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Col 3:9
Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices

Joh 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father‘s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Lev 19:11 "’Do not steal. "’Do not lie. "’Do not deceive one another."

Re 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.

Re 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars— their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.

And by the way, lying involves not only the intention to deceive. A lie occurs when one says anything which is false regardless of whether one does so intentionally to deceive or not. Thus Christians should be diligent to check out the facts as to what is actually true and false and not gullibly rely upon mindless indoctrinationand end up lying concerning things of which they are ignorant. Then they can be more confident when they claim they are "speaking the truth in love" Eph 4:15a
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And by the way, lying involves not only the intention to deceive. A lie occurs when one says anything which is false regardless of whether one does so intentionally to deceive or not. Thus Christians should be diligent to check out the facts as to what is actually true and false and not gullibly rely upon mindless indoctrination and end up lying concerning things of which they are ignorant.


"Intention to deceive" is part of the formal definition of lying.
Sorry.
 
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"Intention to deceive" is part of the formal definition of lying.
Sorry.
Just like ignorance of the law is no excuse, so also saying things that are false because you didn't do your research is also no excuse.

1John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
 
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Just like ignorance of the law is no excuse, so also saying things that are false because you didn't do your research is also no excuse.

1John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
Yah.....that's not what it says about lying.

It says "If we say that we have fellowship with Him"
and then we do not do what we say
then
we are lying.

What is lying?
verb (used without object), lied, ly. · ing. to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.

Again entomology wins every time.
And research:
What Does the Bible Say About Lying?

Not one passage that equates ignorance with lying.
 
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Yah.....that's not what it says about lying.

It says "If we say that we have fellowship with Him"
and then we do not do what we say
then
we are lying.

What is lying?
verb (used without object), lied, ly. · ing. to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.

Again entomology wins every time.
There are those who sincerely don't believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. (Such as the apostle Paul prior to his conversion) Yet it says.

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ?

So regardless of their sincerity the Bible still classifies them as liars.

Better to rely upon the Bible to define what the Bible means rather than dictionaries.
 
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There are those who sincerely don't believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. (Such as the apostle Paul prior to his conversion) Yet it says.

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ?

So regardless of their sincerity the Bible still classifies them as liars.

Better to rely upon the Bible to define what the Bible means rather than dictionaries.
Still your ignorance definition fails.
Keep trying!
 
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Still your ignorance definition fails.
Keep trying!
Paul says, "Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief." 1Ti 1:13

Paul had denied Jesus is the Christ at that time. The Bible says, "Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ?" Paul says he did it in ignorance.

Therefore it is proven that people can be ignorant that they are liars.
 
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Paul had denied Jesus is the Christ at that time. The Bible says, "Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ?" Paul says he did it in ignorance. Therefore it is proven that people can be ignorant that they are liars.

According to Thayer's Greek Lexicon, ψεύστης, which is translated "liar," can also mean "one who breaks faith, a false or faithless man." So, it seems like the "liar" the Apostle John refers to is one who had originally known the truth, rather than someone who is ignorant of the truth.
 
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According to Thayer's Greek Lexicon, ψεύστης, which is translated "liar," can also mean "one who breaks faith, a false or faithless man." So, it seems like the "liar" the Apostle John refers to is one who had originally known the truth, rather than someone who is ignorant of the truth.
As you say "in can also mean", which is not to restrict the word to that meaning alone. As for 1John 2:22 you hypothesize that John is referring to people who used to believe that Jesus is the Christ but now deny he is the Christ. Yet there's nothing in the context to indicate that restriction.
 
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As for 1John 2:22 you hypothesize that John is referring to people who used to believe that Jesus is the Christ but now deny he is the Christ. Yet there's nothing in the context to indicate that restriction.
Excellent. Let's review the context:

18 Little children, it is the last hour. As you have heard that the antichrist will come, even now there are many antichrists. By this we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have remained with us. But they went out, revealing that none of them were of us. 20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. 21 I have written to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is a liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? Whoever denies the Father and the Son is the antichrist.

If "they went out from us" they they had known the truth.

I would agree with you that a preacher who doesn't check the facts before giving a sermon is a liar. I wouldn't uphold unbelievers to the same standard, it doesn't matter whether they're liars or not. They're unredeemed anyway.
 
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All liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 21:8).
A believer who lies is still a liar and they will perish unless they seek forgiveness with the Lord and forsake such a sin.

Example: Ananias and Sapphira lied to the Holy Ghost, and they both instantly dropped dead. This was God's judgment against believers. They were once saved, but they lost their salvation by their sin of lying to the Spirit. A great fear came upon the church and all who heard about it. Now, why would the church fear? If they were never saved, they would not be in fear. If they were saved and safely in the arms of Jesus, the emotion of fear would be misplaced. Christians are not to fear death. To live is Christ and to die is gain. The only reason why the church feared is if they themselves could also fall away from God's grace via by some kind of similar sin.
 
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