Who says that we assume ancient Jews understanding of the earth or universe was limited merely on the basis that they lived 2000 years ago?
You implied this:
I'm sorry your view is limited to Jews that lived 2000 years ago who had little understanding of space, time or the earth.
Remember, "current year science theories" are at this point over 300 years old and have remained true, justified and backed by observation of physical reality, ever since we've known them to exist (in the case of an old earth).
No. Current year science theories have survived in a propaganda spewing echo-chamber in which the gatekeepers vehemently obscure challenging views. Historical/Origin science does not observe the claims it makes in history about origins, that's absurd. It's an impossibility. What actually happens are the proponents observe various mechanisms of today and muse on that and extrapolate that to things that they cannot observe in the ancient past.
Both sides have the same evidence but interpret it differently. Only your side has a monopoly on academia and the scientific community at large. Primarily because your side
(Old Earth to be clear) is saturated with anti-theists who use these various Old Earth views to argue against a Creator and the Bible. So they gatekeep to keep theists, yes even those who play on your team, out of the idea arena and schools as best they can.
The length of time that a belief survives in an echo-chamber of proponents who vehemently attack its challenges doesn't lend credibility to its integrity. Geocentricism survived for centuries when some Greeks considered it around 4 B.C., but the Ptolemaic Model also survived for thousands of years until Copernicus and Galileo.
People once used to think that distant planets were stars. And we later made telescopes and space shuttles etc. And confirmed that indeed, they are gas giants and other rocky planets etc.
Just the same in this case, it isn't chronological snobbery to state that the Jews of 2000 years ago weren't familiar with the universe or earth.
You stated that it's been factually proven that what some ancients believed to be stars were planets, although I would raise questions about this since peoples' views in ancient times about the universe were nuanced outside of the Bible. Either way, you stated a factual challenge to an ancient belief. What factual challenges disprove the Ancient Jews' belief of how God created the world? Factual as in the sense of being observed, definitive, unchanging, downright what it is, that someone saw and observed just like someone looked through a telescope and saw the planets. Not someone taking something from today and associating it with the past or interpreting data that doesn't exactly say "We evolved" or say "This is this old." I hope you understand this and don't try to spin it.
(FYI, since I say it's time to move on below, this is a rhetorical question.)
It's just a matter of fact. And of course knowledge is relative. People 1000 years from now could very well say the same about us today. But science has proven to be in progression. Space shuttles go further and further. More and more discoveries are continually made. And with that progression, so too comes knowledge of the earth that people historically did not have.
Here you do that age-old fallacy where you conflate origin/historical science with other sciences that developed space shuttles and such. The two are not the same.
Sure we have gained more knowledge of the Earth, universe, et al. So much so that in our arrogance we
(most of us humans in the West) fallaciously think science can tell us all truth. I digress, that does not mean we know that we know how things came about outside of the Creator's own testimony of how things came about. Things have been skewed since the fall so anything we're looking at already has that warped reality to it, but this is one of the problems with taking ideas predominantly espoused by naturalists and then trying to apply it to the Bible which advocates the supernatural.
My argument is that the Jews were given information by God and thus had an accurate view of how the universe came about without the need for the machinations and muses of current trend scientists and philosophers and that staring down your current year, advanced learning, what we know today nose at them is essentially chronological snobbery and an insult to what God told them about reality
And it's not an insult to them in any way. It's just the reality of the time that they lived in. And ever since we discovered that planets were actually planets and not stars, this information has resigned true since it's initial discovery hundreds of years ago. The age of the earth is the same deal.
Again, your statement ignores the reality of the testimony in Scripture that Genesis 1-2, roughly, is not man's testimony, it's God's testimony. So it is not only the Ancient Jews' ideas about the universe in which they lacked the ability to peer through telescopes and measure the revolution of the sun and planets, muse about equations of relativity, light speed, etc. Or an idea proposed through their ignorance since they lacked the ability to dig into the earth and muse about what the layers meant and interpret the time of each layer to come up with and age of the Earth and then write that in the first book of the Bible.
No, God was there, He said "This is how I did this." And Moses wrote it down or God wrote it down and passed it on to Moses, either way it happened, God conveyed the information and it was written down..
It's time to move along and stop hijacking Zachm's topic.
