The myth of grace-only & easy-believism shattered forever

[timothyu]

Apparently he’s confused on the Gospel

Which one? Jesus' or the religion's ?

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Most churches today teach false doctrines for several reasons:
ignorance, unbelief, for popularity, for financial benefit, etc.
Only a few churches are teaching correct doctrine these days.
There is more to correct doctrine than “Jesus is Lord and Savior”.
Many Spirit-filled Christians are warning, “The church is fast asleep!”

Grace-only, cheap-grace, hyper-grace, easy-believism …
are all called antinomianism! This is the notion that a one-time
justification saves … apart from sanctification. But, this is an
incomplete understanding of God’s wonderful free gift of grace!

The problem with easy-believism is that it allows
those who are living in hypocrisy, disobedience, and sin
(i.e. those who are NOT walking in obedience)
to live comfortably with a false assurance of salvation!
This leads to the tragedy described in Matthew 7:21-23 (for example).

“… some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches,
saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives.
… they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.” (Jude 4-5, NLT)

NOTE: We are talking here about believers who have received the Holy Spirit.

There are at least 10 NT verses for each of the following truths

Believers prove they have true saving faith:
1 -- by their obedience
2 -- by practicing righteousness
3 -- by living holy lives
4 -- by having a healthy fear of God
5 -- by repenting of their occasional sins
6 –- by overcoming sin, the world, Satan, persecution
7 –- by enduring in the faith to the end of their lives

Re: #4 … If people are believing and trusting in grace-only, cheap-grace,
hyper-grace, easy-believism, etc., HOW can they be fearing God?

So, all of these verses PROVE the road to eternal life is indeed narrow,
and believers are responsible for playing their part in their salvation!

Or, shall we view these verses as merely bluffs, exaggerations, lies even?

Initially, through His grace, God gives to new believers:
Jesus’ righteousness, redemption, reconciliation, etc. and salvation.
However, this grace/salvation is NOT guaranteed to last forever!
Because ONLY their old-past-former sins have been forgiven (2 Peter 1:9).
And because NT verses warn about the possibility of losing salvation.

Some believers became “estranged from Christ”
… they had “fallen from grace” (Galatians 5:4).

Some believers are “of those who draw back to perdition” (Hebrews 10:39).

And there are many more warning verses.

The flesh is weak. The only way to overcome habitual sin is through the power of the Holy Spirit. We can not do this on our own. That being said, it is my belief that BAC's who willfully sin and feel no remorse have "quenched" the Holy Spirit. They are walking on the wide road of destruction. The question is, how did they get there in the first place?
This is where heretical teachings of "hyper grace" come into play. Hyper-grace preachers claim the Holy Spirit will never convict Christians of their sin. The truth? This is the role of the Holy Spirit. Those who sit under this teaching must be prayed for vigorously. Not only have they lost the influence of the Holy Spirit through deception, but they have lost their first LOVE ,Jesus Christ of Nazareth. "If you love Me you will keep my commandments".
Blessings

 

[timothyu]

Hyper-grace preachers claim the Holy Spirit will never convict Christians of their sin but in fact this is the role of the Holy Spirit.

Exactly. Jesus sent the HS (a guiding wind) to keep those of the Gospel of the Kingdom on the right path. Those not of the Gospel of the Kingdom were never on it in the first place.

 

[BCsenior]

When I read this, I get a "gnashing teeth" kind of sense.
So it tells me not to listen, i.e. not the voice of the shepherd.

Yes, and that's the feeling you get when you read all of those dire warnings in the NT, right?
And that's why you don't believe them either.
It's your conscience speaking.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

True many are not teaching that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

Many poor souls never get to the beginning.

M-Bob

 

[BCsenior]

Secondly, your doomsday prophecies about America only serve to create fear, not faith. How does any of this help anyone to actually deal with sin? Can sin be defeated by the flesh?

You haven't noticed that all of the hurricanes, tornadoes, fires, flooding, etc. are escalating.
Any idea how many Americans have lost their homes lately?

These are not prophecies, but realities!
They have been sent as warnings to repent.
And to prepare for extremely difficult times.

Next up ... earthquakes ... more lives and homes lost.
Repent and Prepare!

 

[timothyu]

These are not prophecies, but realities!
They have been sent as warnings to repent.
And to prepare for extremely difficult times.

Happening on a world scale. You give the US too much credit

 

[BCsenior]

The flesh is weak. The only way to overcome habitual sin is through the power of the Holy Spirit. We can not do this on our own. That being said, it is my belief that BAC's who willfully sin and feel no remorse have "quenched" the Holy Spirit. The are walking on the wide road of destruction. The question is how did they get there in the first place?
This is where heretical teachings of "hyper grace" come into play. Hyper-grace preachers claim the Holy Spirit will never convict Christians of their sin but in fact this is the role of the Holy Spirit. Those who sit under this teaching must be prayed for vigorously. Not only have they lost the Holy Spirit through deception but they have lost their first LOVE ,Jesus Christ of Nazareth. "If you love Me you will keep my commandments".
Blessings

The only anointed response so far ... good going, Maria.

 

[BCsenior]

Exactly. Jesus sent the HS (a guiding wind) to keep those of the Gospel of the Kingdom on the right path. Those not of the Gospel of the Kingdom were never on it in the first place.

Yeahbut, I'm warning those who think they're on the narrow path ... just because they "believe".

Not only the non-believers are blind to spiritual Truths!

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Yes, and that's the feeling you get when you read all of those dire warnings in the NT, right?
And that's why you don't believe them either.
It's your conscience speaking.

not so much. This is a result of a meditation on the three temptations of Christ in the desert. Moral of the story: Even the devil can quote scripture. So the quality of the message matters as well.

 

[timothyu]

Yeahbut, I'm warning those who think they're on the narrow path ... just because they "believe".

Actions speak louder than words. Remember the sky-pilot's '42 words of encouragement 'praise the lord and pass the ammunition'? Not a very narrow path I agree.

 

[BCsenior]

not so much. This is a result of a meditation on the three temptations of Christ in the desert. Moral of the story: Even the devil can quote scripture. So the quality of the message matters as well.

Yes, it's obvious that you don't care for the quality of the NT warnings.
Try RECONCILING the NT verses on the 2 sides of the OSAS - eternal security debate.
It's quite easily done in one sentence.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Yes, it's obvious that you don't care for the quality of the NT warnings.

I find if a speaker cannot separate their message from the scriptures as an object, there's usually a sin of pride not too far off.

What I like about the new testament writings is there are fruit lists that give the listener a means to quantify whether a message (scriptural or not) has the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

 

[zoidar]

Thank you for being humble enough to ask this.
TRY YOUR BEST WHILE REPENTING OF (i.e. stopping) YOUR KNOWN SINS.
God will honor this effort and He will bless you and lead you unto holiness.
Romans 6 says we must become slaves of righteousness unto holiness!

I will do this... Thanks! Christ love!

How do you deal with sexuality? Not fully sure, what is sin and not.

Maybe I need to clarify? I struggle with possible sexual sins, not knowing what is sin and what isn't. I know this thread isn't about sexual sins, but I like to raise the questions anyhow, since it has to do with holy living.

1. Is masturbation sin or not? Is there a clear answer to this? It feels like there are just a lot of "ifs" and "maybes".

2. I go to the gym and there are often women dressed bringing out their figure. Am I to avoid going to the gym, or change gym? Hard du find a gym without these women.

 

[BCsenior]

1. Is masturbation sin or not? Is there a clear answer to this? It feels like there are just a lot of "ifs" and "maybes".
2. I go to the gym and there are often women dressed bringing out their figure. Am I to avoid going to the gym, or change gym? Hard du find a gym without these women.

1. I'm not sure ... it's not my expertise.

2. Just appreciate their appearance without lusting after them.
One of my fellow evangelists in Bulgaria once said to me,
"I never look below their neck when talking to a woman."

 

[DeepWater]

Ive noticed that hyper religious cultists who obsess on trying to preach anti-Grace messages, like so many found on this Thread, can't explain anything about how the Blood Atonement saves you, and keeps you saved.
They can't explain a verse like this one. Philippians 1:6
And they all live and die in : Hebrews, Matthew, and James, as if there is no Paul, no Blood Atonement, and no Jesus who IS Himself Grace, Salvation, and Eternal life.

It seems that every one of these Grace haters, who are all Galatians 1:8, all teach the same circular reasoning obsessed idea against the Gospel that Paul taught, which always centers themselves as their own savior. They are "self saviors". They have kicked Jesus off the Cross, and they are now up on it, and are trying their lying best to get you up on it to try to save yourself.

And how can you spot these anti-Cross" types? You will notice that 100 % of the time they have a LIST of things they will list for you, of dos and dont's that are made of up commandments, enduring, the law, the torah, and themselves working working working, and GRACE is always absent from their Heretic's Gospel.
Notice this, and avoid these people other then to point them out to Real Believers. They are theological poison. They are chopping down the Cross with their self righteousness and legalism.
They are an infection in the body of Christ, their one passion is to ruin Christian Forums with their anti-Cross legalism teaching, and they'll infect you with it and ruin your Christianity, if you are not sound in your understanding of:

Hebrews 13:9
Romans 3:21-28
Romans 4:8
Hebrews 12:2

"Justification by FAITH"
"The GIFT of Righteousness".

 

[Beanieboy]

Most churches today teach false doctrines for several reasons:
ignorance, unbelief, for popularity, for financial benefit, etc.
Only a few churches are teaching correct doctrine these days.
There is more to correct doctrine than “Jesus is Lord and Savior”.
Many Spirit-filled Christians are warning, “The church is fast asleep!”

There are at least 10 NT verses for each of the following truths

Believers prove they have true saving faith:
1 -- by their obedience
2 -- by practicing righteousness
3 -- by living holy lives
4 -- by having a healthy fear of God
5 -- by repenting of their occasional sins
6 –- by overcoming sin, the world, Satan, persecution
7 –- by enduring in the faith to the end of their lives

Couldn't I also argue that as with the parable of the sheep and the goats, if you see people hungry and you do not feed them, naked and do not clothe them, sick and do not care for them, then you are also in jeopardy of going to hell?

And Christ did not mean that you earn your way into heaven by caring for those in need. When you care for even the least of these, you have cared for Christ also.
But if you do not love your neighbor as yourself, or as 1 Corinthians gives a number of examples, if you don't have love, you have nothing.

 

[timothyu]

But if you do not love your neighbor as yourself, or as 1 Corinthians gives a number of examples, if you don't have love, you have nothing.

True because we all and Jesus are the same self.

 

[zoidar]

1. I'm not sure ... it's not my expertise.

2. Just appreciate their appearance without lusting after them.
One of my fellow evangelists in Bulgaria once said to me,
"I never look below their neck when talking to a woman."

Feels like this is leaving just about where I was. Don't know if it's possible to appreciate every time without lusting...

 

[Chris V++]

I've been around enough "Grace only" people to know for certain they felt they had a license to sin. Mean and dishonest as they could be and heaven bound regardless.

Can't beat first hand proof.

So what works must these grace only people do to earn salvation? Are these good deed type works like caring for the poor, or are these church sacrament based works, like attending confession and performing penance? Or is it both? I find it hard to believe that anyone has managed to just stop sinning .