like some universal/galactic unexplained ameba. What's been reported suggests intelligence.

 

[Sorn]

UFO's do not prove anything because it is still here say as to what they are.

If there are intelligent carbon based aliens out there on other planets then Christianity will be in big trouble as it will be very hard to explain in a serious argument against opponents of Christianity.

If aliens exist that God created and they have not sinned then they would not go anywhere near us and nor would they have any reason too, probably even forbidden to by God, hence they would not be the ufo's.

 

[Norbert L]

If there are intelligent carbon based aliens out there on other planets then Christianity will be in big trouble as it will be very hard to explain in a serious argument against opponents of Christianity.

I'll let a blog from a Christian scholar who reads several ancient languages and also has been published in credible journals, who is up to date with what many of the other people say and write about in his profession answer you.

ET Life and Recent God Talk - Dr. Michael Heiser

 

[Sorn]

I'll let a blog from a Christian scholar who reads several ancient languages and also has been published in credible journals, who is up to date with what many of the other people say and write about in his profession answer you.

ET Life and Recent God Talk - Dr. Michael Heiser

You are kidding right? That article is primary school stuff!
There is no weight behind it. It acknowledges that Christ would not be repeatedly dying for other worlds but offers no explanation or logic or rational as to why Christs death would in anyway atone for sin elsewhere on other planets when they would not have heard the gospel.

Its basically agreeing with my position:
1) Christian theology implies no extra terrestrial life as it does not provide a way for those others to be saved if they sin
2) As such, one has to assume that God has 'another plan' for them, in other words make up another theology if you want to allow for aliens. So back to fiction.

So in summary we have not been contacted by other alien civilizations and we never will because they don't exist, ergo my position is supported by events to date!

 

[Sorn]

God is not short of time, space, energy or power so He can and has created an entire universe just for us. And when He has finished His redemptive work in us, and shown the rebellious angels and demons that His love extends even to dying for His creation, then he will decommission this temporary universe and usher us into the real eternal universe He has waiting.

The above is in 100% agreement with what is in the bible.

 

[visionary]

God is not short of time, space, energy or power so He can and has created an entire universe just for us. And when He has finished His redemptive work in us, and shown the rebellious angels and demons that His love extends even to dying for His creation, then he will decommission this temporary universe and usher us into the real eternal universe He has waiting.

The above is in 100% agreement with what is in the bible.

And nothing says there is no other created intelligences any where else in the universe either. At the beginning of this thread I present a valid argument from a biblical prospective that there are other created intelligent beings in God's Universe. We are just the only group that sinned.

 

[visionary]

UFO's do not prove anything because it is still here say as to what they are.

If there are intelligent carbon based aliens out there on other planets then Christianity will be in big trouble as it will be very hard to explain in a serious argument against opponents of Christianity.

If aliens exist that God created and they have not sinned then they would not go anywhere near us and nor would they have any reason too, probably even forbidden to by God, hence they would not be the ufo's.

Faith was not in trouble because Noah talked about a flood either.

 

[Sorn]

And nothing says there is no other created intelligences any where else in the universe either. At the beginning of this thread I present a valid argument from a biblical prospective that there are other created intelligent beings in God's Universe. We are just the only group that sinned.

You take bible passages, and present then, at times, as others have pointed out, out of context, and then put your own interpretation on them which in effect gives them a double meaning as if they had a hidden message to them.

If God has wanted us to understand there was carbon based life on other planets He would have been more direct than the passages you present.

The bible was meant for us, not for aliens and hence there is no reason to suppose there are hidden meanings or in the text.
I do not find your arguments to be valid or compelling.

God makes no secret of the intelligent life that exists in the heavenly realms, I see no reason why He would be obtuse about other intelligent life in our realm if it existed.

 

[Sorn]

Faith was not in trouble because Noah talked about a flood either.

Not sure what you are getting at here.

 

[visionary]

You take bible passages, and present then, at times, as others have pointed out, out of context, and then put your own interpretation on them which in effect gives them a double meaning as if they had a hidden message to them.

If God has wanted us to understand there was carbon based life on other planets He would have been more direct than the passages you present.

The bible was meant for us, not for aliens and hence there is no reason to suppose there are hidden meanings or in the text.
I do not find your arguments to be valid or compelling.

God makes no secret of the intelligent life that exists in the heavenly realms, I see no reason why He would be obtuse about other intelligent life in our realm if it existed.

No He wouldn't. That would be side tracking for the masses. He always leaves clues for those He wants to inspire to see.