Explanation for Mark of Beast ....

[DennisTate]

Right at the beginning of this video is an explanation for the Mark of the Beast that I have already heard from two or three near death experiencers.

You are definitely going to want to hear this.

This is related to Trans-humanism and the addition of DNA from other creatures to guarantee people a hundred and twenty years of healthy life but......... there are consequences!

It's Rigged In Your Favor. Ft. Mill Spirit School! Session 3 Part 2- Kevin Zadai

 

[DennisTate]

This sure sounds like what was shown to near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley back in 1975.

Dannion Brinkley:
BOX 12: Technology & Virus

The 11th box was gone & I was into the 12th box. Its visions addressed an important event in the distant future, the decade of the 90's (remember, this was 1975), when many of the great changes would take place. In this box, I watched as a biological engineer from the Middle East found a way to alter DNA & create a biological virus that would be used in the manufacture of computer chips. This discovery allowed for huge strides in science & technology. Japan, China, & other countries of the Pacific Rim experienced boom times as a result of this discovery & became powers of incredible magnitude. Computer chips produced from this process found their way into virtually every form of technology, from cars & airplanes to vacuum cleaners & blenders.

Before the turn of the century, this man was among the richest in the world, so rich that he had a stranglehold on the world economy. Still the world welcomed him, since the computer chips he had designed somehow put the world on an even keel. Gradually, he succumbed to his own power. He began to think of himself as a deity & insisted on greater control of the world. With that extra control, he began to rule the world.

His method of rule was unique. Everyone in the world was mandated by law to have one of his computer chips inserted underneath his or her skin. This chip contained all of an individual's personal information. If a government agency wanted to know something, all it had to do was scan your chip with a special device. By doing so, it could discover everything about you, from where you worked & lived to your medical records & even what kind of illnesses you might get in the future.

There was an even more sinister side to this chip. A person's lifetime could be limited by programming this chip to dissolve & kill him with the viral substance it was made from. Lifetimes were controlled like this to avoid the cost that growing old places on the government. It was also used as a means of eliminating people with chronic illnesses that put a drain on the medical system. People who refused to have chips implanted in their bodies roamed as outcasts. They could not be employed & were denied government services." (Dannion Brinkley, Saved By The Light, chapter 5)

 

[DennisTate]

Here is some more information related to this idea:

Trans Humanism with Tom Horn [The new hymen 2.0]

 

[Shemjaza]

Tom Horn's style of conspiracy theory end times Christianity makes for entertaining science/fantasy... but isn't well supported by evidence or theology.

His videos are both cheerful and entertaining compared the the dire slog of most of conspiracy you tube.

 

[DennisTate]

Tom Horn's style of conspiracy theory end times Christianity makes for entertaining science/fantasy... but isn't well supported by evidence or theology.

His videos are both cheerful and entertaining compared the the dire slog of most of conspiracy you tube.

Not only is a very similar idea to all this put forward in The Book of Enoch but it is even in The Book of Jasher that is also quite ancient.

Book of Jasher, Chapter 4

16 And all the sons of men departed from the ways of the Lord in those days as they multiplied upon the face of the earth with sons and daughters, and they taught one another their evil practices and they continued sinning against the Lord.



17 And every man made unto himself a god, and they robbed and plundered every man his neighbor as well as his relative, and they corrupted the earth, and the earth was filled with violence.



18 And their judges and rulers went to the daughters of men and took their wives by force from their husbands according to their choice, and the sons of men in those days took from the cattle of the earth, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and taught the mixture of animals of one species with the other, in order therewith to provoke the Lord; and God saw the whole earth and it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted its ways upon earth, all men and all animals.



19 And the Lord said, I will blot out man that I created from the face of the earth, yea from man to the birds of the air, together with cattle and beasts that are in the field for I repent that I made them.



20 And all men who walked in the ways of the Lord, died in those days, before the Lord brought the evil upon man which he had declared, for this was from the Lord, that they should not see the evil which the Lord spoke of concerning the sons of men.



21 And Noah found grace in the sight of the Lord, and the Lord chose him and his children to raise up seed from them upon the face of the whole earth.

 

[DennisTate]

....." This question comes down to this...... is The Book of Enoch correct about
angels.... perhaps with UFO technology.... intermarrying with humans before the time of Noah?????"

Correction........ I used the wrong word there........ it was not "angels" who intermarried with the daughters of men... it was "sons of God."

So what is the difference......?????

I am just a janitor at a school so I am hoping that some of the genuine Theologians on this forum might be able to explain the original Hebrew to me......... because I have essentially zero Hebrew!

Genesis 6
"That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

 

[Lost4words]

All comes down to interpretation

 

[Shemjaza]

Not only is a very similar idea to all this put forward in The Book of Enoch but it is even in The Book of Jasher that is also quite ancient.

Book of Jasher, Chapter 4

16 And all the sons of men departed from the ways of the Lord in those days as they multiplied upon the face of the earth with sons and daughters, and they taught one another their evil practices and they continued sinning against the Lord.



17 And every man made unto himself a god, and they robbed and plundered every man his neighbor as well as his relative, and they corrupted the earth, and the earth was filled with violence.



18 And their judges and rulers went to the daughters of men and took their wives by force from their husbands according to their choice, and the sons of men in those days took from the cattle of the earth, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and taught the mixture of animals of one species with the other, in order therewith to provoke the Lord; and God saw the whole earth and it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted its ways upon earth, all men and all animals.



19 And the Lord said, I will blot out man that I created from the face of the earth, yea from man to the birds of the air, together with cattle and beasts that are in the field for I repent that I made them.



20 And all men who walked in the ways of the Lord, died in those days, before the Lord brought the evil upon man which he had declared, for this was from the Lord, that they should not see the evil which the Lord spoke of concerning the sons of men.



21 And Noah found grace in the sight of the Lord, and the Lord chose him and his children to raise up seed from them upon the face of the whole earth.

It was the mix of sci fi and futurist (secular version) with the Book of Enoch that attracted me to end times groups in the first place.

Do you personally think the Book of Enoch is true? (Most Christians think it's pretty heretical).

 

[DennisTate]

It was the mix of sci fi and futurist (secular version) with the Book of Enoch that attracted me to end times groups in the first place.

Do you personally think the Book of Enoch is true? (Most Christians think it's pretty heretical).

Yes...... I do think that the text of the version of The Book of Enoch that is available to us at this time is largely ancient................. very possibly most of it predates the Christian Bible by several centuries or more............. possibly much, much more than even that......... (but I am a janitor at a school who read a lot so obviously I am in no position to be taken very seriously in my opinion........... even though I did begin to study such questions in 1972 when I was only thirteen)!?

 

[SPF]

that I have already heard from two or three near death experiencers.

You should probably do yourself a favor and stop buying into all these near death experiences that cannot be tested against Scripture.

And also, this guy said that "you lose the ability to be redeemed when you're not fully human" So according to this gentleman, when the victim of a severe burning accident has pigskin placed on him, he's no longer redeemable? When a pig cornea is transplanted into a blind man, he's no longer redeemable? And let's not forget the innocent and vulnerable newborn with a defective heart that receives a heart transplant from a pig - we're asserting now that this newborn is doomed for hell because they're not fully human?

And again with the giants... All these near deathers you keep posting all go into the fake giants that have been "found" and magically disappeared..

I'm sorry, but completely uncredible.

 

[SPF]

....." This question comes down to this...... is The Book of Enoch correct about
angels.... perhaps with UFO technology.... intermarrying with humans before the time of Noah?????"

Consider for a minute why the book of Enoch is NOT considered Scripture. It's not reliable, and it's not inspired by the Holy Spirit. Or put another way - a lot of it is more than likely not true.

 

[DennisTate]

You should probably do yourself a favor and stop buying into all these near death experiences that cannot be tested against Scripture.

And also, this guy said that "you lose the ability to be redeemed when you're not fully human" So according to this gentleman, when the victim of a severe burning accident has pigskin placed on him, he's no longer redeemable? When a pig cornea is transplanted into a blind man, he's no longer redeemable? And let's not forget the innocent and vulnerable newborn with a defective heart that receives a heart transplant from a pig - we're asserting now that this newborn is doomed for hell because they're not fully human?

And again with the giants... All these near deathers you keep posting all go into the fake giants that have been "found" and magically disappeared..

I'm sorry, but completely uncredible.

Thank you for commenting but..... these words must come to pass and at this time I can think of no phenomena that is more likely to be the fulfillment of this promise than near death experience accounts where people are meeting Jesus while they flatline.

John 16:
"These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father."


The following testimony is so basic..... so down to earth with the basics of the gospel...... but many of us can't even handle something this simple.

 

[SPF]

Thank you for commenting but..... these words must come to pass and at this time I can think of no phenomena that is more likely to be the fulfillment of this promise than near death experience accounts where people are meeting Jesus while they flatline.

John 16:
"These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father."


The following testimony is so basic..... so down to earth with the basics of the gospel...... but many of us can't even handle something this simple.

Well, as it's an hour long, I certainly can't handle it =]

 

[DennisTate]

Well, as it's an hour long, I certainly can't handle it =]

Your choice... but this can change your life!

You also know people who this could work for them because the simplicity is really impressive.

 

[SPF]

Your choice... but this can change your life!

You also know people who this could work for them because the simplicity is really impressive.

The problem I see is that a lot of your links are to testimonies that contain mutually exclusive information. Scripture doesn't contradict. NDEs contradict each other, and often contradict Scripture. When they aren't contradicting everyone, they're providing extra-biblical, unverifiable information.

The Canon of Scripture is closed (and does not include the book of Enoch), I think you put way too much emphasis and faith in these extra-biblical, contradictory sources.

We can listen to 10 NDEs and hear 10 different ideas about what the mark of the beast is.

 

[DennisTate]

The problem I see is that a lot of your links are to testimonies that contain mutually exclusive information. Scripture doesn't contradict. NDEs contradict each other, and often contradict Scripture. When they aren't contradicting everyone, they're providing extra-biblical, unverifiable information.

The Canon of Scripture is closed (and does not include the book of Enoch), I think you put way too much emphasis and faith in these extra-biblical, contradictory sources.

We can listen to 10 NDEs and hear 10 different ideas about what the mark of the beast is.

One explanation for many, many of those seeming contradictions is the implications of there being eleven or more invisible dimensions of space and time. Dr. George Ritchie was shown four of them in his 1943 brush with death.

Dr. George Ritchie's Near-Death Experience

b. His Guided Tour of the Earthbound Realm with Jesus

The following is the testimony of George Ritchie's tour of the Earthbound Realm: Then Jesus begins to take Ritchie on a journey through various realms of the afterlife. They fly toward a large city on Earth where they notice a group of assembly-line workers at work. They witnesses the spirit of a woman trying desperately to grab a cigarette from the workers who were oblivious to her presence. This woman had died severely addicted to cigarettes and was now cut off from the one thing she desperately desired most.



Ritchie realizes how the spirits in these realms immediately know the thoughts of other spirits around them. This is the reason they tend to group together with other spirits. It is too threatening to be around others who knew and disagreed with their thoughts.



Jesus leads Ritchie to a house somewhere on Earth where he is shown the spirit of a young man following his living family members around and begging them for forgiveness. But the family members are completely unaware of his presence. Jesus tells Ritchie the young man committed suicide and is "chained to every consequence of his act."



They then traveled to a bar somewhere on Earth which was filled with sailors drinking heavily. Spirits surrounded the sailors as they tried desperately, and in vain, to grasp the shot glasses to get a drink. Other spirits tried to control the sailors' alcoholic behavior. Ritchie learns these are the spirits of people who died still having a severe alcoholic addiction which went beyond the physical. He is bewildered as he observes one of the sailors passing out causing the sailor's protective aura surrounding him to crack open. When it does, it allows a spirit to scramble into the sailor's unconscious body. This scene was repeated over and over.

e. His Observations of the Temple of Wisdom

The following is the testimony of George Ritchie's Temple of Wisdom and Heavenly City Experience: They then travel to a completely different realm where some kind of enormous university is located. Spirits dressed as monks busily and happily engaged in some form of artistic behavior or research. An enormous library exists here where all the important books of the universe are assembled. Ritchie asks Jesus if this is heaven. These are the spirits of people who grew beyond selfish desires while on Earth; but, like the spirits in hell, these spirits cannot see Jesus either.

f. His Vision of the Heavenly City

Ritchie is then taken into outer space toward a distant city made of brilliant light - similar in description to the heavenly city in the Book of Revelation (see also Revelation 21:10-27.) This is the place where people go who have become like Jesus while on Earth - a place where love is the dominant focus of life. This is heaven he realizes; but he is not allowed to enter it. Instead, Jesus shows him the future of Earth and is told to return to his physical body. At this point, Ritchie is revived from death.

I've never played three dimensional chess... but that could be a hint at what is really going on.

 

[SPF]

One explanation for many, many of those seeming contradictions is the implications of there being eleven or more invisible dimensions of space and time. Dr. George Ritchie was shown four of them in his 1943 brush with death.

Unless you're asserting that there is a multi-verse and that in one version of heaven X happens and in another version of heaven Y happens, then I would first off say prove the multi-verse, and then I would say once you can't prove the multi-verse and we come back to reality, contradictions mean that either A is wrong, B is wrong, or both are wrong.

And regarding George Ritchie's NDE.. I would say his story is nonsense, and again, you need to walk away and spend more time in Scripture and reading credible people than these contradictory, unsupported, untestable stories.

 

[Rick Otto]

QUOTE="SPF, post:The problem I see is that a lot of your links are to testimonies that contain mutually exclusive information. Scripture doesn't contradict. NDEs contradict each other, and often contradict Scripture. When they aren't contradicting everyone, they're providing extra-biblical, unverifiable information.

The problem with that criticism is that presenting links for discussing theories isn't the same as sharing links to proselytize for a theory. It's a problem you don't adjust for in many of your criticisms which immediately disqualifies them for serious consideration.
And even if that isn't reason enough, your qualification of contradiction is an argument against using the scriptures by many.

The Canon of Scripture is closed (and does not include the book of Enoch), I think you put way too much emphasis and faith in these extra-biblical, contradictory sources.

You are fond of your opinions, I notice.
The Canon of Scripture was created and closed both with arguable legitimacy. I think you put way too much trust in self-appointed officials and question too little what you are told are contradictions.
Ain't it swell to share opinions?

We can listen to 10 NDEs and hear 10 different ideas about what the mark of the beast is.

Yet somehow you dodge considering it may be your lack of ability to perceive continuity of any type that might if only in part, challenge your world view.

 

[Rick Otto]

Consider for a minute why the book of Enoch is NOT considered Scripture. It's not reliable, and it's not inspired by the Holy Spirit. Or put another way - a lot of it is more than likely not true.

Consider for a moment who decided it wasn't scripture and why without assuming their good intent wasn't misdirected.

 

[SPF]

The problem with that criticism is that presenting links for discussing theories isn't the same as sharing links to proselytize for a theory. It's a problem you don't adjust for in many of your criticisms which immediately disqualifies them for serious consideration.

I get that you might not have any education in logic and/or critical thinking, so I’ll try to be clear. When someone presents testimonies to prove a point, when those testimonies contradict each other it becomes difficult to know which, if any, are credible. Especially when they claim extra-biblical, basically gnostic level, untestable information.

You are fond of your opinions, I notice.

Not nearly as you are fond of your own!

The Canon of Scripture was created and closed both with arguable legitimacy. I think you put way too much trust in self-appointed officials and question too little what you are told are contradictions.

Do you deny the validity of Scripture and the Canon as inspired by the Holy Spirit?

Consider for a moment who decided it wasn't scripture and why without assuming their good intent wasn't misdirected.

Again, do you deny the Canon as inspired by the Holy Spirit? Do you think other books should have been included? If so, on what basis have you come to that conclusion?