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Why would a Christian deny the body and blood?

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It ceased among the apostates.

(CHuckle) And I've been an "Apostate" for 56 years now. I'm also Born again of the Holy Spirit by FAITH Gifted by God (Eph 2:8,9) in the Sin Offering of Jesus on the Cross. ANd better yet, I've been Baptized in the Holy SPirit (tongues and all)!! SO no worries, and no need to pay attention to Roman fables!!
 
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Two people, whoop-de-do, that's not counting the countless others who might have had other opinions, right...? Other "students", etc...?

And that's beautiful nonsensical twisting of scripture combined with man's words in that first paragraph, etc...

I'll ask you again, why is there absolutely no mention in the NT scriptures after Jesus about any kind of "transubstantiation" regarding communion at all, etc, "AT ALL", if they supposedly taught it or thought it was very important, etc...? Why, why, why...? No mention at all whatsoever... Why...? Or "why not", etc...? Especially if it is or was that important, etc...? I think there would at least be some mention of it if it was, etc... Or maybe, maybe there is no mention of it at all, cause they didn't even have those kinds of thoughts about it, now there's a novel thought or idea, right...?

Anyway, it was to "remember"... And things that are done or made or put into place to "remember" "another thing", usually mean "another thing", etc...

And I already tried to explain to you that his body or the bread is the Word of God, when Jesus talked about being the Word and the true bread that came down from heaven meaning the Word, or his words, etc, was his body, etc, and his blood, the Spirit, etc, recall that other people thought Christians were "drunk" when they were "full of the Spirit", or the Spirit fell down upon them, etc, it's also "fire", etc, and part of partaking of the wine or the blood was also spiritually symbolic of the baptism by fire or the Spirit, etc...

But people who want to take everything literally never understand anything symbolically or spiritually...

That a physical thing could mean something else in a spiritual sense just falls on deaf ears with them...

And it's not as if there is or was not plenty of that in the Bible right...? almost all physical things only being a "shadow" of things spiritually...? The true meaning of the thing being in it's symbolic or spiritual meaning, or it's spiritual reality, etc...?

Anyway,

Anyway, I'll even go so far with you that "even if" the bread was to be His literal flesh or physical body, and the wine his literal blood, He made it pretty clear that even those things were to parish and pass away, and were only a "shadow" or "shadows of" the "Word or Words of God" and the "(Holy) Spirit of God", etc, only "a shadow", etc, and those two latter things are the two things of most primary importance, etc...

And that is also what those things were to "truly mean you were "eating and drinking" and/or taking in", etc, making His physical flesh and blood of no importance since those things perished and went away when He did physically, but the Word and the Spirit are eternal and lives on, and are what we are to see ourselves "eating and/or drinking and taking in, partaking of", etc, when we have or do communion, etc...

God Bless!
Why... do... you... have... so... many... ellipses... in... your... post...?

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(CHuckle) And I've been an "Apostate" for 56 years now. I'm also Born again of the Holy Spirit by FAITH Gifted by God (Eph 2:8,9) in the Sin Offering of Jesus on the Cross. ANd better yet, I've been Baptized in the Holy SPirit (tongues and all)!! SO no worries, and no need to pay attention to Roman fables!!

Act 19:2 - he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”
 
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Why... do... you... have... so... many... ellipses... in... your... post...?

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I don't know man, just kinda become my thing over the years now, sorry...

God Bless!
 
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We are eating the flesh and blood of Christ. Just like the bible says.
They are the Word and the Spirit, flesh and blood was only a shadow of those things, and are not eternal, perished when Jesus did, etc, Word and Spirit.

God Bless!
 
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They are the Word and the Spirit, flesh and blood was only a shadow of those things, and are not eternal, perished when Jesus did, etc, Word and Spirit.

God Bless!

Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you.
 
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Communion doesn't save anyone. He was talking about following him by faith.
The people who had been following Him by faith abandoned Him when He said that unless they ate His flesh and drank His blood they had no life in them. And He made no effort to correct their apparent "misunderstanding".
 
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We are eating the flesh and blood of Christ. Just like the bible says.
But not literally. None of the disciples asked whether they should start with an arm or leg. Probably because they had heard Jesus teach in metaphors multiple times.
 
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The people who had been following Him by faith abandoned Him when He said that unless they ate His flesh and drank His blood they had no life in them. And He made no effort to correct their apparent "misunderstanding".
Because they were following him for the wrong reasons. They weren't really interested in becoming his followers.
 
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But not literally. None of the disciples asked whether they should start with an arm or leg. Probably because they had heard Jesus teach in metaphors multiple times.

That is why he then said:

Jhn 6:63 - It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
 
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Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you.
The Word and the Spirit were/are His true eternal body and blood, literal flesh and blood is not eternal and is only temporary for this world only, perished and went away/died when He left it or this world, etc, but the Word and the Spirit are not, but are and always have been Him in His eternal Spirit form, and are His true body and blood, etc, much more real and of much greater importance than the physical and are and have always been eternal, etc.

God Bless!
 
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The Word and the Spirit were/are His true eternal body and blood, literal flesh and blood is not eternal and is only temporary for this world only, perished and went away/died when He left it or this world, etc, but the Word and the Spirit are not, but are and always have been Him in His eternal Spirit form, and are His true body and blood, etc, much more real and of much greater importance than the physical and are and have always been eternal, etc.

God Bless!

But then there is an unbroken chain of commentaries from the Church Fathers down to modern times attesting that the Eucharist is the body and blood of Christ. All of the apostolic Churches have held the same belief since the beginning.

The only objection to that teaching comes from those in modern times who simply say "no it isn't" and offer only their own opinion to support their opinion.
 
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Because they were following him for the wrong reasons. They weren't really interested in becoming his followers.
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But then there is an unbroken chain of commentaries from the Church Fathers down to modern times attesting that the Eucharist is the body and blood of Christ. All of the apostolic Churches have held the same belief since the beginning.

The only objection to that teaching comes from those in modern times who simply say "no it isn't" and offer only their own opinion to support their opinion.
Church Father's over Bible, OK, I can see where this is going here...

Guess you guys don't believe in new or updated information or revelations, huh...?

And the fact that the "entire NT after Jesus does not mention it all", and even Jesus was alluding to something else, which I tried to explain, anyway, NT does not mention it, not even one bit, no "transubstantiation" of any kind in there, at all, literal body and blood and cannibalism not mentioned... anyway, like I said, church Father's over Bible, huh...?

Body=Bread=Word of God... Blood=Wine=Spirit of God....

Just a little "math" for you...

And which of these do you suppose is eternal...?

Anyway,

God Bless!
 
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That is why he then said:

Jhn 6:63 - It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Ok, so I'm still trying to understand what you believe. Obviously, the bread doesn't turn to human flesh. So, perhaps what is meant is that Jesus' spirit somehow inhabits the elements in a mysterious way?
 
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Why would a professing Christian deny the body and blood of Christ in the Eucharist when the bible and the history of Christianity proves it to be true?

Years ago I watched some old movies and period piece TV shows that covered the Reformation Era like "A Man for All Seasons", and "The Tudors". It was actually very educational because it reminded me of one of the major unofficial themes of the Reformation, namely being free from "Superstition". In the minds of many people taking part of the Reformation that theme was as big as the official Solas. And well the ostentation over some of the practices that came from beliefs of transubstantation etc. became equated with that seeing how rationality etc. was the new fashion of the age.
 
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