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If the fire is a cleansing fire---Jesus need never have died for our sins---He could have just resurrected us all and walked us through the lake of fire and cleansed everybody that way. He need never have come to this earth and suffered all He did. It makes His whole coming and the cross and everything He went thorough---pointless.

Have you forgotten: "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission." Hebrews 9:22, KJV

I have not forgotten. I also know that the Law specified that some things, mostly metal, were to be purged with FIRE.

Your own church teaches that Jesus the Christ has much to do after His ascension...yes?
 
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First of all, we don't choose to believe what we want because how we "feel". God's righteousness does not work according man's feelings.

I never asked you to "FEEL". And I would say, based upon my post, and this apparent non-rebuttal you apparently don't think you can correctly 'respond' either.

Because God is JUST and RIGHTEOUS He allows FREE WILL.
And I proved with multiple RED scriptures that you don't know what you're talking about. So your above 'opinion' stands on the merit of, of, of, uhhh your opinion. I believe on judgment day I'd rather stand on all the RED predestination scriptures your free will apparently can't deal with.

There will be no innocence in hell.
Duh? I'm confident enough to say no one here, on our side, is dumb enough to think there will be. So bringing that point up, hopefully isn't the sharpest rebuttal tool in your shed.

God does not force the free gift of life on anyone who HATES THE LIGHT.
Of course HE doesn't, :doh: so what's your problem, in understanding God and thinking He does?

God is JUST therefore sin must be dealt with.
WE agree, just not according to what you guys teach. The Gospel we preach does say sin was dealt with FOR ALL. You say sin isn't dealt with unless you accept Jesus in this age. Prove that.

And the only way is through the righteous lamb of God who TOOK that sin upon Himself when He suffered a BRUTAL DEATH on a lonely hill called Calvary.
Gee, I thought FEEEEEELINGS were anathema in your first sentence, and now you want me to cry about the "BRUTAL DEATH on a lonely hill". Man up, Jesus did. And that's how I look at what He did out of love for the Father. And maybe even because He loved sinners more than any of your posts I've read, have ever appeared to. You haven't indicated one ounce of love for sinners in all the posts I've read of yours. Why not try to prove to me you love those who are lost and aren't 'lucky' enough to be like you. Because if you're a Christian you too were "CALLED DRAWN CHOSEN" and then "GIVEN REPENTENCE" and the FAITH, to believe IF YOU WERE ORDAINED.

But your post appears to FEEL like predestination is a good point to just not deal with....like you did with the last post from me.
John 3:19-21
And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 FOR EVERYONE PRACTICING EVIL HATES THE LIGHT and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
I totally agree. Fits our theology like a glove. Now tell me why you don't walk 100% in the Spirit so that 'ALL of your deeds may be clearly seen to have been wrought in God.' verse 21. You are 'perfect' and walking in sinlessness, right? :sigh:
 
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Have you forgotten: "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission." Hebrews 9:22, KJV

I have not forgotten. I also know that the Law specified that some things, mostly metal, were to be purged with FIRE.

Your own church teaches that Jesus the Christ has much to do after His ascension...yes?

I've not forgotten it at all, you have. According to you---it need never have been shed if the fire cleanses the sinner---the shed blood of Christ has nothing to do with the cleansing fire. The blood was never accepted, His forgiveness never asked for---your claim is that the fire takes away the sin, not the blood of Jesus. There is no blood in the fire. So Jesus never had to die, all He ever had to do is dump everyone through the fire and spared Himself all the suffering. His gift of eternal life with Him is offered to those who accept His blood offering. They never have and the fire will consume them because they have no protection from it. After their resurrection comes the judgment---the first thing they do is try to attack the city of God---obviously they have not accepted the blood and the fire comes down from heaven and devours them. It is not a cleansing fire for them, there has been no blood involved at all. Your theory is totally wrong and completely does away for the need to have the blood of Jesus for the fire will cleanse them anyway----Totally wrong, totally against what scripture says and is misleading many people into not accepting salvation now and having the Holy Spirit do the overcoming of sins in their life now. You can only enter into God's presence if you are sinless.
The work of Jesus Christ now is that of the High Priest---the High priest is the one that sprinkled the blood for the forgiveness of sins. His work is applying that shed blood to each sinner before God as their names that are in the Book of life comes up. If the blood has been accepted---the name is not blotted out, if it has not---the name is blotted out.

Rev_3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Exo 32:32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.
Exo 32:33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

What you have failed to understand is that everyone's name has been entered into the book of life---
But it is those that have rejected God's free grace and His blood---their names are blotted out of the book of life. It is only the blood that covers our sins so our names are not blotted out. The fire will not cleanse anyone---the blood of Jesus does and His devouring fire will not hurt the saved--only the lost, those whose names have been blotted out of the book of life.
It is not the vain philosophies of men that will give understanding of the bible---but the bible itself.
When Jesus returns the 2nd time the decision of who is saved and who is lost has already been made.

Rev_22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

There is no more time after death to change ones mind. The work of Jesus will have been finished and everyone's decision will have been final.

Rev_16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev_21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

and when Jesus says it is done---His work is finished---He co9mes for those that are written in the book of life--- when the work is done---it is final. Our characters have been set---
Rev_22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
 
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All conspiracies may be traced back to the devil. 'Follow the money', say the hard-nosed Roman cops. And behind the money is the control over those who love it most, he who waters the root of all of evil.

So when I complained to my previous church about their statement of faith being restricted to ECT eschatology, I was dumped post-haste. Something told me I was interfering in church business. Tithes and donations rolling in on the back of the Big Threat, never spoken, all superficial rejoicing in the gifts of the Spirit. Sorry, but it's just the same old corrupt officials hawking indulgences, and arsonists selling fire insurance premiums.

So we have found the way, by the grace of God. Church hierarchy hates universalism because it exposes their evil motives.
I hear what you are saying. But after '17 years of UR/UNI home group church', God called me to enter the lion's den of 'church organization' and live out the 'Christ in me organism' for the brethren. I was doing so, through the first two pastors, holding many positions. Both who knew I believed because they were told by others who were told by me when the hard questions inevitably would come up. The first pastor didn't even hear for a number of years. But after 4 years with the second pastor, who knew immediately, my 'favor' changed. We were tight for the first 4, because I was helping to build his dream and God's work. But when his religious dream countered my prophetic dream we butted heads, and the very scenario you just shared above, raised its head. People weren't on board with the MONEY for 'his dream' (new building, charter school, outreach center building) and when they asked me I shared prophetically why I wasn't either. We hung in for 4 more oppressive years then God called us out and we left for 8. The 'new' pastor had been there 2 years when God called us back 2 years ago. He too knew I believed. How could he not, I mentored two of his elders. He just asked that I not make it a platform position. I told him I never did before. He and I are on very good terms. Many times he's spoke highly of watching me minister to brethren. And he 'hears' of much more than he sees.

So I am, once again, in a place of believing UR/UNI but also believing that on the day of judgment He isn't going to judge me for my 'doctrinal talk'. He is going to judge me for my 'ministry walk'. :idea:
 
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So I am, once again, in a place of believing UR/UNI but also believing that on the day of judgment He isn't going to judge me for my 'doctrinal talk'. He is going to judge me for my 'ministry walk'. :idea:

We need to attain to the beatitudes by grace and truth. But if a brother/ sister's motives are all messed up due to bad doctrine, then it's a 'depart from me' regardless of the mighty works he may have done. Now, we're secure in the faith that God's judgments save, but what good is it to minister to people who are lost in darkness without correcting their partiality and doubt with 'doctrinal talk' as well as by example?

God knows I'm short on patience and forbearance, but you must see a lot of ppl whose burdens and problems could be greatly alleviated by their jettisoning trash from the temple - the money changing, the phantasmagoria, the anxiety etc. Historically it's been a disastrous state of affairs. And worse because it's whitewashed over with false righteousness.

God is glorified when the ax is laid to the root and Jesus is lifted up, not in a superficial way, but so that we gain true unshakeable peace and security that God is for us not against us, even to the depths of our brokenness and in times of adversity. I don't see how that seed can take root on the same plot where the likes of double predestination, ECT, penal substitution and other carnal rot, reside.
 
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I asked for a verse that states God said anyone comes out of the lake of fire unto life eternal with Him. Or a verse that states there is a 2nd chance after death. All there is --is that there is a 2nd death, there is no resurrection from that 2nd death listed.

Hello, just going back to your favorite 'get out of jail' card with the question over Rev 21:24, whether the words 'of them which are saved' are in or out.

You are cordially invited to bathe in the warm glow of Rev 15:4 and the cross references/ precedents in Ps 86:6 and Is 66:23 in particular.

Revelation 15:4 Who will not fear You, O Lord, and glorify Your name? For You alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before You, for Your righteous acts have been revealed."

ALL NATIONS, He loses none that were given unto His hand.

So, to recap, the nations who get the holy fire treatment in Rev 20:9 and/or cast into the fire in unbelief in Rev 20:15, emerge purified in Rev 21:25 to enter into the City via the ever-open pearly gates in Rev 21:26 and be healed with the leaves from the tree of life growing along the banks of Main St in Rev 22:2.

Praise the Lord!
 
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WE agree, just not according to what you guys teach. The Gospel we preach does say sin was dealt with FOR ALL. You say sin isn't dealt with unless you accept Jesus in this age. Prove that.

Until you understand what IN CHRIST means you will continue to preach your false gospel of UR. And continue to remove the blood from salvation. ONLY through His blood is sin atoned for and this redemption through His blood is only IN CHRIST.

OK, I have no problem with your quoted verses...but what in the world makes you think I or any other UR believer separates the blood from salvation? Salvation is of, by and through Jesus the Christ and we all understand it. So where does your rant come from?

You're going to need a bigger argument.


The only way a person is forgiven of their sins is by the redemption through His blood. And this is only IN CHRIST not outside of Christ any way. Anyone who proclaims salvation from sin is outside of Christ is guilty of removing the blood from salvation. Salvation means salvation from sin. And by proclaiming those outside of Christ have forgiveness of sins through His blood, you have just removed the blood from salvation. Again what part of IN CHRIST don't you understand? Those who reject Christ do not have forgiveness of sins through His blood. And if they reject Christ UNTO death, they will SURELY DIE IN THEIR SINS. And this is the very reason the wrath of God abides them, they have rejected the blood of forgiveness only found IN CHRIST. Only by faith in Christ are they washed from their sins in His blood. Apart from faith in Christ, they will die in their sins.

Ephesians 1:7
IN HIM we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace

Colossians 1:14
IN WHOM we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.

Romans 3:24
being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is IN CHRIST JESUS,

1 Corinthians 1:30
But of Him you are IN CHRIST JESUS, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption

John 8:24

Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

John 3:36
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life
; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.

Revelation 1:5
To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood

Wrath always has to do with sin. Where there is no sin, there is no wrath, and this precious place is only found IN CHRIST. The only reason we are blameless and Holy in His sight is because our sins have been paid for by His blood. If you claim unbelievers (those who reject Christ) have had their sins paid for by His blood apart from faith, you are guilty of removing the blood from salvation. It really is that simple.
 
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If you claim unbelievers (those who reject Christ) have had their sins paid for by His blood apart from faith, you are guilty of removing the blood from salvation. It really is that simple.

NOBODY IS CLAIMING THAT BROTHER! To the contrary, we say NOBODY CAN ESCAPE IT.

Faith is a gift from above. We are saved by faith and that not of ourselves.

The hound of heaven never misses.
 
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NOBODY IS CLAIMING THAT BROTHER! To the contrary, we say NOBODY CAN ESCAPE IT.

Faith is a gift from above. We are saved by faith and that not of ourselves.

The hound of heaven never misses.
So how are sins dealt with apart from the blood of Christ?
 
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So how are sins dealt with apart from the blood of Christ?

They're not, far as I know. Why do you think UR says they should be?
 
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They're not, far as I know. Why do you think UR says they should be?

(((In Christian theology, universal reconciliation (also called universal salvation, Christian universalism, or in context simply universalism) is the doctrine that all sinful and alienated human souls—because of divine love and mercy—will ultimately be reconciled to God.)))- Wikipedia

Sin is only atoned for by the blood of Christ. This redemption through His blood (the forgiveness of sins) is only IN CHRIST. And the only way to be IN CHRIST is by faith in Christ. According to this definition ALL sinful and alienated souls will be reconciled to God EVEN APART FROM FAITH. this is not possible because apart from faith they are still in their sins. And if they are still in their sins they ARE ALIENATED from God, because they are still UNDER HIS GOD'S WRATH. They must be reconciled in the body of His flesh through death to be holy and Blameless in God's sight. Is it not sin that separates us from God? Is it not sin that brings God's wrath? Is it not sin that brings condemnation, judgement and death? So of sin is the problem FAITH IN CHRIST IS THE ONLY CURE!!
 
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(((In Christian theology, universal reconciliation (also called universal salvation, Christian universalism, or in context simply universalism) is the doctrine that all sinful and alienated human souls—because of divine love and mercy—will ultimately be reconciled to God.)))- Wikipedia

Sin is only atoned for by the blood of Christ. This redemption through His blood (the forgiveness of sins) is only IN CHRIST. And the only way to be IN CHRIST is by faith in Christ. According to this definition ALL sinful and alienated souls will be reconciled to God EVEN APART FROM FAITH. this is not possible because apart from faith they are still in their sins. And if they are still in their sins they ARE ALIENATED from God, because they are still UNDER HIS GOD'S WRATH. They must be reconciled in the body of His flesh through death to be holy and Blameless in God's sight. Is it not sin that separates us from God? Is it not sin that brings God's wrath? Is it not sin that brings condemnation, judgement and death? So of sin is the problem FAITH IN CHRIST IS THE ONLY CURE!!

I don't see where it says anything about 'APART FROM FAITH'? You're jumping at shadows there bro. Faith, hope and love, but the greatest of these is LOVE.

The reason the last reprobates are 'thrown' into the lake of fire is because they refuse to look to Christ in stubborn attachment to sin. So God intervenes. The LoF is the Blood of the Lamb, which is the LIFE OF GOD, LOVE, the Life Eternal. It kills death and disease by purification, like the Jordan River does for Israel, Naaman the Syrian, and even Christ submits to baptism for symbolic/ teaching purposes.

For everyone will be salted with fire, and SALT IS GOOD (Mk 9:49).

Is that any clearer my man?
 
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Hello, just going back to your favorite 'get out of jail' card with the question over Rev 21:24, whether the words 'of them which are saved' are in or out.

You are cordially invited to bathe in the warm glow of Rev 15:4 and the cross references/ precedents in Ps 86:6 and Is 66:23 in particular.

Revelation 15:4 Who will not fear You, O Lord, and glorify Your name? For You alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before You, for Your righteous acts have been revealed."

ALL NATIONS, He loses none that were given unto His hand.

So, to recap, the nations who get the holy fire treatment in Rev 20:9 and/or cast into the fire in unbelief in Rev 20:15, emerge purified in Rev 21:25 to enter into the City via the ever-open pearly gates in Rev 21:26 and be healed with the leaves from the tree of life growing along the banks of Main St in Rev 22:2.

Praise the Lord!


LOL! All saved nations. Again. Read post #1063

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Those that go into the lake of fire are not written in the book of life. The fire does not cleanse them but devours them.
 
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I don't see where it says anything about 'APART FROM FAITH'? You're jumping at shadows there bro. Faith, hope and love, but the greatest of these is LOVE.

The reason the last reprobates are 'thrown' into the lake of fire is because they refuse to look to Christ in stubborn attachment to sin. So God intervenes. The LoF is the Blood of the Lamb, which is the LIFE OF GOD, LOVE, the Life Eternal. It kills death and disease by purification, like the Jordan River does for Israel, Naaman the Syrian, and even Christ submits to baptism for symbolic/ teaching purposes.

For everyone will be salted with fire, and SALT IS GOOD (Mk 9:49).

Is that any clearer my man?

Sin is what separates us from God, and apart from faith their is no reconciliation, because sin is still in the way. And according to that definition it says ALL will be reconciled. That is not true because not all will believe in Christ. In fact most will choose the WIDE GATE that leads to destruction. So how can ALL be reconciled if most will reject Christ? If ALL are reconciled (by that definition) that means most will reconciled apart from faith, and apart from faith THERE IS NO SALVATION FROM SIN; therefore there is NO RECONCILIATION APART FROM FAITH. Without faith they cannot be washed from their sins.

So what happens when those who choose to reject Christ die in their sins? How are they reconciled if they are still in their sins?

Mathew 7:12-14
“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

John 8:24
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

John 1:12
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

John 3:18
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:36
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

John 5:24
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

John 10:26
But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.

Luke 10:16
He who hears you hears Me, he who rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me.”

John 3:20
For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.

John 15:17-19
“If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
 
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There is no blood in the fire.
That is a non-argument. When I was saved I saw no blood of Christ either. It wasn't physically there.
Totally wrong, totally against what scripture says and is misleading many people into not accepting salvation now and having the Holy Spirit do the overcoming of sins in their life now.
That's just your opinion. Perhaps the goodness of heaven can outweigh the fear of hell when it comes to converting. According to the Word of God His goodness leads to repentance:

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? Romans 2:4
 
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That is a non-argument. When I was saved I saw no blood of Christ either. It wasn't physically there.

That's just your opinion. Perhaps the goodness of heaven can outweigh the fear of hell when it comes to converting. According to the Word of God His goodness leads to repentance:

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? Romans 2:4

How can there be the blood of Jesus to cover them when it has to be accepted and it hasn't been? They die attacking the city of God---not repenting for their sins. They are resurrected, band together to attack the city--and are destroyed---where is the scenario where they see the goodness of God and are so moved by it they repent? What is so hard to understand that they die trying to kill God and all the saved so they can take over the city of God?? Where is the verse that says they came out of the fire praising God unto life eternal with Him after they are devoured by the fire for attacking the city?
 
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LOL! All saved nations. Again. Read post #1063

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Those that go into the lake of fire are not written in the book of life. The fire does not cleanse them but devours them.

Exactly - they need to be PURIFIED and REPENT before they can be written in and enter through the ever-open gates. Not much point having open gates without people ENTERING IN at any time in future.

The fire devours them and they EMERGE to WORSHIP GOD just AS PROPHESIED AND PROMISED in Isaiah, the Psalms and earlier in Revelation.

Or do you say God breaks His promises just to pander to your prejudices now?
 
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So what happens when those who choose to reject Christ die in their sins? How are they reconciled if they are still in their sins?

They are cleansed and purified of their sins by the love of Christ.

Then I said: “Woe is me, for I am ruined, because I am a man of unclean lips dwelling among a people of unclean lips; for my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of Hosts.” Then one of the seraphim flew to me, and in his hand was a glowing coal that he had taken with tongs from the altar. And with it he touched my mouth and said: “Now that this has touched your lips, your iniquity is removed and your sin is atoned for." (Is 6:6-6:8)

The hot coal from the divine fire on the lips treatment works for a man of unclean lips. How much more so full immersion in that selfsame fire. The blood of Christ IS the fire of God.
 
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That is a non-argument. When I was saved I saw no blood of Christ either. It wasn't physically there.

That's just your opinion. Perhaps the goodness of heaven can outweigh the fear of hell when it comes to converting. According to the Word of God His goodness leads to repentance:

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? Romans 2:4

Brother Jord: Greetings again in the One who is exceedingly abundantly above all we can ask or think!

 
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Exactly - they need to be PURIFIED and REPENT before they can be written in and enter through the ever-open gates. Not much point having open gates without people ENTERING IN at any time in future.

The fire devours them and they EMERGE to WORSHIP GOD just AS PROPHESIED AND PROMISED in Isaiah, the Psalms and earlier in Revelation.

Or do you say God breaks His promises just to pander to your prejudices now?

LOL!! They are devoured---they are enclosed within this fire while in the act of attacking the city of God. Unrepentant sinners. How did they get the time to repent and have the blood of Jesus forgive their sins so that the fire could not hurt them? They didn't. You have shown nothing that states anyone has come out of the lake of fire to praise and worship God. They are dead.
Psa_115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

There is no cleansing fire for the lost--there is only the cleansing blood of Jesus which the sinners rejected and therefore had no protection from being destroyed by it. All you have shown me is how very wrong your ideas are and contradictory to how the bible reads. God never breaks His promises--

Eze_18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Eze_18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. You still have not read post #1063 have you?
Exo_32:33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Their names were blotted out of the book of life. What God says, He does right? Those not written in the book of life are lost and when Jesus returns He comes only for the saved---the promises of God for eternal life are for the saved. Nowhere does it say God has promised eternal life to those blotted out of the book of life --what has been promised them is destruction by His consuming fire. You are leading people down the wide path to destruction, not the narrow path to life eternal with Jesus. The new earth, the New Jerusalem with it's forever opened gates are for those who have accepted the cleansing blood of Jesus. The lost get destroyed and what the fire cleanses is the earth and ashes that are all that is left of any sinner.
In the time since I first heard of this delusion, nothing has been proven to me that it has any biblical support whatsoever. Wishful thinking derived from verses that are for the saved, not the lost.
 
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