None of These Diseases: I am the Lord who heals you.

[Guojing]

What ONE sign did JESUS HIMSELF SaY Was Given to the Jews? (NOT healing, which their own people were able to do at times).
Jesus needed no gift to do anything He accomplished - He simply obeyed the Father, always resting the whole care of His Own Life in the Father's Hands, and always as the Father accomplished all that Jesus did obediently and willingly without any doubt and without any sin nor iniquity at all.

Yes, he needed no gift I agree.

My point was that the Jews needed to accept him as their Promised Messiah and Son of God, that is where the sign gifts came in. Is my point that hard for you to understand?

Here are some examples of verses where the Jews demanded signs

Matthew 16:1-4

The Pharisees and Sadducees came up, and testing Jesus, they asked Him to show them a sign from heaven. But He replied to them, "When it is evening, you say, 'It will be fair weather, for the sky is red.' "And in the morning, 'There will be a storm today, for the sky is red and threatening.' Do you know how to discern the appearance of the sky, but cannot discern the signs of the times?

Mark 8:11-12

The Pharisees came out and began to argue with Him, seeking from Him a sign from heaven, to test Him. Sighing deeply in His spirit, He said, "Why does this generation seek for a sign? Truly I say to you, no sign will be given to this generation."

Matthew 12:38-39

Then some of the scribes and Pharisees said to Him, "Teacher, we want to see a sign from You." But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign; and yet no sign will be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet;

Luke 11:29

Verse Concepts

As the crowds were increasing, He began to say, "This generation is a wicked generation; it seeks for a sign, and yet no sign will be given to it but the sign of Jonah.

Luke 11:16

Verse Concepts

Others, to test Him, were demanding of Him a sign from heaven.

Luke 12:54-56

And He was also saying to the crowds, "When you see a cloud rising in the west, immediately you say, 'A shower is coming,' and so it turns out. "And when you see a south wind blowing, you say, 'It will be a hot day,' and it turns out that way. "You hypocrites! You know how to analyze the appearance of the earth and the sky, but why do you not analyze this present time?

Luke 23:8

Verse Concepts

Now Herod was very glad when he saw Jesus; for he had wanted to see Him for a long time, because he had been hearing about Him and was hoping to see some sign performed by Him.

John 2:18

Verse Concepts

The Jews then said to Him, "What sign do You show us as your authority for doing these things?"

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The Jews then said to Him, "What sign do You show us as your authority for doing these things?"

And Jesus answered them -

NOT with ANY sign gift, ever, at all.

 

[Guojing]

And Jesus answered them -

NOT with ANY sign gift, ever, at all.

Are you agreeing with my point?

I have already used John 20:30-31 earlier. The entire book of John is to account for 8 different type of signs that Jesus performed for the Jews in order for them to believe in him as the Son of God.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Are you agreeing with my point?

I have already used John 20:30-31 earlier. The entire book of John is to account for 8 different type of signs that Jesus performed for the Jews in order for them to believe in him as the Son of God.

No, as it looks still and again like you have not agreed with the very Scripture verses you present. (can you type out the references when you use them so we can see what words you are talking about?)

Jesus Himself told them what ONLY SIGN would be given to them - the sign of Jonah who was dead for three days and three nights in the belly of a fish.

No sign gift at all .... Jesus did not need it nor use it.

 

[Guojing]

No, as it looks still and again like you have not agreed with the very Scripture verses you present. (can you type out the references when you use them so we can see what words you are talking about?)

Jesus Himself told them what ONLY SIGN would be given to them - the sign of Jonah who was dead for three days and three nights in the belly of a fish.

No sign gift at all .... Jesus did not need it nor use it.

You disagree with John 20:30-31? It explicitly stated my point.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

You disagree with John 20:30-31? It explicitly stated my point.

Print it out (the text, and a little context , if you can)

 

[Guojing]

Print it out (the text, and a little context , if you can)

30 Many other signs therefore did Jesus in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

30 Many other signs therefore did Jesus in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.

Who is this written to,
and who does it say "believing ye may have life in his name" to ?

Note it is not the Jews who rejected Jesus before whom Jesus did "many other signs",
and the signs He did were not with nor using any so-called "sign gift" at all.

Did you find yet the ONE SIGN Jesus said the Jews who were looking for a sign would have ? (again, not a sign gift)

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

My point was that the Jews needed to accept him as their Promised Messiah and Son of God, that is where the sign gifts came in. Is my point that hard for you to understand?

His people, the Jews, REJECTED HIM, so that prophesy may be fulfilled and the gentiles could be offered salvation, as written.
The Jews needed to reject Him, not to accept Him, in order for prophesy to be fulfilled, just as it happened, just as it is written.

 

[Guojing]

Who is this written to,
and who does it say "believing ye may have life in his name" to ?

Note it is not the Jews who rejected Jesus before whom Jesus did "many other signs",
and the signs He did were not with nor using any so-called "sign gift" at all.

Did you find yet the ONE SIGN Jesus said the Jews who were looking for a sign would have ? (again, not a sign gift)

The Gospel of the Kingdom is for the Jews only.

 

[Guojing]

His people, the Jews, REJECTED HIM, so that prophesy may be fulfilled and the gentiles could be offered salvation, as written.
The Jews needed to reject Him, not to accept Him, in order for prophesy to be fulfilled, just as it happened, just as it is written.

I see you lean more towards predestination rather than free will. Saying the Jews needed to reject him is like saying Adam needed to disobey God and eat from the wrong tree.

Human beings must be given a legitimate choice. God foreknowing it does not mean "The Jews needed to reject Him".

I have already quote Scripture to you but I cannot make you agree with it.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Sanctification is a process, certainly.
Needing to accept the teaching that we have a right to be healed physically, is not; it is an incorrect teaching.

Everybody is healed but not everyone is healed of everything. If I was not healed then I would be dead and not having this conversation. The resurrection power of God is already at work in our life. I personally do not know how many times God has raised me up from the dead. We need to do what we can to live right and avoid death. Paul talks about this when he says: "That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. Now if we judged ourselves properly, we would not come under judgment." (1cor11:30,31) I take the word MANY serious. Paul is telling us that MANY Christians become sick because they do not judge themselves properly.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I see you lean more towards predestination rather than free will. Saying the Jews needed to reject him is like saying Adam needed to disobey God and eat from the wrong tree.

Human beings must be given a legitimate choice. God foreknowing it does not mean "The Jews needed to reject Him".

Not at all - you seem to be taught a big misunderstanding of Scripture and of the power of God.
Since Yahuweh (God) SAID the JEWS would reject Jesus, it happened AS GOD SAID. God is NEVER wrong.

YOU said the OPPOSITE of what God said. So what you said is wrong.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I have already quote Scripture to you but I cannot make you agree with it.

I agree with all Scripture, as Yahuweh has Said to, always.

Your mis-understanding of what you quoted seems to be totally contrary to what God's Understanding is, therefore (not just in one post, but several including key and important points. Therefore, (I'm just guessing now), it seems that someone tickled your ears and persuaded you to believe what you believe , contrary to what God's Word says. i.e at best what you have repeatedly posted is from "doctrines of men", opposed to Scripture, apparently.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The Gospel of the Kingdom is for the Jews only.

Regardless if this is verified or not in your beliefs, you did not answer the questions in the post you quoted at all.

 

[Guojing]

Regardless if this is verified or not in your beliefs, you did not answer the questions in the post you quoted at all.

You asked me who was John writing to, and I replied to you, the Jews. Did I not answer your question?

 

[Guojing]

Not at all - you seem to be taught a big misunderstanding of Scripture and of the power of God.
Since Yahuweh (God) SAID the JEWS would reject Jesus, it happened AS GOD SAID. God is NEVER wrong.

YOU said the OPPOSITE of what God said. So what you said is wrong.

As I have said, you lean towards predestination rather than free will. That is why you conclude the way you did.

Be humble and respect people's views, no need to say things like "you are wrong". Your own beliefs may be faulty too, but you don't see me harping to you that you are wrong.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

As I have said, you lean towards predestination rather than free will. That is why you conclude the way you did.

This is wrong entirely. But thanks for repeating it again.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

You asked me who was John writing to, and I replied to you, the Jews. Did I not answer your question?

That was not your reply. You made a statement not related to the answer.

And you did not answer the questions.

 

[Guojing]

This is wrong entirely. Bu thanks for repeating it again.

So you also believe that Adam HAD to disobey God in the Garden?