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The religious Jews of Jerusalem were about to witness the destruction of their temple. Moreover, that ruination would remain in place from its demolition right up until the second coming of the Lord. The desolation of the temple significantly occurred on the wing of 40 years of idolatrous temple sacrifices (exactly a generation)? The statement “there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down” was plainly referring to, and correlating with, the warning He had just made to the religious Jews about the impending destruction of the temple in Jerusalem. It was also a direct reference to Daniel 9.
I think you were on the right track here (posted in this thread - #10). I absolutely agree that the Bible only refers to two ages ("this age" and "the age to come"). The early church was mainly formed in between those periods (the forty years - that generation) so that probably is the source of so much of the confusion. As the author of Hebrews wrote:

Hebrews 8:13 ~ By speaking of a new covenant, He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

In my opinion - this period of transition is a demonstration of God's graciousness and mercy. Even Peter seemed to need to take some time to get past the mental obstacles of viewing what he grew up knowing as "unclean" and things to avoid (even people!) as "made clean" by Christ. He didn't enter the house of a Gentile (and certainly hadn't eaten the food Gentiles ate) until almost 20 years (edited: probably about 7-10 years) after the Cross. The times set aside for "Daniel's people" had long past......but Peter said this around 48-49 37-40 AD (if I'm recalling correctly):

Acts 10:14-15 ~
“No, Lord!” Peter answered. “I have never eaten anything impure d or unclean.” The voice spoke to him a second time: “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

Acts 10:28 ~ And he said to them, "You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a man who is a Jew to associate with a foreigner or to visit him; and yet God has shown me that I should not call any man unholy or unclean.

Acts 10:34-46 ~
Then Peter began to speak: “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism, but welcomes those from every nation who fear Him and do what is right. He has sent this message to the people of Israel, proclaiming the gospel of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.
You yourselves know what has happened throughout Judea, beginning in Galilee with the baptism that John proclaimed: how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with Him. We are witnesses of all that He did, both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem. And although they put Him to death by hanging Him on a tree, God raised Him up on the third day and caused Him to be seen— not by all the people, but by the witnesses God had chosen beforehand, by us who ate and drank with Him after He rose from the dead. And He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that He is the One appointed by God to judge the living and the dead. All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name. While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard his message.…

The Gentiles Receive the Holy Spirit
(Acts 19:1-7)

While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all who heard his message. All the circumcised believers who had accompanied Peter were astounded that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles. For they heard them speaking in tongues and exalting God.
 
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The last days refers to the end of the law of Moses and their end was the beginning of the new covenant.
I think I'd just make one small clarification by saying it this way: "the last days refer to the end of the Law of Moses and their complete end was the fullness of the new covenant". IOW.....it wasn't an immediate cut off......there were prophecies yet to be fulfilled and time still "on the clock"......and the Gentiles had to be brought in to the New Covenant. I've heard it stated that it's like a relay race and the passing of the baton. The original runner with the baton still runs along side the second runner for a while....ensuring they have a good grasp on the baton.
 
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The last days refers to the end of the law of Moses and their end was the beginning of the new covenant. The day Jesus was crucified. If they never ended, then the old covenant didn't either. The authors of the new testament were clear that they believed they lived in those last days and I believe the finality of those last days were consummated at the destruction of the temple. That's why John wrote in his first letter that they lived in the 'last hour.' His evidence for this? Those who were preaching against Christ.

The 'last days' of prophecy were specific to this end and to extend them out to the current time is to claim that they never came to an end

But the last days were still active after the earthly ministry of Christ (generally) and the cross (in particular). Christ's Messianic arrival obviously introduced it. The coming of the kingdom of God correlated with the coming of the king. You cannot have one without the other. Both are indivisible. The kingdom of God occupies the last days period. These relate to the whole intra-Advent period. The beginning of the last days began with the arrival of the king/kingdom. This ushered in the oft-anticipated Messianic era. The Messianic period was viewed from the OT as "the last days." It was the period where Christ would reign over His enemies and the Gospel would go out to the darkened Gentiles. He is still reigning over His enemies and will do until He comes again to finally destroy all rebellion and introduce perfection.
 
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But the last days were still active after the earthly ministry of Christ (generally) and the cross (in particular). Christ's Messianic arrival obviously introduced it. The coming of the kingdom of God correlated with the coming of the king. You cannot have one without the other. Both are indivisible. These in turn related to the whole intra-Advent period. The beginning of the last days began with the arrival of the king/kingdom. This ushered in the oft-anticipated Messianic era. The Messianic period was viewed from the OT as "the last days." It was the period where Christ would reign over His enemies and the Gospel would go out to the darkened Gentiles. He is still reigning over His enemies and will do until He comes again to finally destroy all rebellion and introduce perfection.
What do you call something that's being introduced that wasn't present before? Is that not "something NEW"? You can't have something new without the OLD being moved away. "The coming of the kingdom of God" ("the age to come" to the NT writers - the age we're in presently) ushered in a New Covenant age.....and these 6 manifestations of that kingdom as prophesied by Daniel:

  • 1. To finish the transgression.
    2. To make an end of sin.
    3. To make atonement for iniquity.
    4. to bring in everlasting righteousness.
    5. to seal up vision and prophecy.
    6. to anoint the most holy place.
 
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Even Peter seemed to need to take some time to get past the mental obstacles of viewing what he grew up knowing as "unclean" and things to avoid (even people!) as "made clean" by Christ. He didn't enter the house of a Gentile (and certainly hadn't eaten the food Gentiles ate) until almost 20 years after the Cross. The times set aside for "Daniel's people" had long past......but Peter said this around 48-49 AD (if I'm recalling correctly)

Make that 3½ years after the Cross! 49 AD was waaay after - you must be thinking of the council of Jerusalem, Acts 15.
 
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Make that 3½ years after the Cross! 49 AD was waaay after - you must be thinking of the council of Jerusalem, Acts 15.
Early church records show that the conversion of Cornelius wasn't until 48-40 AD? From what I've read (and I'll check more sources) the Gentile Pentecost - recorded in Acts 10 - is what prompted the council of Jerusalem. The mass in-pouring of the Gentiles left the Church of Jerusalem confused as to how to handle all these uncircumcised believers coming in to the church.
 
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Make that 3½ years after the Cross! 49 AD was waaay after - you must be thinking of the council of Jerusalem, Acts 15.
Bible Hub shows this timeline....with Peter preaching to the Gentiles in 37 AD (which is a lot closer to what you're saying - and, honestly, makes a lot more sense to me). But this timeline also has the stoning of Steven in 31 AD - and that differs from just about everything I've read. I had always wondered why it took such a HUGE amount of time for the Gospel to be brought to the Gentile regions (and maybe it *didn't*):

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Got my Herod's mixed up. Herod Agrippa died AD 44 (Acts 12:21)

The Gentile Pentecost at Cornelius house is recorded in chapter 10, so it happened before Herods death. The book of Acts is written in chronological order.
 
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Bible Hub shows this timeline....with Peter preaching to the Gentiles in 37 AD (which is a lot closer to what you're saying - and, honestly, makes a lot more sense to me). I wondered why it took such a HUGE amount of time for the Gospel to be brought to the Gentile regions:

Acts Bible Timeline

It would put the bringing in of the Gentiles right at the end of the 70th week. Interesting.
 
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Hello claninja,
The 70 weeks prophecy is about People and their holy city...Daniel 9:24, and it is very clear

Jesus (Annointed One)
enable the people fulfilled those things (6 items) God given to be accomplished within the 70 weeks..

I agree with you that Jesus fulfilled All the 6 items, but not for Himself.....it must be also fulfilled in the people and their holy city to be annointed at the end of 70 weeks. ...

So main focus of the 70 weeks prophecy is about people and their holy city

The main focus of Biblical prophecy is Christ. Christ fulfilled the law in the prophets.

Even as you state, you agree Jesus fulfilled all 6 points of Daniel 9:24 at his 1st coming.

Thus the 70 weeks has been fulfilled.
 
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But the last days were still active after the earthly ministry of Christ (generally) and the cross (in particular).

About a generation. Exactly the amount of time he spoke of in Matthew 24 and the other gospels. "This generation."




Christ's Messianic arrival obviously introduced it.

The 'last days' marked Christ's coming to finalize the old covenant and fulfill it. So he arrived at the time of the 'last days.' He didn't introduce the last days, he arrived in those last days.


The coming of the kingdom of God correlated with the coming of the king. You cannot have one without the other. Both are indivisible. The kingdom of God occupies the last days period.

This is your eisegesis. So the NEW thing began near the end of the 'last days'. And in fact God suffered with the Jews for another forty years before he utterly destroyed any possibility they could continue in the old law. The old died forever in AD70. One can't even identify a Levite today because the genealogies were destroyed when the temple was destroyed.



These relate to the whole intra-Advent period. The beginning of the last days began with the arrival of the king/kingdom.

The beginning of the last days arrived when John the baptist came to prepare the ways of the Lord.

This ushered in the oft-anticipated Messianic era. The Messianic period was viewed from the OT as "the last days." It was the period where Christ would reign over His enemies and the Gospel would go out to the darkened Gentiles. He is still reigning over His enemies and will do until He comes again to finally destroy all rebellion and introduce perfection.

The Messianic era (a man-made term) was the NEW days which began what was ended in the 'last days.'

I believe the periods overlap a bit. There was a 40 year grace period where the Jews were given every opportunity to obey the gospel before the old covenant's end was finalized and completed. But the new era technically began when Jesus was crucified and resurrected. And he didn't just conquer Roman authority and power but Jewish authorities and principalities as Paul tells us and as the prophecies tell us. It was the priests who were also overthrown and replaced with a single priest. That prophecy was made way back Exodus and later in Samuel.

The new priesthood began. We're all priests of God and our High Priest is Jesus Christ. A new age that began when he became King.

The gospel had to be preached before the old period could be finally closed. In Collosians we read that the task of preaching to all the nations had been accomplished (Collossians 1:23).
 
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It would put the bringing in of the Gentiles right at the end of the 70th week. Interesting.
Yes - "taking the Gospel" to the Gentiles happened 3 1/2 years after the cross, when the followers of Jesus were scattered due to the persecution that followed the stoning of Steven (recorded in Acts 8). God's prophecies were right on time. Everytime.


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About a generation. Exactly the amount of time he spoke of in Matthew 24 and the other gospels. "This generation."

What is this to do with the last days? Nothing!

The 'last days' marked Christ's coming to finalize the old covenant and fulfill it. So he arrived at the time of the 'last days.' He didn't introduce the last days, he arrived in those last days.

I disagree. Where is your evidence? Give me proof of this.

This is your eisegesis. So the NEW thing began near the end of the 'last days'. And in fact God suffered with the Jews for another forty years before he utterly destroyed any possibility they could continue in the old law. The old died forever in AD70. One can't even identify a Levite today because the genealogies were destroyed when the temple was destroyed.

Christ was the embodiment of the new creation. The new covenant was exactly that, it was a covenant. In fact, it was a blood covenant. It was sealed at the cross through the shedding of Christ’s sinless blood.

The beginning of the last days arrived when John the baptist came to prepare the ways of the Lord.

Same thing! When John introduced Him we saw the inauguration of the last days. These run concurrent with the last days. The language of Messianic fulfilment is written throughout the New Testament pages. John the Baptist introduced Christ in John 1:31, as “he that was to be … made manifest to Israel.” Simeon testified He was the “consolation of Israel” (Luke 2:25). Paul describes Him in Acts 28:20 as “the hope of Israel.” He is the eternal fulfilment of the vision and prophecy.

John the Baptist introduced Christ in John 1:29-30: “Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.”

John the Baptist was familiar with Old Testament prophecy, as that is all he had. He recognized that animal sacrifices were coming to an end because Jesus Christ, the ultimate and perfect sacrifice, had arrived. He was the desire of every true Israelite from the beginning.

Christ’s focus and His mission were to redeem His people. This was central to His Gospel message. He told the disciples in Mark 8:27-31 (paralleling Matthew 16:21 and Luke 9:22): “And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.”

This is why Jesus came. He came to this sinful world on a mission to take away sin. God took on human form and became a man. He came to live the life that man could never live, and pay the debt that man could never pay. He came to take the sinner’s place. He came to live that perfect life and pay that full penalty for sin.

The Messianic era (a man-made term) was the NEW days which began what was ended in the 'last days.'

For your info: Christ means Messiah or anointed one. His arrival fits the description of Messianic era.

I believe the periods overlap a bit. There was a 40 year grace period where the Jews were given every opportunity to obey the gospel before the old covenant's end was finalized and completed. But the new era technically began when Jesus was crucified and resurrected. And he didn't just conquer Roman authority and power but Jewish authorities and principalities as Paul tells us and as the prophecies tell us. It was the priests who were also overthrown and replaced with a single priest. That prophecy was made way back Exodus and later in Samuel.

The new priesthood began. We're all priests of God and our High Priest is Jesus Christ. A new age that began when he became King.

The gospel had to be preached before the old period could be finally closed. In Collosians we read that the task of preaching to all the nations had been accomplished (Collossians 1:23).

He was the fulfilment. He was the reality, He was the substance. All that they signified is of or in Christ. That is all the OT sacrifice serve as in Scripture: pointers to Christ and His new everlasting covenant. They have been rendered redundant. When Christ said "it is finished" that was the end of the old covenant arrangement.

John 19:28-30 reveals the moment when Christ fulfilled the old covenant and introduced the new: “Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst. Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth. When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.” Matthew’s version in Matthew 27:50-51 tells us: “Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent.”

This is all before AD70! The Preterist obsession with the coming of Titus and AD70 is therefore wrong.

God was sending out a message to Israel that the old arrangement had been perfectly fulfilled right down to the very letter by His only begotten Son. God’s elaborate ceremonial atonement program was now complete. Christ was confirming that the old Judaic sacrifice system had been made redundant through the cross. The ripping of the curtain in two rendered the physical temple and their existing sacrifices forever worthless and pointless. But God being a God of grace, gave them 40 years to extract themselves from the old covenant ritualistic system before He tore it down and destroyed it forever.

Hebrews 8:7-8 explains, “For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.”

This is before AD70! The Preterist obsession with the coming of Titus and AD70 is therefore wrong.

Christ came to replace the broken Sinai covenant with a new covenant that could never be broken. The old covenant was faulty and defective. The enlightened believer will know: anything holy that is dependent upon sinful man fulfilling it is doomed to failure. The Old Hebrew code had many limitations. It therefore had to be replaced. Those who advocate its current or future usefulness fight with repeated New Testament Scripture.

Scripture describes the old covenant sacrificial system as “that which is done away” (2 Corinthians 3:11) and “that which is abolished” (2 Corinthians 3:13). It makes clear: “the old testament … vail is done away in Christ” (2 Corinthians 3:14). Hebrews 10:9 confirms: “He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.”

This is all before AD70! The Preterist obsession with the coming of Titus and AD70 is therefore wrong.

Paul the Apostle addresses this in Galatians 4:9-10, asking, “now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.”

This is before AD70! The Preterist obsession with the coming of Titus and AD70 is therefore wrong.

The New Testament writer is referring here to the old covenant ceremonial calendar. His contention is simple: why would a liberated Christian want to go back to the old elaborate abolished Jewish arrangement? This phrase “days, and months, and times, and years” refers to the many holy days, feasts and festivals that Israel had to carefully observe until Jesus died on the cross. All of these were a heavy bondage upon them. Paul despaired because some believers were looking back to the bondage of the old that was gone. This is in such contrast to the freedom that comes in Christ.

The phrase “ye observe” is one Greek word paratēreō meaning you ‘assiduously observe’ or you ‘painstakingly observe’. The word translated “weak” here (asthenes) means ‘strengthless or impotent’. The word interpreted “beggarly” in this passage (ptochos) relates to ‘the condition of a pauper’. It is derived from the original word ptoeo meaning ‘fallen or flown away’. The word “bondage,” which relates to the old Judaic system, is the word douleuo, meaning ‘to be a slave’.

As we piece these original Greek words together, we start to get a real sense of how the New Testament viewed the whole Old Testament ceremonial law. The old covenant ritualistic system has been stopped because it is expressly ‘impotent, impoverished and slavish’. The old covenant could not remove sin. It could never eradicate a guilty conscious. It was destitute. It has fallen and flown away. It has been rendered redundant. It is out-of-date! It has no ongoing purpose in the plan of God because of its weakness. It could never secure eternal salvation because it was not an eternal covenant. It had a finishing point. The coming in of the new perfect covenant removed the old imperfect system. When Christ came, He introduced “the everlasting covenant,” thus making the old temporal system useless. The shadow simply pointed to the substance.

Colossians 2:14 plainly declares, speaking of these Old Testament ordinances and what happened at Calvary: “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.”

This is before AD70! The Preterist obsession with the coming of Titus and AD70 is therefore wrong.

Albert Barnes explains: “The word rendered handwriting means something written by the hand, a manuscript; and here, probably, the writings of the Mosaic law, or the law appointing many ordinances or observances in religion.”

The Greek word for “blotting out” here is exaleiphō meaning: ‘to wipe off, wipe away, to obliterate, erase, wipe out, blot out’

Q. When did/will the “blotting out the handwriting of ordinances” occur?
A. Christ “took it out of the way” by “nailing it to his cross.”

Ephesians 2:12, 19, 3:6: “For he [Christ] is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby.”

This is before AD70! The Preterist obsession with the coming of Titus and AD70 is therefore wrong.

The cross specifically invalidated “the law of commandments in ordinances.” According to Thayer’s Definition, this phrase interpreted “having abolished” (katargeō) means ‘to render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative’. It implies: ‘to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency’. It signifies ‘to deprive of force, influence, power’. It indicates ‘to cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish’. It suggests ‘to cease, to pass away, be done away’.

We see the destructive power the blood of Jesus had on the old covenant ceremonial system. Christ’s death was the finish for the old arrangement, because it was unnecessary.

Paul ties up his reasoning in Colossians 2:20-22, summing up the new covenant freedom: “Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why … are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men?”

This is before AD70! The Preterist obsession with the coming of Titus and AD70 is therefore wrong.

The phrase “are ye subject to ordinances” is interpreted from the lone Greek word dogmatizo, which literally means to submit to ceremonial rule. Christianity took us completely away from the bondage of the old Mosaic ceremonial law. These festivals were filled with numerous ordinances and blood sacrifices that had to be stringently observed. Speaking of these impotent religious ordinances, Scriptures counsels: “Touch not; taste not; handle not.”

The old covenant was merely “a shadow of good things to come” (Hebrews 10:1). Hebrews 9:24 describes them as, “figures of the true.” On the other hand, the new covenant is “the very image” (Hebrews 10:1), it is “a better and an enduring substance” (Hebrews 10:34).

Hebrews 10:1-2 confirms that the ceremonial law served only as a forward pointer. Its rites, traditions and ceremonies were time-limited. They were never designed to be a backward remembrance of Christ’s perfect sacrifice on the cross, in some imaginary future millennium, as Premillennialists propose. It was merely a shadow that was aiming toward the impending arrival of the final sacrifice for sin.

This is all before AD70! The Preterist obsession with the coming of Titus and AD70 is therefore wrong.
 
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What is this to do with the last days? Nothing!

Have you not read that in the last days the temple will be 'rebuilt'? Jesus says that the physical temple will be destroyed and that it will happen within 40 years in Matthew 24 and other places. He's not talking about his second coming there. He's talking about the end of the age. And the end of the age is not the 'Last Day.' He said that ALL of the thing he said would take place before that generation passed. So we know he couldn't have been talking about the end of the world.

I disagree. Where is your evidence? Give me proof of this.

Seriously? You don't see the prophecies of the 'last days' as talking about Christ?


Same thing! When John introduced Him we saw the inauguration of the last days. These run concurrent with the last days.

The last days were the days in which the prophecies were telling people the events would take place. The proof that they were in the last days were that the prophecies were coming to pass. So they were the marking of an end. Hence the term 'last days.' They marked an end of an age.





John the Baptist was familiar with Old Testament prophecy, as that is all he had. He recognized that animal sacrifices were coming to an end because Jesus Christ, the ultimate and perfect sacrifice, had arrived. He was the desire of every true Israelite from the beginning.

So, he recognized that he lived in the last days, the ending of the old era.

Christ’s focus and His mission were to redeem His people. This was central to His Gospel message. He

For your info: Christ means Messiah or anointed one. His arrival fits the description of Messianic era.

You felt you had to be pedantic here because?

He was the fulfilment. He was the reality, He was the substance. All that they signified is of or in Christ. That is all the OT sacrifice serve as in Scripture: pointers to Christ and His new everlasting covenant. They have been rendered redundant. When Christ said "it is finished" that was the end of the old covenant arrangement.

Look at you acknowledging the end of something here. What are the last days except the period when the old something ended?

John 19:28-30 reveals the moment when Christ fulfilled the old covenant and introduced the new: “Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst. Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth. When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.” Matthew’s version in Matthew 27:50-51 tells us: “Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent.”


So the old covenant was nailed to the cross in the 'last days.'

This is all before AD70! The Preterist obsession with the coming of Titus and AD70 is therefore wrong.

AD 70 just marks the end of the grace period. I don't know what a preterist is and I don't care to know. Another man-made epithet and doctrine for those who like to associate themselves with man-made labels.

God was sending out a message to Israel that the old arrangement had been perfectly fulfilled right down to the very letter by His only begotten Son. God’s elaborate ceremonial atonement program was now complete. Christ was confirming that the old Judaic sacrifice system had been made redundant through the cross. The ripping of the curtain in two rendered the physical temple and their existing sacrifices forever worthless and pointless. But God being a God of grace, gave them 40 years to extract themselves from the old covenant ritualistic system before He tore it down and destroyed it forever.

Exactly correct in my opinion.

This is before AD70! The Preterist obsession with the coming of Titus and AD70 is therefore wrong.

You felt the need to repeat this because?

Christ came to replace the broken Sinai covenant with a new covenant that could never be broken. The old covenant was faulty and defective. The enlightened believer will know: anything holy that is dependent upon sinful man fulfilling it is doomed to failure. The Old Hebrew code had many limitations. It therefore had to be replaced. Those who advocate its current or future usefulness fight with repeated New Testament Scripture.

Agreed.

Scripture describes the old covenant sacrificial system as “that which is done away” (2 Corinthians 3:11) and “that which is abolished” (2 Corinthians 3:13). It makes clear: “the old testament … vail is done away in Christ” (2 Corinthians 3:14). Hebrews 10:9 confirms: “He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.”


Again, agreed.

This is all before AD70! The Preterist obsession with the coming of Titus and AD70 is therefore wrong.

You keep repeating this as if it is relevant to what I'm saying. You do realize, all you're doing is making yourself look foolish?

Paul the Apostle addresses this in Galatians 4:9-10, asking, “now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.”

This is before AD70! The Preterist obsession with the coming of Titus and AD70 is therefore wrong.

And again.... and then more stuff we agree on. This is beginning to look like an attempt to change the subject. I don't think you've actually been reading my responses given that you keep posting things about which we agree. Why?
 
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AD 70 just marks the end of the grace period.
I like the term "grace period" and I think it's really applicable. It's sort of like how King David was anointed as a young boy - but didn't actually sit on the throne until years later.
 
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I like the term "grace period" and I think it's really applicable. It's sort of like how King David was anointed as a young boy - but didn't actually sit on the throne until years later.

Yes, and while he was anointed, he showed perfect respect and grace towards the king he was replacing. It's a great parallel.
 
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