HELL IS NOT A SECRET TO BE KEPT

[Shrewd Manager]

Then look what happens

“Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22:14-15‬ ‭NASB‬‬

The ones who reject Christ are still outside and not allowed to enter.

Yes, that's correct, nothing impure can enter in. But this is not a moment frozen in forever, it's dynamic, it's LIVE, it's the process of all things being renewed. So one by one, the reprobates overcome.

Hence the standing invitation and encouragement in Rev 22:17:

The Spirit and the bride say, "Come." And let the one who hears say, "Come." And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost.

So there's the deal, stay outside being tormented in the flesh, warring against the spirit of regeneration, or get thirsty, take a bath in Lamb's blood (life of Christ), the LoF (God's superabundant grace) and overcome, let the contemptible old man go, then the enter thru the ever-open pearly gates renewed in grace and truth for the fresh water. All the support and incentives are there. Come on, yous can do it!

And wherever the river goes, every living creature that swarms will live, and there will be very many fish. For this water goes there, that the waters of the sea may become fresh; so everything will live where the river goes. (Ez 47:10)

So get your net, go outside, and fish a few men out. Brother.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yes, that's correct, nothing impure can enter in. But this is not a moment frozen in forever, it's dynamic, it's LIVE, it's the process of all things being renewed. So one by one, the reprobates overcome.

Hence the standing invitation and encouragement in Rev 22:17:

The Spirit and the bride say, "Come." And let the one who hears say, "Come." And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost.

So there's the deal, stay outside being tormented in the flesh, warring against the spirit of regeneration, or get thirsty, take a bath in Lamb's blood (life of Christ), the LoF (God's superabundant grace) and overcome, let the contemptible old man go, then the enter thru the ever-open pearly gates renewed in grace and truth for the fresh water. All the support and incentives are there. Come on, yous can do it!

And wherever the river goes, every living creature that swarms will live, and there will be very many fish. For this water goes there, that the waters of the sea may become fresh; so everything will live where the river goes. (Ez 47:10)

So get your net, go outside, and fish a few men out. Brother.

The LOF is the Lamb’s blood? I’ve never contemplated this. I would have to do some examinations of the scriptures before I can comment. My first thought would be that the blood of Christ cleanses us of our sins and that I don’t see the LOF has that cleansing quality at all. There’s a big difference between total destruction, annihilation, or death and purification, restoration, or reconciliation. As for the passage you quoted in Ezekiel I see absolutely no similarities between the river that is mentioned or the LOF. I think that is quite a stretch of the imagination to come to that conclusion based on the description given in Ezekiel.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

As for the passage you quoted in Ezekiel I see absolutely no similarities between the river that is mentioned or the LOF.

No similarities? You're not reading very carefully.

Revelation 22:2 down the middle of the main street of the city. On either side of the river stood a tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit and yielding a fresh crop for each month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

Ezekiel 47:12 Along both banks of the river, fruit trees of all kinds will grow. Their leaves will not wither, and their fruit will not fail. Each month they will bear fruit, because the water from the sanctuary flows to them. Their fruit will be used for food and their leaves for healing."

Bingo!

And for a bonus round, where does the LoF come from? See Dan 7:9-10.

"I kept looking Until thrones were set up, And the Ancient of Days took His seat; His vesture was like white snow And the hair of His head like pure wool. His throne was ablaze with flames, Its wheels were a burning fire. A river of fire was flowing And coming out from before Him; Thousands upon thousands were attending Him, And myriads upon myriads were standing before Him; The court sat, And the books were opened.

Starting to put it all together, brother, or do you want names and addresses?

In him was life, the light of men. The light shineth in the darkness...

 

[Neogaia777]

The problem is people thinking they can judge other humans in a way or in ways that only God can...

And, also, do you believe the fire or fires, or the weeping and gnashing of teeth, or the "eternal" torment is to be taken very literally just as it is literally described to us...? or not...?

Cause I can guarantee you/it/they are not...?

I could tell you what I think it "really is" if you really want me to, and it's still very, very "scary" to me...?

I wonder if people who talk or preach or teach a lot about hell, and a very literal hell, so as to scare the hell out of other people, is not actually a trap to set them all up for going to hell...?

Anyway, it's food for thought anyway...

It would certainly fit with my theory on hell...

God Bless!

Hell is for persons staying here in these kinds of fallen realities, and that are or were never meant for anything more than that/this, ever, "forever"... They do not get to transcend or ever go or be or exist beyond this like the rest of us do, ever, etc, they were never meant to, etc...

They serve, for the rest of us, only a temporary purpose involving the rest of us here, and were never meant for anything more than ever, etc... Also, they were never really ever truly alive or living to begin with or in the first place, etc...

This is why some cannot be changed or their course cannot ever be changed, etc...

Anyway, that's what hell is...

So, it is described as an eternal tormenting fire or torment, or the continual state of continual weeping and gnashing of teeth, forever, etc... A fire that is continually burning you but does not consume you, etc, "eternal death", etc... They're spirits never leave this place, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Hell is for persons staying here in these kinds of fallen realities, and that are or were never meant for anything more than that/this, ever, "forever"... They do not get to transcend or ever go or be or exist beyond this like the rest of us do, ever, etc, they were never meant to, etc...

They serve, for the rest of us, only a temporary purpose involving the rest of us here, and were never meant for anything more than ever, etc... Also, they were never really ever truly alive or living to begin with or in the first place, etc...

This is why some cannot be changed or their course cannot ever be changed, etc...

Anyway, that's what hell is...

So, it is described as an eternal tormenting fire or torment, or the continual state of continual weeping and gnashing of teeth, forever, etc... A fire that is continually burning you but does not consume you, etc, "eternal death", etc... They're spirits never leave this place, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

Realities, like this one, will always exist, fallen ones, that are outside the gates of Heaven, and some people and spirits are only meant for that only, ever, forever, but not for the rest of us that are meant to go beyond it/that or them, and the ones that are not meant for that, are only involved in and for a temporary purpose involving the rest of us that are meant for or to or will go beyond it or that, or this or that, but they (the other ones) will be staying here, in these kinds of realities, forever...

It is like a lake of fire burning with fire and sulfur and ash, a place for the walking dead that were never truly alive in the first place, and were never really ever meant to be ever, etc, (truly alive, etc)... It is a place of eternal torment, full of pain and agony and sorrow and eternal misery and suffering and anguish, forever, eternally, a place of eternal weeping and gnashing of teeth, where peoples anger is forever kindled and fired like and eternal fire where all suffer eternally or are all set ablaze for it, etc, and full of lots and lots of weeping, and the people going back and forth between, forever, etc...

That's why the Bible is full of warnings for people who are living all for this life only and only rewards in this life only, and loving this life only, they will be "getting their reward in full", etc, in the end most especially, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

 

[Der Alte]

No similarities? You're not reading very carefully.
Revelation 22:2 down the middle of the main street of the city. On either side of the river stood a tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit and yielding a fresh crop for each month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.
Ezekiel 47:12 Along both banks of the river, fruit trees of all kinds will grow. Their leaves will not wither, and their fruit will not fail. Each month they will bear fruit, because the water from the sanctuary flows to them. Their fruit will be used for food and their leaves for healing."...

Similar is NOT identical. The Ezekiel account occurs in this world. The verses after your proof text identify the location.

Eze 47:15 And this shall be the border of the land toward the north side, from the great sea, the way of Hethlon, as men go to Zedad;
Eze 47:16 Hamath, Berothah, Sibraim, which is between the border of Damascus and the border of Hamath; Hazarhatticon, which is by the coast of Hauran.
Eze 47:17 And the border from the sea shall be Hazarenan, the border of Damascus, and the north northward, and the border of Hamath. And this is the north side.
Eze 47:18 And the east side ye shall measure from Hauran, and from Damascus, and from Gilead, and from the land of Israel by Jordan, from the border unto the east sea. And this is the east side.
Eze 47:19 And the south side southward, from Tamar even to the waters of strife in Kadesh, the river to the great sea. And this is the south side southward.
Eze 47:20 The west side also shall be the great sea from the border, till a man come over against Hamath. This is the west side.
Eze 47:21 So shall ye divide this land unto you according to the tribes of Israel.


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[BNR32FAN]

No similarities? You're not reading very carefully.

Revelation 22:2 down the middle of the main street of the city. On either side of the river stood a tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit and yielding a fresh crop for each month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

Ezekiel 47:12 Along both banks of the river, fruit trees of all kinds will grow. Their leaves will not wither, and their fruit will not fail. Each month they will bear fruit, because the water from the sanctuary flows to them. Their fruit will be used for food and their leaves for healing."

Bingo!

And for a bonus round, where does the LoF come from? See Dan 7:9-10.

"I kept looking Until thrones were set up, And the Ancient of Days took His seat; His vesture was like white snow And the hair of His head like pure wool. His throne was ablaze with flames, Its wheels were a burning fire. A river of fire was flowing And coming out from before Him; Thousands upon thousands were attending Him, And myriads upon myriads were standing before Him; The court sat, And the books were opened.

Starting to put it all together, brother, or do you want names and addresses?

In him was life, the light of men. The light shineth in the darkness...

Where is the reference to the LOF in Revelation 22? I don’t see any.

 

[FineLinen]

It is like a lake of fire burning with fire and sulfur and ash, a place for the walking dead that were never truly alive in the first place, and were never really ever meant to be ever, etc, (truly alive, etc)... It is a place of eternal torment, full of pain and agony and sorrow and eternal misery and suffering and anguish, forever, eternally, a place of eternal weeping and gnashing of teeth, where peoples anger is forever kindled and fired like and eternal fire where all suffer eternally or are all set ablaze for it, etc, and full of lots and lots of weeping, and the people going back and forth between, forever, etc...

God Bless!

Dear walking dead. You were never meant to be. We have exciting news for your poor miserable existance: the worse is yet to come.

Come in Lord Jesus Christ

"Come unto Me all you who labour and are heavy laden & I will give you rest"

 

[FineLinen]

Dear walking dead. You were never meant to be. We have exciting news for your poor miserable existance: the worse is yet to come.

Come in Lord Jesus Christ

"Come unto Me all you who labour and are heavy laden & I will give you rest"

Dear Father have you a word for the walking dead?

He heals the brokenhearted and binds up their wounds.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Where is the reference to the LOF in Revelation 22? I don’t see any.

I still haven't been able to find that teaching on the unforgivable sin, will keep looking, we live in hope.

 

[Der Alte]

I still haven't been able to find that teaching on the unforgivable sin, will keep looking, we live in hope.

Matthew 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.​

This was spoken by Jesus and this one verse totally destroys the UR argument.