LDS Is Jesus White?

[Peter1000]

President Wilford Woodruff stated: “I say to Israel, The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as president of the Church to lead you astray. It is not in the program. It is not in the mind of God.”
(The Discourses of Wilford Woodruff, selected by G. Homer Durham [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1946], pp. 212-213.)

...President Marion G. Romney tells of this incident which happened to him:
I remember years ago when I was a Bishop I had President [Heber J.] Grant talk to our ward. After the meeting I drove him home. . . .Standing by me, he put his arm over my shoulder and said: “My boy, you always keep your eye on the President of the Church, and if he ever tells you to do anything, and it is wrong, and you do it, the Lord will bless you for it.” Then with a twinkle in his eye, he said, “But you don’t need to worry. The Lord will never let his mouthpiece lead the people astray.” [In Conference Report, October 1960, p. 78]...

Sixth: The prophet does not have to say “Thus saith the Lord” to give us scripture.
Sometimes there are those who haggle over words. They might say the prophet gave us counsel but that we are not obligated to follow it unless he says it is a commandment. But the Lord says of the Prophet Joseph, “Thou shalt give heed unto all his words and commandments which he shall give unto you” (D&C 21:4; italics added).
Fourteen Fundamentals to Follow the Prophet - BYU Speeches

It's safer to follow the true Savior.

The true Savior is telling the true prophets what to say.

 

[Peter1000]

What Bible are you reading? The one that isn't true? My Bible is the word of God and the words grace and gracious are abundantly used.

My bible is the word of God and the works grace and gracious are abundantly used, but Jesus does not use the word "grace". I am not pulling your leg.

 

[Rescued One]

The true Savior is telling the true prophets what to say.

Which of your 17 prophets do you consider false?

 

[Rescued One]

My bible is the word of God and the works grace and gracious are abundantly used, but Jesus does not use the word "grace". I am not pulling your leg.

Your Bible isn't God's word? You said it is. Jesus is God.

 

[mmksparbud]

My bible is the word of God and the works grace and gracious are abundantly used, but Jesus does not use the word "grace". I am not pulling your leg.

No, He doesn't, He shows it. from way back.
Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
And it was Jesus, for it was Jesus that crated everything and it is Jesus that said
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

 

[Peter1000]

No, He doesn't, He shows it. from way back.
Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
And it was Jesus, for it was Jesus that crated everything and it is Jesus that said
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Yes he shows it, but his doctrine was not OSAS. His doctrine tells us that we must believe in him to have eternal life, which is absolutely true. But he also tells us other things we must do to have eternal life. These things you ignore, and then you point me to John 3:16, as if that is the only thing one must do to be saved. It is not, per Jesus.

 

[Peter1000]

Your Bible isn't God's word? You said it is. Jesus is God.

Sorry Jesus is one of the God's of the Godhead. The Godhead is made up of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Jesus is only one of those 3. And those 3 Gods are 1 God.

 

[drstevej]

The Godhead is made up of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Jesus is only one of those 3. And those 3 Gods are 1 God.

Heavenly Mom again doesn't have a seat at the table. Is she/She white?

 

[mmksparbud]

Yes he shows it, but his doctrine was not OSAS. His doctrine tells us that we must believe in him to have eternal life, which is absolutely true. But he also tells us other things we must do to have eternal life. These things you ignore, and then you point me to John 3:16, as if that is the only thing one must do to be saved. It is not, per Jesus.

Up to a point---:
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?


Yes, you will have works---but they do not save you--they are the end product of salvation. They follow naturally from a changed heart that loves God and all that God has created. You can not make up a list of "works to be saved by"---The works that follow will be those that the changed heart will do and that the Holy Spirit will lead you to do. God alone can judge the heart.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

You can do all sorts of wonderful works, but when done with the unchanged heart, will mean nothing in the eyes of God. In other words, Mother Theresa's many acts of kindness and self denial are wonderful, but if she did them in order to be saved, without any real love for God or man--they mean nothing to God and He alone will know.

The same goes for keeping the commandments. If not done out of a changed heart that loves God and man---they add up to nothing. God is not interested in those who look good on the outside, but only in what is going on in the heart. There is nothing else in this world that can save you but a heartfelt relationship with God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and if you do not know the real ones----you do not know and worship the real God and that will get you nowhere also. Like I said---even the rocks can keep the commandments!

 

[mmksparbud]

Sorry Jesus is one of the God's of the Godhead. The Godhead is made up of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Jesus is only one of those 3. And those 3 Gods are 1 God.

And there is only 1 and if you worship a false one---it does you no good for only in knowing the real the Father, Son and Holy Spirit can you be saved. No man that became a god can save you---only knowing the everlasting one can. You can not pray to a fake God and expect salvation. You have to have the real one abiding in the heart.

 

[Rescued One]

President Joseph F. Smith said: "We are precisely in the same condition and under the same circumstances that God our heavenly Father was when he was passing through this, or a similar ordeal" (Gospel Doctrine, p. 64).
Search These Commandments, Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, Copyright 1984, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, p. 154

 

[Rescued One]

The New Testament teaches that Christians become children of God by adoption. Mormons teach that those verses refer to being adopted as children of their god called Jesus thus making him our father as well as our brother. They don't eliminate their heavenly father. He is said to be our father, too:

"That by obedience to the gospel men may become sons of God, both as sons of Jesus Christ, and, through Him, as sons of His Father, is set forth in many revelations given in the current dispensation."
The Father and the Son

 

[He is the way]

The New Testament teaches that Christians become children of God by adoption. Mormons teach that those verses refer to being adopted as children of their god called Jesus thus making him our father as well as our brother. They don't eliminate their heavenly father. He is said to be our father, too:

"That by obedience to the gospel men may become sons of God, both as sons of Jesus Christ, and, through Him, as sons of His Father, is set forth in many revelations given in the current dispensation."
The Father and the Son

There is only one way back to the Father and that is through the atonement of His Son Jesus Christ. We are members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints and resent being called Mormons. We are not members of the church of Mormon. There is no such church.

 

[mmksparbud]

There is only one way back to the Father and that is through the atonement of His Son Jesus Christ. We are members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints and resent being called Mormons. We are not members of the church of Mormon. There is no such church.

After 200 years of calling yourselves Mormons, it may take just as long to get used to yourselves calling yourselves by a different name. Until recently you even called your websites that.

 

[dzheremi]

There is only one way back to the Father and that is through the atonement of His Son Jesus Christ. We are members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints and resent being called Mormons. We are not members of the church of Mormon. There is no such church.

Oh, like fun you 'resent' it. You just go along with whatever your latest, oldest prophet, seer, and bloviator tells you to. You resent it because they say you have to now. Where was the 'resentment' from Mormons in 2014 when the documentary film/propaganda piece Meet The Mormons was released? You remember that one, right? The one that was produced by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints?

As if 2014 was forever ago and we all have the collective memory of goldfish with head injuries just because you have been told to make an issue out of this thing that was not an issue for anyone even just a few years ago (though I've looked around enough to know that this is one issue that does seem to raise its head every few decades...perhaps when membership in the English-speaking world is flat-lining?). Get outta here with that silliness.

 

[He is the way]

Oh, like fun you 'resent' it. You just go along with whatever your latest, oldest prophet, seer, and bloviator tells you to. You resent it because they say you have to now. Where was the 'resentment' from Mormons in 2014 when the documentary film/propaganda piece Meet The Mormons was released? You remember that one, right? The one that was produced by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints?

As if 2014 was forever ago and we all have the collective memory of goldfish with head injuries just because you have been told to make an issue out of this thing that was not an issue for anyone even just a few years ago (though I've looked around enough to know that this is one issue that does seem to raise its head every few decades...perhaps when membership in the English-speaking world is flat-lining?). Get outta here with that silliness.

Yes I have a memory and it is of a scripture right out of the Book of Mormon:

(Book of Mormon | 3 Nephi 27:3 - 9)

3 And they said unto him: Lord, we will that thou wouldst tell us the name whereby we shall call this church; for there are disputations among the people concerning this matter.
4 And the Lord said unto them: Verily, verily, I say unto you, why is it that the people should murmur and dispute because of this thing?
5 Have they not read the scriptures, which say ye must take upon you the name of Christ, which is my name? For by this name shall ye be called at the last day;
6 And whoso taketh upon him my name, and endureth to the end, the same shall be saved at the last day.
7 Therefore, whatsoever ye shall do, ye shall do it in my name; therefore ye shall call the church in my name; and ye shall call upon the Father in my name that he will bless the church for my sake.
8 And how be it my church save it be called in my name? For if a church be called in Moses' name then it be Moses' church; or if it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man; but if it be called in my name then it is my church, if it so be that they are built upon my gospel.
9 Verily I say unto you, that ye are built upon my gospel; therefore ye shall call whatsoever things ye do call, in my name; therefore if ye call upon the Father, for the church, if it be in my name the Father will hear you;

Mormon was indeed a prophet of God as was Moses and we were nicknamed Mormons because of the Book of Mormon, but the official name of the church is "The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints" of which I am a member. There is NO "Church of Mormon" nor has there ever been such a church. When I signed up to post on the Christian forum there was no ability to say I was a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints option, not even an LDS one only Mormon so I had to use that one. There probably is no other possibility even now.

 

[dzheremi]

Alright, disregarding the fact that the Book of Mormon is full of baloney, the funny about this is that there are literally dozens of churches named after Jesus Christ. So any one of those could point to your scripture and say that they followed the command therein.

So why is it your religion in particular that is right?

 

[Rescued One]

by Gordon B. Hinckley 1947


by Doyle L. Green 1967

 

[He is the way]

Alright, disregarding the fact that the Book of Mormon is full of baloney, the funny about this is that there are literally dozens of churches named after Jesus Christ. So any one of those could point to your scripture and say that they followed the command therein.

So why is it your religion in particular that is right?

Because of these scriptures:

(New Testament | 2 Timothy 3:1 - 7)

1 THIS know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

(New Testament | Revelation 14:6)

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

(Book of Mormon | Ether 4:10 - 12)

10 And he that believeth not my words believeth not my disciples; and if it so be that I do not speak, judge ye; for ye shall know that it is I that speaketh, at the last day.
11 But he that believeth these things which I have spoken, him will I visit with the manifestations of my Spirit, and he shall know and bear record. For because of my Spirit he shall know that these things are true; for it persuadeth men to do good.
12 And whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do good is of me; for good cometh of none save it be of me. I am the same that leadeth men to all good; he that will not believe my words will not believe me—that I am; and he that will not believe me will not believe the Father who sent me. For behold, I am the Father, I am the light, and the life, and the truth of the world.

 

[He is the way]