False gospels do not require you to overcome sin

[A_Thinker]

1. "sinlessness is not possible." Why isn't it possible when that is what Jesus came to achieve in us?

Jesus came to restore the relationship between God and men.

Better sin management by the redeemed is a by-product.

 

[A_Thinker]

Another falsehood. You're on a roll.

It is an ad hominem. It, frequently, pops up when one's arguments are lacking ...

 

[A_Thinker]

My cousin got deceived by the fake gospel
regarding his sin
I tried to redirect him to no avail
he was recently sent to prison.

Probably not an easy destination
for a 64 year old man
but, sin can take one there
very fast at times.

Don't play with sin
don't let it in
if sin has been sent
time to Repent.

M-Bob

The gospel has never been that God will remove from you the earthly consequences of your actions ...

 

[A_Thinker]

Sinless perfection is also a "false gospel".

I have no dispute with anyone striving to live a sinless life ... but to think that one may achieve and/or maintain relationship with God by doing so ... is an erroneous understanding of the gospel.

 

[A_Thinker]

... I've seen newly born again Christian's lives change overnight by the power of the Holy Spirit, and the desire to sin is gone.

What of the sin of pride ???

 

[A_Thinker]

The false gospel denies this power, and says we will always sin.

The true gospel says that "if we sin ... we have an Advocate".

 

[A_Thinker]

Do you want to sin? You are taking it for granted. That is denying the power of the Holy Spirit.

First let's see if we are on the same page about sin. There are two kinds. Are you talking about willful sinning - knowing it is wrong and doing it anyway, such as not honoring your parents, stealing, lying, murder, coveting the riches of this world and your neighbor? Or are you talking about the unintentional sins of imperfection?

God tells us that "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness".

God doesn't make a distinction between our sins. He will forgive them all.

And I note that the quoted scriptural passage says that God is JUST to forgive our sins. That makes sense, since Jesus has already paid for them ...

 

[A_Thinker]

I humbly ask, are you sinless?

I'll check for your answers later.

Why do you shy away from this question ?

 

[A_Thinker]

Prove it's a False Gospel.

Paul says that salvation (neither the obtaining or the keeping) ... is through any works which we may do ... but according to His mercy ...

Titus 3

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

 

[A_Thinker]

It was satan who told Eve that it was ok to eat from the tree of knowledge. He said to her surely you will not die. I see the same coming from some Christian groups who advocate a belief only salvation. Jesus said in Matthew 7 He who hears my words and ACTS on them is like the wise man who built his house on the rock. When the storms come it will not collapse.

What you're missing in your teaching is that Jesus here is referring the BASIS of your salvation (i.e. what you BUILD upon) ....

The basis of salvation is FAITH, ... not WORKS.

Surely you would agree that basing our salvation upon Christ, the ROCK, ... is wiser than attempting to base our salvation upon the shifting sand of our ability to keep God's word, wouldn't you ?

 

[A_Thinker]

Only 12 during the outpouring. The 120 were another time and place.

There were 50 in the upper room ... no ???

 

[CharismaticLady]

Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. They were believers See Hebrews 11.

Faithfulness is a fruit of the Spirit.

 

[CharismaticLady]

The true gospel says that "if we sin ... we have an Advocate".

The problem with this statement is it doesn't say what type of sin. Jesus is NOT our Advocate for willful sins. If you notice, no repentance is required, so what kind would that be?

 

[CharismaticLady]

What of the sin of pride ???

What has that to do with my post? What about the sin of unbelief?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Why do you shy away from this question ?

She stopped the dialog, so it is mute now.

 

[A_Thinker]

The problem with this statement is it doesn't say what type of sin. Jesus is NOT our Advocate for willful sins. If you notice, no repentance is required, so what kind would that be?

So you're saying that the scripture is inadequate here ?

You feel that you have the freedom to insert wording to specify type of sin ... into God's word ?

IOW ... you claim God didn't adequately specify the type of sin here, ... but this is what He meant ???

 

[A_Thinker]

She stopped the dialog, so it is mute now.

Not really ... it is a cop-out ...

 

[A_Thinker]

What has that to do with my post? What about the sin of unbelief?

What of the sin of coveting ?

 

[Rebecca4Christ]

The problem with this statement is it doesn't say what type of sin. Jesus is NOT our Advocate for willful sins. If you notice, no repentance is required, so what kind would that be?

So willful sins are unpardonable? No Advocate,no forgiveness? Even after a person would truly repent?
And where is this scripture that says there is no repentance required?

 

[friend of]

What does everyone think about what Galatians 3:3 has to say on the subject?