Who will populate the earth in the 1000 year Reign

[Jamdoc]

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom. Only the born again can see it. Jesus says it is not of this world......etc.

the Millennial Kingdom isn't the Kingdom of Heaven.

 

[Jamdoc]

1 Corinthians 15:50-55 explains, “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption (phthora or decay) inherit incorruption (aphthrsia or unending existence). Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed (allasso), In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed (allasso). For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?”

Mortals are not qualified to inherit the new earth, as they are plagued by the blight of corruption – which is expressly forbidden from the new earth. Sinful mortals (in their corruptible bodies) will not even survive the Lord’s climactic Coming never mind enter the glorified earth. They cannot abide the glorious presence of Christ at His appearing. It would be totally impossible for flesh and blood to inhabit such a glorious setting. Anyway, there will be no more curse on the world, as death will be swallowed up in victory. The bondage of corruption will finally be banished.

As Augustine put it: “And by this universal conflagration the qualities of the corruptible elements which suited our corruptible bodies shall utterly perish, and our substance shall receive such qualities as shall, by a wonderful transmutation, harmonize with our immortal bodies, so that, as the world itself is renewed to some better thing, it is fitly accommodated to men, themselves renewed in their flesh to some better thing” (The City of God, Book XX Chapter 16).

We must note the careful connection between “flesh and blood” and “corruption” (which relates to “this present time”) in comparison to “the kingdom of God” (that appears in all its final glory when “the trumpet shall sound”) and “incorruption.” To secure man’s access to this glorified eternal kingdom, which is inherited alone by the meek (Psalm 37:9-11, 22, Matthew 5:5), “this corruptible must put on incorruption.” This passage, which is speaking of the period immediately following the Coming of Christ, confirms that no element of the fall can access the incorruptible eternal kingdom.

This changeover from “this present evil age” blighted with “the bondage of corruption” to the bliss and splendor of “incorruption” and “the glory which shall be revealed in us” doesn’t happen until the return of Christ. The transition from this temporal evil age to the new perfect eternal age happens at Christ’s return. Scripture show this glorious climatic event will see the glorification of God’s people and the glorification of this earth. The means by which God removes corruption from this earth at the end is by fire. People need to be glorified in order to equip them to populate the new perfected environment.

This reading makes plain, “flesh and blood” or mortal believers cannot inherit a glorified earth that has been purified by fire of every last vestige of the curse.

Interestingly, this Greek word allasso used to describe the glorification of the earth in Hebrews 1:10-12 is also used to describe the glorification of the elect in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52: “Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed (allasso), In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed (allasso).”

For those who try and dilute or delay the complete and instant change that occurs to this earth when Christ comes, they miss the purpose of Christ’s return. He is coming to perfect that which is His. The elect creature and the fallen earth are going to be instantly glorified. It is highly significant that the same word used to describe the complete change in the constitution and form of the current earth from old to new is the exact same word as is used to describe the change of the believer from corruption to incorruption at the second coming.

Luke 20:27-33 records: “Then came to him certain of the Sadducees, which deny that there is any resurrection; and they asked him, Saying, Master, Moses wrote unto us, If any man's brother die, having a wife, and he die without children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. There were therefore seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and died without children. And the second took her to wife, and he died childless. And the third took her; and in like manner the seven also: and they left no children, and died. Last of all the woman died also. Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife.”

Christ replies in Luke 20:34-36: “The children of this world (or aion or age) marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world (or aion or age), and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.”

Luke adds more meat on the bones compared to what Matthew shares in his parallel account. Luke shows Christ rebuking the cunningness of the Sadducees and their attempt to deny a future physical resurrection at His return. In doing this, he also rebukes modern day Preterists, who likewise argue that the resurrection occurred in the past, in AD70.

It is impossible to miss the constant comparison between “this world” and “that world” or “this age” and “that age.” Those who live in this current evil age are described as “the children of this age” but those who are depicted as being “worthy to obtain that age” to come are described exclusively as “the children of God, being the children of the resurrection” and as being “equal unto the angels.” One must be suitably qualified in order inherit the new world to come. Those that are worthy to obtain that age are not mortals and not sinners; they are rather glorified saints – who incidentally never marry or die.

The Lord's coming is at the 6th seal, the rapture, there are 7 trumpets and 7 vials after that describing killing and tormenting people.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Oh, no, no, no! You don't get to say satan uses, "only glorified saints fitted with bodies like Jesus," and then say he doesn't have any power over those saints. That is self-contradictory. That is a logically fatal flaw to the entire eschatology. That is open and direct conflict with God's word.

Fix it.

The new earth is glorified. Only the glorified are suited and qualified to inherit it. Mortality cannot possess it. The wicked cannot possess it. Premil has billions of both polluting the new earth.

 

[sovereigngrace]

the Millennial Kingdom isn't the Kingdom of Heaven.

There's no such thing as a "millennial kingdom." That is a Premillennialist invention. It is the same as the rapture. The name is a Pretrib invention.

 

[DavidPT]

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom.

I don't know why some of you insist this is a good argument? Assuming the thousand years are after the 2nd coming, does it look like in Revelation 20:9---and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them---that any of these end up inheriting the kingdom?

 

[sovereigngrace]

The Lord's coming is at the 6th seal, the rapture, there are 7 trumpets and 7 vials after that describing killing and tormenting people.

You totally ignore my post, yet you put quote it.

 

[DavidPT]

There's no such thing as a "millennial kingdom."

I 100% agree, yet I am Premil.

 

[sovereigngrace]

I don't know why some of you insist this is a good argument? Assuming the thousand years are after the 2nd coming, does it look like in Revelation 20:9---and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them---that any of these end up inheriting the kingdom?

Until you see that Revelation 19 and Revelation 20 are not chronological, you will continue to be confused on this matter.

 

[eleos1954]

Those scriptures aren't even talking about the Millennium. Revelation 12:7-9 is what immediately precedes the Tribulations. All through the old testament Satan has still had access to God, being able to be the accuser. See the book of Job.
Revelation 19 clearly shows that the beast and false prophet are disposed of into Hell, and Revelation 20 clearly shows Satan being chained into the bottomless pit for 1000 years, but then released at the end of it to make war. Your interpretation that the war of Gog and Magog does not happen after the millennium and is a recap of Armageddon doesn't fit scripture, because Satan would be bound during the time of the Antichrist and Tribulations and wrath of God. You'd be saying that the millennium and Christ's kingdom on Earth would be before the tribulations!



There is reason, because Revelation 20 literally says that there is a war at the end of the millennium against Christ. Who's going to fight against Christ and be destroyed by fire from heaven if everyone alive is saved at that point?
Revelation 20:7

END OF THE MILLENNIUM
how can you be more clear than that?

END OF THE MILLENNIUM, then Satan is released and gathers nations of people to go to war against the saints and Jesus.
I don't know how that can be more clear. Some people will fight God but who that is saved would do that?

They get destroyed in the next verse, then Satan is thrown into Hell where the False Prophet and Beast already were (and had been for the last 1000 years)

There is reason, because Revelation 20 literally says that there is a war at the end of the millennium against Christ. Who's going to fight against Christ and be destroyed by fire from heaven if everyone alive is saved at that point?

Yes at the end of the millennium (1,000 years of the saved being in heaven) ... THEN the 2nd resurrection happens ... the resurrection of the wicked
Because the battle of Gog and Magog (Armageddon) happens AFTER the 2nd resurrection. It is the battle against the New Jerusalem that has descended from heaven.

Revelation 20:9

and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to assemble them for battle. Their number is like the sand of the seashore. 9And they marched across the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. But fire came down from heaven and consumed them.

At the end of the 1000 years of Revelation chapter 20 the battle of Armageddon is once again taken up. Satan leads the resurrected wicked in an attack on the holy city, New Jerusalem. Again he and his armies are defeated, and this time eternally destroyed by the fire that falls from heaven. This fire creates a great lake of fire that covers the whole earth and consumes it. Then God creates a new heaven and earth, which becomes the home of His redeemed children. Sin and Satan are eternally destroyed

 

[sovereigngrace]

I don't know why some of you insist this is a good argument? Assuming the thousand years are after the 2nd coming, does it look like in Revelation 20:9---and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them---that any of these end up inheriting the kingdom?

There is no one left to inherit you're supposed feature millennial kingdom. There are all destroyed in Revelation 19. That is because it is a picture of the end of the world. Revelation 20 begins at the first resurrection. It shows Christ defeat in the grave and depicts the blessing and authority that the dead in Christ enjoy because of that.

Revelation 19:11-16 states, “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall shepherd them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

A plain reading of the passage before us reveals that Christ is coming back with wrath to execute judgment and destroy all those left behind. He is not going to reward men for their rebellion by leading them unto the glorified new earth. Neither is Christ coming to engage in some ill-fated war against evil for a thousand years – that is not remotely in the text. The King of kings and Lord of lords will not have to fight for victory. He already won that decisively at the cross.

Christ is seen pouring out His wrath without mixture upon the nations as He smites them in His fury with “a sharp sword” that comes “out of his mouth.” What is the result of this act? It shall “smite the nations” that have missed the catching away. This is what awaits the nations. They are going to be smitten. The word for “smite” in this text is the Greek word patasso, which means to strike with a weapon or to smite fatally. It means to smite down, cut down, to kill, slay.

Let us be clear: He is Coming to smite down the nations, not corral them into some sin-cursed, goat-infested, death-blighted millennial age. It says that “he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.” This is not a pretty sight. This is not loose talk by God. This is not something that the nations should look forward to. What awaits the nations that have rejected Christ is utter destruction and devastation. The nations left behind are totally destroyed. Christ destroys them by the very utterance of His mouth.

The two words interpreted “fierceness” and “wrath” here are thumos and orge which are regularly employed in the New Testament to mean ‘fierceness, indignation, wrath and vengeance’. The word orge carries the additional meaning of ‘violent passion’. Clearly the Lord is not happy with those left behind. Like those left behind in Noah’s day and Sodom they face an awful end, as they receive the reward of their rejection of Christ.

 

[DavidPT]

Until you see that Revelation 19 and Revelation 20 are not chronological, you will continue to be confused on this matter.

Yet other books, such as Daniel 7 prove they are chronological. Why should one ignore what we are told in that book and chapter?

 

[Jamdoc]

The new earth is glorified. Only the glorified are suited and qualified to inherit it. Mortality cannot possess it. The wicked cannot possess it. Premil has billions of both polluting the new earth.

Not the new earth, the same old earth, during the millennium.

 

[DavidPT]

Until you see that Revelation 19 and Revelation 20 are not chronological, you will continue to be confused on this matter.

Daniel 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;


How can this not be meaning during the 42 month reign of the beast in Revelation 13? And if it is meaning that, the fulfillment of Daniel 7:22 is meaning after the 42 month reign of the beast in Revelation 13. How then can Daniel 7:22 not involve the 2nd coming? Which then should give us the timing of Revelation 20:4.


Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


and judgment was given to the saints of the most High(Daniel 7:22)
and judgment was given unto them(Revelation 20:4)


How can these 2 passages not be referring to the same event? Doing an exact phrase search in the KJV for---and judgment was given---this exact phrase only shows up 2 times in the entire Bible, those 2 times being in Daniel 7:22 and Revelation 20:4. That couldn't be just a coincidence. Someone is trying to tell us something here, obviously.

How is this not more than ample proof, that Revelation 20 chronologically follows Revelation 19? Assuming you address this post, instead of doing an already prepared copy and paste as a reply to my post, simply tell me in your own words what you disagree with in my post and why, and what should be the correct understanding instead, the same way I formulate all of my posts in my own words instead of answering others with already pre-prepared copy and pastes.

 

[Jamdoc]

Yes at the end of the millennium (1,000 years of the saved being in heaven) ... THEN the 2nd resurrection happens ... the resurrection of the wicked
Because the battle of Gog and Magog (Armageddon) happens AFTER the 2nd resurrection. It is the battle against the New Jerusalem that has descended from heaven.

Revelation 20:9

and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to assemble them for battle. Their number is like the sand of the seashore. 9And they marched across the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. But fire came down from heaven and consumed them.

At the end of the 1000 years of Revelation chapter 20 the battle of Armageddon is once again taken up. Satan leads the resurrected wicked in an attack on the holy city, New Jerusalem. Again he and his armies are defeated, and this time eternally destroyed by the fire that falls from heaven. This fire creates a great lake of fire that covers the whole earth and consumes it. Then God creates a new heaven and earth, which becomes the home of His redeemed children. Sin and Satan are eternally destroyed

New Jerusalem doesn't come down from Heaven until after the battle of Gog and Magog.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Not the new earth, the same old earth, during the millennium.

So what "new heaven and new earth" are you applying the Isaiah 65 "new heaven and new earth" to?

 

[sovereigngrace]

Daniel 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;


How can this not be meaning during the 42 month reign of the beast in Revelation 13? And if it is meaning that, the fulfillment of Daniel 7:22 is meaning after the 42 month reign of the beast in Revelation 13. How then can Daniel 7:22 not involve the 2nd coming? Which then should give us the timing of Revelation 20:4.


Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


and judgment was given to the saints of the most High(Daniel 7:22)
and judgment was given unto them(Revelation 20:4)


How can these 2 passages not be referring to the same event? Doing an exact phrase search in the KJV for---and judgment was given---this exact phrase only shows up 2 times in the entire Bible, those 2 times being in Daniel 7:22 and Revelation 20:4. That couldn't be just a coincidence. Someone is trying to tell us something here, obviously.

How is this not more than ample proof, that Revelation 20 chronologically follows Revelation 19? Assuming you address this post, instead of doing an already prepared copy and paste as a reply to my post, simply tell me in your own words what you disagree with in my post and why, and what should be the correct understanding instead, the same way I formulate all of my posts in my own words instead of answering others with already pre-prepared copy and pastes.

Amillennialists relate Daniel 7:21-22 to the persecution of the Roman Empire on the early church and the widespread martyrdom that attended that. They correlate that with Revelation 20 and the depicted victory that attends dying in Christ. Amillennialists believe Revelation 20 starts at the first resurrection and shows an ongoing period of victory for the saints over sin, death, the beast and Satan. The saints that survived this awful persecution continued to reign in supernatural power as the kingdom of God invaded the nations. The Gospel could not be stopped. The fire of Revival spread from nation to nation as the Church implemented the great commission. Despite the unprecedented opposition, the heathen Gentile world began to embrace the truth in their millions. As kings and priests the Church carried authority. Revelation 20 depicts even the dead in Christ reign in power and victory. They are shown to possess the kingdom of God and exercise judgement over the kingdom of darkness.

 

[Jamdoc]

So what "new heaven and new earth" are you applying the Isaiah 65 "new heaven and new earth" to?

that I'll admit, is a mystery. But I do believe there will be a physical Millennium, that correlates to the time after expulsion from Eden but before the flood.
If you spiritualize too much you make too much not real and not tangible. You get people believing that we spend eternity in heaven as spirits rather than new bodies made of flesh on a new earth.

 

[sovereigngrace]

that I'll admit, is a mystery. But I do believe there will be a physical Millennium, that correlates to the time after expulsion from Eden but before the flood.
If you spiritualize too much you make too much not real and not tangible. You get people believing that we spend eternity in heaven as spirits rather than new bodies made of flesh on a new earth.

For what purpose?

What Premils locate in their supposed future millennium, the New Testament writers locate in our current intra-Advent period.

 

[Jamdoc]

For what purpose?

What Premils locate in their supposed future millennium, the New Testament writers locate in our current intra-Advent period.

because Christ doesn't rule earth tangibly right now, the church is fractured and we have debates just like this one over doctrine and details and interpretations. 1000 year millennium with a physical return of Christ ruling the world, straightens that all out before eternity.
also, like I've said, it's been way longer than 1000 years, and as another said, 1000 years is specified multiple times, I don't think it's figurative. Just like I believe the 7 years of Daniel's 70th week. We're given the 7 years and its 3.5 year halfway point multiple times, in terms of times, months, and even days.
You start making all of that too intangible and internalized when you start making it all allegorical.

 

[DavidPT]

Amillennialists relate Daniel 7:21-22 to the persecution of the Roman Empire on the early church and the widespread martyrdom that attended that. They correlate that with Revelation 20 and the depicted victory that attends dying in Christ. Amillennialists believe Revelation 20 starts at the first resurrection and shows an ongoing period of victory for the saints over sin, death, the beast and Satan. The saints that survived this awful persecution continued to reign in supernatural power as the kingdom of God invaded the nations. The Gospel could not be stopped. The fire of Revival spread from nation to nation as the Church implemented the great commission. Despite the unprecedented opposition, the heathen Gentile world began to embrace the truth in their millions. As kings and priests the Church carried authority. Revelation 20 depicts even the dead in Christ reign in power and victory. They are shown to possess the kingdom of God and exercise judgement over the kingdom of darkness.

Why is it that in other threads you seemed to be radically opposed to Preterist interpretations of Scriptures, when you are basically doing the same thing with Daniel 7 that Preterists apparently do with it?

Daniel 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

In your view none of this involves Revelation 13 and the final 42 months in this age, correct?


Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

This has to be the interpretation of something earlier mentioned in Daniel 7, obviously.

The only think I can think of would be the following.

Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

You then think the fulfillment of verses 9-12, the interpretation of verse 22, occurred thousands of years ago rather than is future still? What about verse 11, what I have underlined, how does one reasonably demonstrate that that has already been fulfilled in the past?