My latest chart (number 3)

[Douggg]

Do you consider Preterism a man made doctrine?

It depends on what specific part of Preterism.

 

[Douggg]

I updated my chart to show the armies which gather at Armageddon and consequently destroyed by Jesus at His Return.

 

[BABerean2]

I updated my chart to show the armies which gather at Armageddon and consequently destroyed by Jesus at His Return.

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In the text below we have Christ coming as a thief.

We have a reference to Armageddon.

The 7th angel pours out his vial, and a voice from heaven says "It is done."

We also find the greatest earthquake in history, which destroys the cities of the nations, and moves every island out of its place, and destroys the mountains.

This is the Second Coming of Christ.


Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

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[keras]

In the text below we have Christ coming as a thief.

Think: BaB!
Does the Day the heavens open and Jesus appears riding a white horse, accompanied by the heavenly angelic army, relate to Him coming as a thief?

It seems that only when the great and terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath happens; the actual time He will come unexpectedly, will you and all those deceived by false teachings and gross misunderstanding of the prophesies, finally realize your mistake.

The reference to an unexpected event in Revelation 16:15, is just an admonition for us to keep awake, to keep strong in our faith and watch for the succession of events as prophesied.

 

[Douggg]

In the text below we have Christ coming as a thief.

When the three alliances of north, south, and east attack the beast near the end of the 7 years, the event of the 6th seal will be totally unexpected. At the 6th seal is the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. Matthew 24:30a.

BaB2, the chart is accurate. Just read the text annotated with each action.

We have a reference to Armageddon.

The 7th angel pours out his vial, and a voice from heaven says "It is done."

The armies of the world will gather at Armageddon, in order to make war on Jesus, because of the 6th seal event will terrorize them of coming judgement by the Lamb. They assemble their armies over the course of the 45 days, including taking the Jews in Jerusalem as hostages in Zechariah 14.

The final vial of God's wrath is poured out in the 7th vial, and then Jesus and His armies of heaven descend down to earth, Jesus's Return.

I show the 7th vial on my chart, and the earth splitting into three sections. Easier to see if you click on that part of my chart to zoom-in.

 

[BABerean2]

The armies of the world will gather at Armageddon, in order to make war on Jesus, because of the 6th seal event will terrorize them of coming judgement by the Lamb. They assemble their armies over the course of the 45 days,

There will be no more ordinary days after the end of Revelation chapter 16.

What happens to this planet after the worst earthquake in history, when the islands are moved out of their places, and all of the mountains are destroyed?

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[Douggg]

There will be no more ordinary days after the end of Revelation chapter 16.

What happens to this planet after the worst earthquake in history, when the islands are moved out of their places, and all of the mountains are destroyed?

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After Jesus returns, there is going to have be a restoration of the earth.

 

[BABerean2]

After Jesus returns, there is going to have be a restoration of the earth.

Not this earth, based on what Peter said below.
The fire comes at His return.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


This agrees with what Paul said below.

2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

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[Douggg]

This agrees with what Paul said below.

All of the text of the bible agrees with itself. What doesn't agree, as in this case, is by what manner the reader understands how it agrees. Correct me if I am wrong, but don't you consider the Day of the Lord as a 24 hour period?

At the crux of the matter is how long is the Day of Lord. The Day of the Lord once it has begun has no end.

The 2Thessalonians2:4 act triggers the beginning of the Day of the Lord. It will begin like a thief in the night because it will be totally unexpected, the act committed by the Antichrist. King of Israel at the time.

When Jesus returns to this earth with his saints is Paul's referral in 2Thessalonians1:17. In Revelation, it is in Revelation 19.

Peter's referral takes place at the end of the thousand years, in Revelation 20:11.

 

[iamlamad]

Hi Marilyn,

I have the cleansing of the temple at the end of the 2300 days, based on Daniel 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

What does cleansing of the temple actually mean? It means removing those things that will have made it desolate.

There are three things that will make the temple desolate (in chronological order).

1. the Transgression of Desolation act by the Antichrist sitting in the temple

Then added to by:

2. the Abomination of Desolation statue image placed in the temple

Then added to by:

3. the statue image incarnated by Satan.

Those three things are removed the day that Jesus returns. The beast and false prophet cast alive into the lake of fire. The statue image turned to ashes, and Satan cast into the bottomless pit. The 1335 days end on that same day.
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Why do the 1290 days end on the sixth seal day?

Based on the sixth seal, the biggest event since creation - the Revealing of Jesus in great power and glory before the throne of God in heaven, the very universe parted in half. The immensity of that event demands that the 1290 days from when the AoD setup is the countdown to that day. That leaves 45 days until the end of the 1335 days.

The entire universe is going to be shaken and moved aside. The third heaven where God's throne is, is going to take up the sky. It is going to be the most amazing event ever.
It is unmeasurable in it immensity.

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The 42 months you have mentioned is on my second chart, which I have posted before...(you can click on the chart to zoom it in, to make the small print it more readable)

(I note the 42 months next to Day 1263.5)
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Until you figure out that the 2300 days was for Antiochus' desecration of the temple, you will always be off. I doubt if you will figure that out until you get to heaven.

 

[Douggg]

Until you figure out that the 2300 days was for Antiochus' desecration of the temple, you will always be off. I doubt if you will figure that out until you get to heaven.

Whether Daniel 2, 7, 8, 9, 11, they all gap to the end times.

 

[iamlamad]

Whether Daniel 2, 7, 8, 9, 11, they all gap to the end times.

As I said, you will not find the truth until you arrive in heaven.
Anyone can make the bible say most anything if they are willing to pull verses out of their context - which is exactly what you have done in Dan. 8.

 

[Douggg]

As I said, you will not find the truth until you arrive in heaven.
Anyone can make the bible say most anything if they are willing to pull verses out of their context - which is exactly what you have done in Dan. 8.

What makes you think "time of the end" in Daniel 8:17 is out of context?

17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

 

[BABerean2]

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't you consider the Day of the Lord as a 24 hour period?

The "Day of the Lord" is the day Christ returns to planet earth, as described in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Peter 3:10-13, and Luke 21:25-28, and numerous other passages.

I have no idea how many hours will be in it, because time as we know it is going to cease to exist on that day.

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[Douggg]

I made an annotation to my chart of "Satan having a time, times, half times left". It is within the period of the great tribulation (day 1185 - 2520).

The two witnesses killed on day 1260, then 3 1/2 days later come back to life, rise to heaven, then the 7th trumpet sounds and the war in the second heaven takes place (Revelation 12:7-9). Leaving Satan with a time, times, half time left for the remainder of the great tribulation.

 

[BABerean2]

The two witnesses killed on day 1260, then 3 1/2 days later come back to life, rise to heaven, then the 7th trumpet sounds and the war in the second heaven takes place (Revelation 12:7-9). Leaving Satan with a time, times, half time left for the remainder of the great tribulation.

Why did you ignore the "wrath", and the "time of the judgment of the dead", and "reward" for the Saints, and destruction for others in Revelation 11:18?
These are found between the two events in your post above.

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[Douggg]

Why did you ignore the "wrath", and the "time of the judgment of the dead", and "reward" for the Saints, and destruction for others in Revelation 11:18?
These are found between the two events in your post above.

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Why do you continue asking the same question? The wrath is the bowls of wrath poured out after the 7th trumpet sounds. The time of judgement for the saints and prophets is the judgement seat of Christ for believers for rewards for what they have done for the cause of Christ taking place in heaven while the world goes through the time, times, half time that Satan is cast down down to earth from the second heaven.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

 

[keras]

Why do you continue asking the same question? The wrath is the bowls of wrath poured out after the 7th trumpet sounds. The time of judgement for the saints and prophets is the judgement seat of Christ for believers for rewards for what they have done for the cause of Christ taking place in heaven while the world goes through the time, times, half time that Satan is cast down down to earth from the second heaven.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Unless you can show the specific scripture that say ANYONE goes to heaven for rewards*, then your beliefs above and your 'chart' are all just so much speculation and false teaching. Take note of Matthew 16:27
* The two Witnesses go to heaven, but as this is just prior to Jesus Returning, they may not stay there for any time.

Everyone alive at the time of the Great Tribulation; the final 3 1/2 years, will be here to experience it. But the faithful Christians will be taken to a place of safety on earth for all of that time. Revelation 12:14

 

[Douggg]

Unless you can show the specific scripture that say ANYONE goes to heaven for rewards*, then your beliefs above and your 'chart' are all just so much speculation and false teaching. Take note of Matthew 16:27
* The two Witnesses go to heaven, but as this is just prior to Jesus Returning, they may not stay there for any time.

Everyone alive at the time of the Great Tribulation; the final 3 1/2 years, will be here to experience it. But the faithful Christians will be taken to a place of safety on earth for all of that time. Revelation 12:14

Where do you think Jesus is during the great tribulation? Here on earth? Or in heaven?

 

[BABerean2]

Why do you continue asking the same question?

Because you continue to ignore Revelation 11:18 to make your chart work.

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