‘It’s All Over’ — Donald Trump Cites Gordon Sondland’s Testimony as Impeachment Exoneration

[Aldebaran]

Actually, I tried to get you back onto the subject. You know, the whole false implication that aid was given to Ukraine with no questions asked.

Actually, my question was, "Where does it say that we're supposed to hand out $400,000,000 to other countries with no questions asked?" I didn't say it was given with no questions asked. Now, are you ready to answer my question, or are you going to misquote me, divert the topic, or simply offer up more distractions?

You'll remember it was the claim you then tried to change the subject away from with all of the leading questions.

Let me know when you're ready to answer my question, mmmkay?

 

[SimplyMe]

Which witnesses gave testimony of a specific CRIME during the impeachment hearings? I distinctly heard witnesses decline to name a CRIME.

Perhaps I missed it. Please provide citations. Thanks in advance.

When do witnesses ever give testimony of a specific crime? Witnesses are to provide "witness" as to the events they saw and heard. Witnesses are not expected to be legal experts and explain how what they saw fits the legal definitions of a crime, they are only expected to truthfully testify to what they saw and heard.

In this case, it is up to the members of Congress to determine, based on the testimony of the witnesses, to determine if the testimony they heard proves that the President is guilty of impeachable acts; just as in a criminal trial (or grand jury, which is more similar to the House proceedings) the jury would determine if the testimony was evidence of a crime -- and what crime (particularly with grand juries, which is the closest criminal jury to Impeachment by the House).

 

[SimplyMe]

Actually, my question was, "Where does it say that we're supposed to hand out $400,000,000 to other countries with no questions asked?" I didn't say it was given with no questions asked.

Who has claimed that we are supposed to give money with no questions asked? In this case, the government had already "asked the questions" and had approved giving the money to Ukraine.

To get technical, this is one of the big differences between Trump's actions and Biden's. In Biden's case, the government "asked the questions" and determined that further anti-corruption steps, including Ukraine firing their Chief Prosecutor, was needed. In Trump's case, the government had cleared sending the money to Ukraine but Trump decided, after approval was already granted, that he wanted additional steps -- having Ukraine investigate a political rival and the opposition party.

 

[Aldebaran]

Who has claimed that we are supposed to give money with no questions asked? In this case, the government had already "asked the questions" and had approved giving the money to Ukraine.

To get technical, this is one of the big differences between Trump's actions and Biden's. In Biden's case, the government "asked the questions" and determined that further anti-corruption steps, including Ukraine firing their Chief Prosecutor, was needed. In Trump's case, the government had cleared sending the money to Ukraine but Trump decided, after approval was already granted, that he wanted additional steps -- having Ukraine investigate a political rival and the opposition party.

Hunter Biden is not a political rival or an opposition party.

 

[SimplyMe]

Hunter Biden is not a political rival or an opposition party.

Where in the transcript does he say "Hunter Biden"?

 

[Aldebaran]

Where in the transcript does he say "Hunter Biden"?

Page 4, line 7--"Biden's son".

 

[SimplyMe]

Page 4, line 7--"Biden's son".

So what you are saying is Joe Biden is mentioned, in reference to his son? Hunter Biden is never named, except as Joe Biden's son? For your claim to fit, it also requires us to ignore the whole thing that was to be investigated is if Joe Biden used his governmental influence to get his son the job, and if he used his influence to stop an investigation into his son (and/or the company his son worked for).

 

[Aldebaran]

So what you are saying is Joe Biden is mentioned, in reference to his son? Hunter Biden is never named, except as Joe Biden's son? For your claim to fit, it also requires us to ignore the whole thing that was to be investigated is if Joe Biden used his governmental influence to get his son the job, and if he used his influence to stop an investigation into his son (and/or the company his son worked for).

Are you suggesting that "Biden's son" must be Joe Biden himself? Maybe Trump figured that Zelensky didn't know what Biden's son's name was, so he just referred to him as his son. Whatever the reason, Biden's son is Biden's son.

 

[SimplyMe]

Are you suggesting that "Biden's son" must be Joe Biden himself? Maybe Trump figured that Zelensky didn't know what Biden's son's name was, so he just referred to him as his son. Whatever the reason, Biden's son is Biden's son.

Except that he said "Joe Biden's son." If Trump really cared about Joe Biden's son, if he were really interested and had evidence of misdoing by the son, don't you think he'd mention the son by name, and know the name? Instead, he knows Joe Biden as a political opponent. The crimes he is interested in by "Joe Biden's son" are actually crimes that he believes were committed by Joe Biden.

In September (or even today) exactly what were the crimes that Republicans want investigated about Hunter Biden? Do any of them not involve wrongdoing by his father?

 

[Aldebaran]

Except that he said "Joe Biden's son." If Trump really cared about Joe Biden's son, if he were really interested and had evidence of misdoing by the son, don't you think he'd mention the son by name, and know the name? Instead, he knows Joe Biden as a political opponent. The crimes he is interested in by "Joe Biden's son" are actually crimes that he believes were committed by Joe Biden.

In September (or even today) exactly what were the crimes that Republicans want investigated about Hunter Biden? Do any of them not involve wrongdoing by his father?

Ah, I get it now. Joe Biden's son is Joe Biden. But since his son isn't a political rival, we have to ignore the "son" part and focus on the father because he's a political rival, and that makes it convenient as a way to spin the narrative to say that Trump was trying to get a political rival investigated, even though it was Biden's SON that was being talked about.

A more straightforward approach would be to realize that Biden's son is Hunter Biden.

No wonder the impeachment hearings are becoming less popular with the public.

 

[SimplyMe]

Ah, I get it now. Joe Biden's son is Joe Biden. But since his son isn't a political rival, we have to ignore the "son" part and focus on the father because he's a political rival, and that makes it convenient as a way to spin the narrative to say that Trump was trying to get a political rival investigated, even though it was Biden's SON that was being talked about.

A more straightforward approach would be to realize that Biden's son is Hunter Biden.

No wonder the impeachment hearings are becoming less popular with the public.

Not what I stated, at all. Please answer the question, what crimes was Trump interested in that Hunter Biden may have committed that did not involve his father?

 

[Aldebaran]

Not what I stated, at all. Please answer the question, what crimes was Trump interested in that Hunter Biden may have committed that did not involve his father?

The transcript is still there for you to read: https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

 

[SimplyMe]

The transcript is still there for you to read: https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

I take it you can't answer my question? Or at least don't want to? I understand, it is pretty obvious what Trump was looking for, between the transcript, his public comments, his campaign ads, and the testimony given to Congress.

 

[KCfromNC]

Actually, my question was, "Where does it say that we're supposed to hand out $400,000,000 to other countries with no questions asked?" I didn't say it was given with no questions asked.

If you're not asserting that it is relevant to the discussion at hand, why are you getting so upset that I'm not helping to take the thread off topic?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Actually, it comes down to the activity of the Saints of God. Keep marching forward, you praying Christians.

No worries. My prayers for justice to prevail and to see the con-artist and criminal currently occupying the White House impeached, removed from office, and thrown in prison are unceasing.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[NightHawkeye]

No worries. My prayers for justice to prevail and to see the con-artist and criminal currently occupying the White House impeached, removed from office, and thrown in prison are unceasing.

-CryptoLutheran

My prayers are for the news media to report factually, rather than being agenda driven.

Lady Justice is blind ... for a reason.

 

[KCfromNC]

My prayers are for the news media to report factually, rather than being agenda driven.

Interesting implication that this is true followed by zero evidence. Maybe the big off-topic picture in the post accidentally covered it up?

 

[Aldebaran]

If you're not asserting that it is relevant to the discussion at hand, why are you getting so upset that I'm not helping to take the thread off topic?

Why are you trying to make this about me now? I'm simply waiting for the answer to my question.

 

[Aldebaran]

I take it you can't answer my question? Or at least don't want to? I understand, it is pretty obvious what Trump was looking for, between the transcript,

Referencing Biden's son Hunter.

his public comments,

Specifics?

his campaign ads,

Specifics?

and the testimony given to Congress.

Hearsay.

 

[Aldebaran]

I take it you can't answer my question? Or at least don't want to? I understand, it is pretty obvious what Trump was looking for, between the transcript, his public comments, his campaign ads, and the testimony given to Congress.

What good is it for me to answer your question without referring you to the transcript? Then you'd say I'd need to back up my answer with proof, which is (wait for it)....in the transcript.