Conservative commits suicide following backlash for harassing a drag queen

[Larniavc]

I'm confused, this guy was a member if the "Liberal" National Club. That doesn't sound like a conservative club, ???
No matter what group, people who commit suicide usually act on their own, led by Satan, and can not be faithful to God, since that would be like saying to God, "I don't trust you with how my life is going, or whatever lessons I'm supposed to be learning, or that you are punishing me, so Ill end my life" Suicide is a lack of faith in God. It is a sin, "You shall not murder!" God gives life and he takes it away. It is not for us to decide.
And btw, it is the responsibility of parents to guide their children and in this generation, they are being misguided. Society has grown more liberal, allowing all sorts of behavior. Morality has been degraded. What was once taboo, has turned into a celebration, parading down the streets. People are confused about what sex they are and society accepts that they can change it.
Some Christians are learned and mature, some are not. Even non religious folks for thousands of years knew what was natural and unnatural, that male and female were purposed to join, be fruitful and multiply, and this applies to all life forms. This was God's purpose, this was His creation.
We need to hold unto God's righteousness and become Christ-like. We need to pray for others, not attack them, yet separate ourselves from evil. Evil is spreading , but so is good and the two will soon separate upon His return. He is sovereign - don't worry.

So would you say this guy is in Hell?

 

[Sistrin]

I'm not sure what you are asking.

By default your OP was in part about Drag Queen Story Time, an event which you describe in this manner, quote:

"where a drag queen was reading a story to children."

with the tone of the remainder of the OP suggesting the only people at fault here, or to blame for any negative outcome, were the Conservatives and/or "the religious" who attempted to protest.

I disagree. Not only with that premise but the hidden agenda that we should live in a morally ambivalent society where regardless of what behavior a Christian should encounter we as Christians should just be tolerant, shut up, and move on.

My question was not meant to address the "love thy neighbor" philosophy. It was meant as an attempt to determine if there existed any aberrant behavior you might encounter which would cause you to pause, question your philosophy, and subsequently adopt the stance what I am encountering here isn't right and I must speak out against such behavior; as opposed to maintaining the default position of automatically defending, ignoring, or sanctioning such behavior by faulting Christianity and "the religious."

Earlier I made the point that Drag Queen Story Time has nothing to do with promoting education, reading, or the love of books. It has everything to do with promoting Drag Queens and indoctrinating children into accepting and/or embracing the deviant life-style they as Drag Queens have chosen to live. Such a tactic is standard leftist fare worldwide and certainly isn't limited to the twisted ideology of Drag Queens.

Suppose someone wanted to host a "Pedophile Story Time" at a public library? Would Christians and/or the religious be expected, according to your philosophy, to simply play along?

Drag Queen Storytime: Convicted pedophile, dressed as a woman, reads to kids at public library

"HOUSTON, Texas, March 19, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – A pro-family activist group has uncovered the truth about the pedophile past of a drag queen who reads to young children at a public library’s “Drag Queen Storytime.”

Thirty-two-year-old Albert Garza is a registered sex offender who was convicted of assaulting an eight-year-old boy in 2008, yet that has not hindered him from dressing in garish women’s clothing, calling himself “Tatiana Mala Nina,” and performing in front of kids."

Answer honestly, is this really who you want reading stories to five to eight year old kids in your city or town?

Then there is this:

Favorite Drag Queen Storytime Author ‘Likes’ Pedophile Instagram Post

"A children’s author, whose books are frequently read at Drag Queen Story Hour’s across the country, was caught “liking” an Instagram picture posted by a proud pedophile.

A screenshot shows kid’s author Todd Barnes liked an image of a triangle spiral tattoo, which is a symbol for a “boy lover.”

Again, the tone and structure of your OP suggest you believe any opposition to such behavior on the part of Drag Queens, Pedophiles, Child Molesters, or those promoting hedonistic or offensive agendas should be just all be tolerated because, you know, "the religious" haven't been properly counselled on how to just shut up and embrace on a Kumbaya basis those who practice such wickedness.

Therefore I ask again, is there any behavior or ideology you could encounter which might cause you to question your position as stated, to just 'universally love' everyone, regardless of what behavior they engage in?

Oh, wait...

Christianity chooses to separate the two so that you have an entity of Good - ie God - and an entity of Bad ie Satan. He argued, how can you have a governing force, that doesn't affect both good and bad.

How can you not? Good and bad, right and wrong, good and evil, are universal concepts. Man is structured to gravitate toward one or the other. Man is not structured to embrace both as part of some idiotic pursuit of universal tolerance. Moral Relativism, better knows as the guiding principal of Atheism, is destructive in that is sets no standard for anyone to live by beyond what they as an individual may deem good or evil, right or wrong. You want to destroy a civilized society, go down that road.

And just for emphasis:

Second ‘Drag Queen Story Hour’ Reader Exposed As A Pedophile

"The pedophile who was involved with the reading of LGBT books to young children during public library events known as “Drag Queen Story Hour”, was outed as a convicted sex offender and pedophile, as well as a “transgender prostitute.”

And, this is not the first such incidence….back in March the Houston Public Library was forced to apologize to parents after a man who had volunteered to read to children during the DQSH also turned out to be a registered child sex offender.

Why would anyone subject their our children to these deviants?"

Good question. Why indeed?

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Because a few years ago, the ruling classes of the Western countries decided that transsexuals were “oppressed” and therefore the rest of us should listen to anything they say...

 

[raindog75]

Again, the tone and structure of your OP suggest you believe any opposition to such behavior on the part of Drag Queens, Pedophiles, Child Molesters, or those promoting hedonistic or offensive agendas should be just all be tolerated because, you know, "the religious" haven't been properly counselled on how to just shut up and embrace on a Kumbaya basis those who practice such wickedness.

Well, there ya have it. I guess if you don't loudly condemn Drag Queen Story Hour, you're pro-pedophilia. 'Cuz we all know there's no other group out there other than drag queens that you can find anecdotal news stories about a member or members having engaged in sexual abuse. I'm fairly new here, but I'd suggest that if this thread is going to devolve into casting aspersions that a participant tolerates/sympathizes with pedophilia due to a difference of opinion on the Story Hour, perhaps the thread should be closed or reported.

 

[Sistrin]

Well, there ya have it.

From the OP, quote:

"Are those of religious persuasion, being adequately educated on how to "Sell" there religious message. How well are they being counselled."

How well are they (meaning the aforementioned religious) being counselled (meaning how are they being instructed).

You identify as Christian. Please explain to us where Christian doctrine demands we as Christians are to embrace or ignore, and even expose our children to, deviant behavior just to ensure we do not "cause disharmony."

 

[raindog75]

You identify as Christian. Please explain to us where Christian doctrine demands we as Christians are to embrace or ignore, and even expose our children to, deviant behavior just to ensure we do not "cause disharmony."

I have no idea what that has to do with my post. My post was in regards to you suggesting that Zoii favors tolerating pedophilia because of her post about Drag Queen Story Hour. Nowhere has she said or suggested anything of the sort. I suggest that your points would be better made without resorting to slandering someone who takes a different position.

 

[FireDragon76]

Because a few years ago, the ruling classes of the Western countries decided that transsexuals were “oppressed” and therefore the rest of us should listen to anything they say...

Drag queens are actors, not transsexuals.

 

[Sistrin]

I have no idea what that has to do with my post. My post was in regards to you suggesting that Zoii favors tolerating pedophilia because of her post about Drag Queen Story Hour. Nowhere has she said or suggested anything of the sort. I suggest that your points would be better made without resorting to slandering someone who takes a different position.

You should read the OP, then look up the definition of the term 'suggest'.

 

[Quartermaine]

I hurts the homosexuals, no doubt.

“Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and person hood." Concetta Scott King

 

[Zoii]

By default your OP was in part about Drag Queen Story Time, an event which you describe in this manner, quote:

"where a drag queen was reading a story to children."

with the tone of the remainder of the OP suggesting the only people at fault here, or to blame for any negative outcome, were the Conservatives and/or "the religious" who attempted to protest.

I disagree. Not only with that premise but the hidden agenda that we should live in a morally ambivalent society where regardless of what behavior a Christian should encounter we as Christians should just be tolerant, shut up, and move on.

My question was not meant to address the "love thy neighbor" philosophy. It was meant as an attempt to determine if there existed any aberrant behavior you might encounter which would cause you to pause, question your philosophy, and subsequently adopt the stance what I am encountering here isn't right and I must speak out against such behavior; as opposed to maintaining the default position of automatically defending, ignoring, or sanctioning such behavior by faulting Christianity and "the religious."

Earlier I made the point that Drag Queen Story Time has nothing to do with promoting education, reading, or the love of books. It has everything to do with promoting Drag Queens and indoctrinating children into accepting and/or embracing the deviant life-style they as Drag Queens have chosen to live. Such a tactic is standard leftist fare worldwide and certainly isn't limited to the twisted ideology of Drag Queens.

Suppose someone wanted to host a "Pedophile Story Time" at a public library? Would Christians and/or the religious be expected, according to your philosophy, to simply play along?

Drag Queen Storytime: Convicted pedophile, dressed as a woman, reads to kids at public library

"HOUSTON, Texas, March 19, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – A pro-family activist group has uncovered the truth about the pedophile past of a drag queen who reads to young children at a public library’s “Drag Queen Storytime.”

Thirty-two-year-old Albert Garza is a registered sex offender who was convicted of assaulting an eight-year-old boy in 2008, yet that has not hindered him from dressing in garish women’s clothing, calling himself “Tatiana Mala Nina,” and performing in front of kids."

Answer honestly, is this really who you want reading stories to five to eight year old kids in your city or town?

Then there is this:

Favorite Drag Queen Storytime Author ‘Likes’ Pedophile Instagram Post

"A children’s author, whose books are frequently read at Drag Queen Story Hour’s across the country, was caught “liking” an Instagram picture posted by a proud pedophile.

A screenshot shows kid’s author Todd Barnes liked an image of a triangle spiral tattoo, which is a symbol for a “boy lover.”

Again, the tone and structure of your OP suggest you believe any opposition to such behavior on the part of Drag Queens, Pedophiles, Child Molesters, or those promoting hedonistic or offensive agendas should be just all be tolerated because, you know, "the religious" haven't been properly counselled on how to just shut up and embrace on a Kumbaya basis those who practice such wickedness.

Therefore I ask again, is there any behavior or ideology you could encounter which might cause you to question your position as stated, to just 'universally love' everyone, regardless of what behavior they engage in?

Oh, wait...



How can you not? Good and bad, right and wrong, good and evil, are universal concepts. Man is structured to gravitate toward one or the other. Man is not structured to embrace both as part of some idiotic pursuit of universal tolerance. Moral Relativism, better knows as the guiding principal of Atheism, is destructive in that is sets no standard for anyone to live by beyond what they as an individual may deem good or evil, right or wrong. You want to destroy a civilized society, go down that road.

And just for emphasis:

Second ‘Drag Queen Story Hour’ Reader Exposed As A Pedophile

"The pedophile who was involved with the reading of LGBT books to young children during public library events known as “Drag Queen Story Hour”, was outed as a convicted sex offender and pedophile, as well as a “transgender prostitute.”

And, this is not the first such incidence….back in March the Houston Public Library was forced to apologize to parents after a man who had volunteered to read to children during the DQSH also turned out to be a registered child sex offender.

Why would anyone subject their our children to these deviants?"

Good question. Why indeed?

I'm impressed you put the effort into your answer, but there's a few issues with your post.

Firstly, I went to some trouble to NOT turn this into a debate about homosexuality/transgenderism. People (whether christian or non-christian) have well established views and that's why I clearly stated to not debate it. Everyone udnerstands each others views on this topic. But you have done your level best to tell me all the reasons why you should ignore the OP and voice the very thing this OP is NOT about

As I've mentioned frequently here - This OP is about how religious groups can better sell their message - You chose to ignore that in favour of grabbing a soapbox to, yet again, decry homosexuality. Don't get me wrong, your view is fair enough - this is a christian site - but there's many threads where you can do that. The specific example provided was purely to provide a background example of how things turned out badly for all concerned - was there a better way.

So please stick to the OP - Im not going to allow you or anyone else to go off topic unchallenged and turn this into a sexual or political debate.

Secondly - You google the net in attempt to make a correlation between Transgenerism and paedophilia, and cited an example where a symbol was "liked" on social media. I'm sure youre intelligent enough to know your logic is false - If you were ethical and consistent in your argument, you would have found that more then 10000 percent greater numbers of straight/non-trans men who were paedophiles; using your logic you'd say all pastors are paedophiles .... or all men are paedophiles. - its easy to google paedophile demographics and I'm sure you know this - which indicates to me that your misleading argument is wilful in order to boost your false unfounded argument that - A drag Queen reading to kids = paedophile. Thats a very unethical argument - and you know it.

You have good writing skills - Please - I can tell you are intelligent - why not return to the OP and argue - was there a better way to achieve the group's ends - OR (as some are validly raising) is blockade/protest indeed a right way to go about things in some circumstances. So Please - leave out the other rhetoric - that stuff can be discussed in other threads and not what this one is about.

 

[Kenny'sID]

“Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and person hood." Concetta Scott King

No, it's not, there is no biblical reference to God thinking any race is an abomination. Big difference.

Now, what do we call it when someone calls a huge Chunk of the Christians Neo-Fundamentalist (and a bunch of other names, you'll need to go back and check out) and for no other reason than they are guilty of believing what God does? That certain things like Homosexuality is a major sin unto death. If you do not believe in God, you are just going to have to understand this is a Christian site where some of us are not going to sit idly by and let someone believe the illusions they have created for themselves so they can have their cake and eat it too, whoever they may be.

And I get that this is always a fabulous opportunity for the Atheist to jump in with the "Christians bad" routine, happens every time, but to us, it's just the opposite. So like it or not, there ya go...reality, like it or not. And your reality that it's not a problem is duly noted.

 

[Zoii]

No, it's not, there is no biblical reference to God thinking any race is an abomination. Big difference.

Now, what do we call it when someone calls a huge Chunk of the Christians Neo-Fundamentalist (and a bunch of other names, you'll need to go back and check out) and for no other reason than they are guilty of is believing what God does? That certain things like Homosexuality is a major sin unto death. If you do not believe in God, you are just going to have to realize this is a Christian site where some of us are not going to sit idly by and let someone believe the illusions they have created for themselves so they can have their cake and eat it too, whoever they may be.

And I get that this is always a fabulous opportunity for the Atheist to jump in with the "Christians bad" routine, happens every time, but to us, it's just the opposite. So like it or not, there ya go...reality, like it or not. And your reality that it's not a problem is duly noted.

Kenny
I said right at the beginning, that everyone is already familiar with their position re homosexuality. Its why I spent time explaining not to make it part of the debate - and I went to that length because the example I used had a homosexual and a drag queen (unaware of their sexual leaning)

Try to get back on track in this thread.

So lets all agree that as Christians and/or conservative that drag queens and gays are immoral. (for those disagreeing - resist saying so - please). My question to you is - They chose a tactic to blockade - ie chanting over the top of the process and confronting the reader. You can argue - well good tactic - it stops the reading - job done - but what is the longer term affects of that act. We know ultimately that every single person caught up in it had bad outcomes -

Kenny can you see where I was hoping this discussion would go. Its more about protest skills, communication skills, change management processes. Its not a Left v Right or Gay Good v Gay bad discussion - so Please.....

 

[FireDragon76]

No, it's not, there is no biblical reference to God thinking any race is an abomination. Big difference.

Now, what do we call it when someone calls a huge Chunk of the Christians Neo-Fundamentalist (and a bunch of other names, you'll need to go back and check out) and for no other reason than they are guilty of believing what God does?

It's debatable if "neo-fundamentalists" are a "huge chunk" of Christians. There are a billion Catholics worldwide, and about 400 million liberal Protestants. Many of those don't share your views of gay people.

 

[FireDragon76]

Kenny
I said right at the beginning, that everyone is already familiar with their position re homosexuality. Its why I spent time explaining not to make it part of the debate - and I went to that length because the example I used had a homosexual and a drag queen (unaware of their sexual leaning)

Try to get back on track in this thread.

So lets all agree that as Christians and/or conservative that drag queens and gays are immoral. (for those disagreeing - resist saying so - please). My question to you is - They chose a tactic to blockade - ie chanting over the top of the process and confronting the reader. You can argue - well good tactic - it stops the reading - job done - but what is the longer term affects of that act. We know ultimately that every single person caught up in it had bad outcomes -

Kenny can you see where I was hoping this discussion would go. Its more about protest skills, communication skills, change management processes. Its not a Left v Right or Gay Good v Gay bad discussion - so Please.....

Zoii, I am afraid you are tilting at windmills. You're talking about a community of people that's not exactly known for encouraging introspection. Why reconsider your behavior when you basically believe God requires that sort of thing?

 

[Kenny'sID]

Kenny
I said right at the beginning, that everyone is already familiar with their position re homosexuality. Its why I spent time explaining not to make it part of the debate - and I went to that length because the example I used had a homosexual and a drag queen (unaware of their sexual leaning)

Try to get back on track in this thread.

So lets all agree that as Christians and/or conservative that drag queens and gays are immoral. (for those disagreeing - resist saying so - please). My question to you is - They chose a tactic to blockade - ie chanting over the top of the process and confronting the reader. You can argue - well good tactic - it stops the reading - job done - but what is the longer term affects of that act. We know ultimately that every single person caught up in it had bad outcomes -

Kenny can you see where I was hoping this discussion would go. Its more about protest skills, communication skills, change management processes. Its not a Left v Right or Gay Good v Gay bad discussion - so Please.....

See, the problem there is, Zoii...first we start with our little disagreement, the one that primed you up. Then, not me, but someone else from the area you mention makes the charge in post 81 they basically have problems with Christians, or a large group of them. It's actually kind of tough to figure out just what the problem is, but it appeared that any Christian that speaks out against homosexuality are part of that bad group of Christians, something that makes no sense, since Christianity/the bible itself is a against Homosexuality.

Anyway, then, and only then did I put up a defense. Next we have a few others getting off the track a bit (not that I mind) along the line making comments towards me on the same issue, yet, all that considered, I'm the only one you call out?

So, surely you understand I have to think you're accusing out of bias, and this is about more than meets the eye.

That's not to even mention, during our disagreement, some of your more nasty comments as well as your nonsensical, catch all "You're off track" comments towards me that, at that time, were not the case at all, and all brought on simply because I made a post that disagreed with you/the OP. Disagreements happen, try not to take it personally.

 

[Quartermaine]

No, it's not, there is no biblical reference to God thinking any race is an abomination. Big difference.

Now, what do we call it when someone calls a huge Chunk of the Christians Neo-Fundamentalist (and a bunch of other names, you'll need to go back and check out) and for no other reason than they are guilty of believing what God does? That certain things like Homosexuality is a major sin unto death. If you do not believe in God, you are just going to have to understand this is a Christian site where some of us are not going to sit idly by and let someone believe the illusions they have created for themselves so they can have their cake and eat it too, whoever they may be.

And I get that this is always a fabulous opportunity for the Atheist to jump in with the "Christians bad" routine, happens every time, but to us, it's just the opposite. So like it or not, there ya go...reality, like it or not. And your reality that it's not a problem is duly noted.

and racists and anti-Semites are just as happy to use the bible to justify their hatred...so no difference at all.

bringing this back to the OP...do you think your choice of tactic here has any positive effect at all?

 

[Kenny'sID]

and racists and anti-Semites are just as happy to use the bible to justify their hatred...so no difference at all.

You are confused, but before I go on, I need to know if you are non denominational as in Atheist or Christian? And yes, it matters.

bringing this back to the OP...do you think your choice of tactic here has any positive effect at all?

By tactics, do you mean defending Christian values to someone who made a cut against Christians? If not, what exactly do you mean?

 

[FireDragon76]

You are confused, but before I go on, I need to know if you are non denominational as in Atheist or Christian? And yes, it matters.

No, it doesn't.

Everybody, atheist and Christian alike, can read the Bible and interpret it for themselves. They don't need to agree with your interpretation of it, or even the interpretation shared by most fundamentalist evangelicals.

 

[Zoii]

See, the problem there is, Zoii...first we start with our little disagreement, the one that primed you up. Then, not me, but someone else from the area you mention makes the charge in post 81 they basically have problems with Christians, or a large group of them. It's actually kind of tough to figure out just what the problem is, but it appeared that any Christian that speaks out against homosexuality are part of that bad group of Christians, something that makes no sense, since Christianity/the bible itself is a against Homosexuality.

Anyway, then, and only then did I put up a defense. Next we have a few others getting off the track a bit (not that I mind) along the line making comments towards me on the same issue, yet, all that considered, I'm the only one you call out?

So, surely you understand I have to think you're accusing out of bias, and this is about more than meets the eye.

That's not to even mention, during our disagreement, some of your more nasty comments as well as your nonsensical, catch all "You're off track" comments towards me that, at that time, were not the case at all, and all brought on simply because I made a post that disagreed with you/the OP. Disagreements happen, try not to take it personally.

So what are you telling me. You refuse not to follow the OP and that your going to continue your LGBTI commentary despite my efforts to keep you and others on the OP. I just don't get what's so tough about respecting this OP. If homosexuality and liberalism had you riled up, can't you find another thread to contribute to?

 

[Kenny'sID]

It's debatable if "neo-fundamentalists" are a "huge chunk" of Christians. There are a billion Catholics worldwide, and about 400 million liberal Protestants. Many of those don't share your views of gay people.

No, it doesn't.

Everybody, atheist and Christian alike, can read the Bible and interpret it for themselves. They don't need to agree with your interpretation of it, or even the interpretation shared by most fundamentalist evangelicals.

I can't comment here. You'll need to start another thread if you want to continue to harass Christians, the very thing that started this argument on a thread where it has been deemed unacceptable to discuss, at least for me....others may get away with it.