HELL IS NOT A SECRET TO BE KEPT

[Skidder]

And what of those who have NEVER heard? Without excuse. (I suppose you will say)

So now you're using the same argument the liberals use to deny God? Really, and that doesn't bother you?

God is just, and I believe everyone gets a chance to choose the one who paid the penalty over the penalty. There will be no innocence in hell since God has poured out Holy Spirit on all flesh and convicts them of their sin because of their unbelief.

John 16:8-9
And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me;

When these choices happen for some, I don't know? But the bible clearly says...

Collosians 1:21-23
And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which WAS PREACHED to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.

But you must understand there is no redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, outside of Christ, this is only IN CHRIST. If they choose NOT to be IN CHRIST by rejecting the The Lord Jesus Christ before they die? They are surely UNDER GOD'S WRATH and they will DIE IN THEIR SINS.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is IN CHRIST, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

Ephesians 1:7
IN HIM we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace

Colossians 1:14
IN WHOM we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.

John 3:36
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

John 8:24
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

 

[martymonster]

Well, if a fear based system works so well for the world....why wouldn't God use it too, right?

 

[Der Alte]

Acts 4:13
When they saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus.
2 Corinthians 10:12
We do not dare to classify or compare ourselves with some who commend themselves. When they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves with themselves, they are not wise.

So you are satisfied with Bible translations by unschooled, ordinary men? As long as the Bible supports your assumptions, presuppositions and biases.
Evidently you are not aware how these verses are meaningless rubbish in response to my question. Do you go to doctors, lawyers, accountants, etc. who are unschooled, ordinary men? Or do you expect any other professional you need to consult to have the proper education, training, license etc. Why do you make an exception for them but require no training or education for people who translate scripture? Apparently your only requirement for Bible translations is that they must reflect your assumptions, presuppositions and biases.

 

[Der Alte]

The only reason you think it is scriptural is because the Bible is a Damnationist biased text.
Who gave us the canon (collected writings) of the Bible? The Western/Latin state church, which was opposed to the original Eastern/Greek early church.

Meaningless argumentation since you cannot or will not provide any credible, verifiable, historical etc. evidence which supports any of your accusations. Do you happen to know how the Eastern Orthodox church has translated Gehenna? Your arguments remind me of the Democratic impeachment debacle. They can't provide any credible evidence either.

 

[Skidder]

It might have been a mix of both--if I misquoted you, I apologize. But as a whole, most children do not understand any scripture(even basic concepts, normally)unless it's been 'pre-chewed', in a sense. I simply wish that you wouldn't use that comparison since it's not very accurate and it will probably derail into another debate entirely.

What I post is not subject to your "wishes". I'm exposing the false hell of the ecumenical church, not tip toeing through the tulips.

 

[His student]

“A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise forever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.” Revelation 14:9-12

“I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.” Revelation 22:18-19

Just sayin.

 

[Skidder]

Well, if a fear based system works so well for the world....why wouldn't God use it too, right?

Fear from what? The bible clearly says they CHOOSE their own path. You act like those who choose hell are innocent. There will be no innocence in hell. Those who choose hell... HATE THE LIGHT, who is Christ. They hate the light, and don't want salvation from sin because their sin is more precious to them.

John 3:19-20
And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.

 

[Saint Steven]

Unfortunately you cannot provide any credible, verifiable, historical, grammatical, lexical etc. evidence that anything in the Bible e.g. KJV, RSV, ASV, NIV etc. is a lie.

Not to your biased requirements, no.
If we provide history, you claim it's not credible, or verifiable.
If we provide grammar, you claim it's not credible, or verifiable.
If we provide lexical, you claim it's not credible, or verifiable.
Your biased library is your fortress where you fight to uphold Damnationism.
No interest in the truth. Just more of the party line.

 

[Saint Steven]

So now you're using the same argument the liberals use to deny God? Really, and that doesn't bother you?

If you claim the liberals are ALWAYS wrong, you have lost touch with reality.

 

[Skidder]

If you claim the liberals are ALWAYS wrong, you have lost touch with reality.

"Socially moral" is a false doctrine under the category of “liberalism”. A term commonly used by the world (or worldly) in their hatred for Jesus Christ and His sacrifice for sin.

So what exactly are these “morals” they speak of since they dismiss the bible as untrue? Where is this mystical list of "morals" they cling to? Are they birthed from the same place that inspires... "pigs in a blanket", death to the unborn, “Jesus is not the way”, "no ban, no wall, sanctuary for all", kneeling during the anthem, burning the flag, violence against free speech, arson and looting during “peaceful protests”, tearing down of statues, antisemitism, defense of muslim terror, "the triggers pulled themselves", sanctuary for criminals, MS13 lovers, birthday suit confusion, and the list goes on and on... No thanks! They can keep their HIV (Hollywood International Version), but as for me and my house we will serve the LORD and embrace HIS WORD.

Let us not be deceived… sin is still sin even under the guise of a politically correct term called “liberalism”.

Ephesians 5:11
Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather EXPOSE THEM.

And because we are all sinners; we all need a Savior...

(((that Christ DIED for our SINS according to the scriptures, and that He was BURIED, and that He ROSE AGAIN on the third day according to the scriptures))) -1 Corinthians 15:3,4

This is the gospel that SAVES, this is the POWER OF GOD!!

“Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved"- Acts 16:31

 

[Saint Steven]

God is just, and I believe everyone gets a chance to choose the one who paid the penalty over the penalty. There will be no innocence in hell since God has poured out Holy Spirit on all flesh and convicts them of their sin because of their unbelief.

No you don't "believe everyone gets a chance to choose".
I asked you about those who have NEVER heard and you blew it off as the liberal position.
There are billions alive right now who have never heard. Will they hear before the pass into the afterlife? (nope) There's a liberal thought. Or should I say liberating?

 

[Saint Steven]

"Socially moral" is a false doctrine under the category of “liberalism”. A term commonly used by the world (or worldly) in their hatred for Jesus Christ and His sacrifice for sin.

My mistake, I thought Jesus taught us to be socially moral. What are you advocating?

Matthew 25:35-36
For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

 

[theoneandonlypencil]

What I post is not subject to your "wishes". I'm exposing the false hell of the ecumenical church, not tip toeing through the tulips.

Pardon me, but I said I wished you to not use that argument about children and scripture because it is not a very good one and I'd hate to see your good points get overshadowed by one bad one. It was just a suggestion. Also, because you seem to be very over-aggressive and stubborn; neither of which are good traits for a Godly person.

 

[Skidder]

My mistake, I thought Jesus taught us to be socially moral. What are you advocating?

Matthew 25:35-36
For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

I'm advocating exposing anyone who persecutes Christians and then hide's behind Satan's "political masquerade".

Definition of Masquerade: false outward show; facade; pretense: a hypocrite's masquerade of virtue.

Is it possible that good fruit is produced by those who persecute Christians? From those who demonize Christians because they won’t accept the liberal definition of sin? From those who proclaim that Jesus is not the only way? Those who preach against Christ Crucified with an ecumenical salvation? A salvation that proclaims there is more than one way to God?

Don’t be deceived by this new-age, progressive-liberal, false righteousness. When someone proclaims that Jesus is not the only way they contradict the very words of Christ Himself. They are proclaiming a false gospel by preaching against Christ as the only way of salvation. And the bible gives us a CLEAR TITLE for those who intentionally preach AGAINST CHRIST. They are ANTICHRISTS…

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Are we to ignore certain antichrist groups just because they hide behind political names like “progressive liberal”? Are these groups off limits for exposure because the world deems them as a “political group”? NO we are to EXPOSE them ALL, even under the guise of a false worldly title. Knowing that by exposing these titles we shine in the light of Christ and offer freedom for those who are trapped in these works of darkness.

Ephesians 5:11-14
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather EXPOSE THEM. For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret. 13 But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light. 14 Therefore He says:
“Awake, you who sleep,
Arise from the dead,
And Christ will give you light.”

Satan is very crafty, but we are not unaware of His schemes! Satan also likes to masquerade abortion as a “political issue”, and the sad part is many Christians have fallen into his deception. I hear it quite often by Christians when abortion is brought up, “I don’t want to discuss politics”. Sadly, they too have just fallen for Satan’s infamous POLITICAL MASQUERADE.

Don’t fall for his masquerade, stay protected by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and all His armor! Knowing that His armor is not separate from the finality of a sacrifice that occurred on a lonely Hill… IT IS FINISHED! And through His Resurrection our hearts are filled with His Glory… “Christ in us our hope of glory”!! We have the Spirit of God’s Son in our hearts that cries out “Abba Father”!! We have The Lamb of God, The Blessed Redeemer, The Prince of Peace, The Bright and Morning Star, The Resurrection and the Life, The Living Word! WE HAVE THE KING OF KINGS!!

Grace and Peace...

 

[Saint Steven]

I'm advocating exposing anyone who persecutes Christians and then hide's behind Satan's "political masquerade".

Seriously?
You have at least two topics running that are "persecuting" Christian Universalists. Get a grip.

Maybe you should expose yourself. Oops, that didn't come out right.

 

[Skidder]

Pardon me, but I said I wished you to not use that argument about children and scripture because it is not a very good one and I'd hate to see your good points get overshadowed by one bad one. It was just a suggestion. Also, because you seem to be very over-aggressive and stubborn; neither of which are good traits for a Godly person.

Your version of a "Godly person" and "over-aggressive". Your opinion is noted.

 

[Skidder]

Seriously?
You have at least two topics running that are "persecuting" Christian Universalists. Get a grip.

Maybe you should expose yourself. Oops, that didn't come out right.

Oh, I'm sure it came out right. Just like your false hell.

 

[Saint Steven]

When someone proclaims that Jesus is not the only way they contradict the very words of Christ Himself. They are proclaiming a false gospel by preaching against Christ as the only way of salvation.

Who is doing that? Sounds like a misunderstanding on your part.

 

[Saint Steven]

Your version of a "Godly person" and "over-aggressive". Your opinion is noted.

@theoneandonlypencil
Translation: Your opinion is worthless to the topic originator.

 

[theoneandonlypencil]

Your version of a "Godly person" and "over-aggressive". Your opinion is noted.

James 1:19 ESV
Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger;

Matthew 5:9 ESV
“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God."

James 4:6 ESV
But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”

Colossians 3:12 ESV
Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience,


In light of these verses, I can tell you with fair certainty that you definitely are not coming off as quick to hear, kind or humble. Regardless of how you intend it, you seem to come off as aggressive, stubborn, and with an inflated sense of importance in your own words. Perhaps in the Bible, religious figures such as Prophets, the Apostles, and Jesus Christ could righteously be aggressive in preaching the Gospel and rebuking others--and certainly, there are times when being as such is appropriate in these times. However, they had the direct voice of God guiding them; you, like the rest of us, are also just a helpless sinner. You preach the Gospel, but your theology was shaped by hundreds of men before you, wasn't it?

Galatians 6:1 ESV
Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.


'Your opinion' is also a very common argument used by gentiles when they do not want to hear the truth, just so you're aware.