Donald's legal team wants to overturn Watergate decision...

[joshua 1 9]

No, he didn't. This is a lie propagated by Donald and his minions.

Then people should not be worried if Trump want to investigate him. They seem to be worried because they are doing all they can to stop the investigation on Biden and his sons. This is kind of a silly way to run an election, but that seems to be the way things are going right now. We all know they are corrupt. That is no secret to anyone that power corrupts.

 

[DaisyDay]

The house has the power, not the committee. They are trying to claim they have that power independent of the house but they do not.

The House has the power to impeach. The committee is not doing an impeachment.

Committees do have the power to investigate matters under their purview. Are you seriously unaware that Congressional committees have investigations all the time?

 

[DaisyDay]

Then people should not be worried if Trump want to investigate him.

If there were evidence of wrongdoing then the Department of Justice should be doing the investigation. The president is not supposed to sic the police on his personal enemies because they pose a political threat at the ballot box.

They seem to be worried because they are doing all they can to stop the investigation on Biden and his sons.

The "investigation" was being done secretly by the president's personal lawyer who has no government function. Diplomatic channels were being used to facilitate this private investigation. US taxpayer monies were being withheld from our allies until they agreed to investigate Donald's rival - then the transcript of the phone call was secreted away on a server reserved for state secrets - not Donald's wrongdoings.

Only one son is under suspicion by the right-wing; the other one died a few years ago.

This is kind of a silly way to run an election, but that seems to be the way things are going right now. We all know they are corrupt. That is no secret to anyone that power corrupts.

If you believe "they" are corrupt, then why do you object to Donald being investigated on the matter? Do you think he is the one exception?

 

[stevil]

The constitution does not give the speaker of the house the power to impeach.

Impeachment will go to a vote in the House.

But they are currently doing what comes before the vote - an impeachment investigation.

You don't need a vote in the House on whether to do an impeachment investigation

 

[TLK Valentine]

It's not, strictly speaking, a requirement. But maybe she will when the House reconvenes on the 15th. Until then it is not possible because the House is not in session. Those who are demanding a vote right now are either appallingly ignorant or just trying to make trouble.

Do we have to pick just one?

 

[JohnAshton]

The constitution does not give the speaker of the house the power to impeach. The whole house has to vote and they are not doing that because they know that they would be defeated and this whole scam would be exposed. I do not know why people do not recognize what a joke this is. Perhaps they do not realize how desperate the liberals are, grasping at straws trying to defend their failing policies. I understand they want to hold on, but you can not hold onto a vapor and a mist.

That's your opinion only, joshua 1 9, not the law or the Constitution.

Pelosi is perfectly OK with both in how she is doing it.

 

[SimplyMe]

Impeachment article one section two says that the house has to be in agreement. Ultimately they have to have a 2/3 majority to impeach. The process needs a majority to proceed with their investigation. They do not have a majority vote so they can not proceed until they get a majority vote. Good luck trying to get anyone anywhere to agree on anything. The whole thing is absurd because everyone knows they could never come up with a 2/3 vote to actually impeach a president. Clinton knew this and he knew he had nothing to worry about when they tried to impeach him. The Speaker of the house does not have the power to impeach or even investigate. The house has to vote on that before they can proceed with their investigation. The fact that they can not secure a majority vote show that they are grasping and straws and they have nothing.

So much wrong -- such as only a simple majority in the House is needed to impeach. The Senate is the one that needs 2/3rds to convict and remove the President from office. This article might help you understand better, such as this tidbit: "First, the Congress investigates. This investigation typically begins in the House Judiciary Committee, but may begin elsewhere. For example, the Nixon impeachment inquiry began in the Senate Judiciary Committee." There is no legal requirement that the full House vote to open an impeachment inquiry.

We'll see where the investigation goes: at this point it seems fairly certain that Trump will be Impeached, the question is if the Senate will convict to remove him from office -- though the odds on that seem to be going up by the day.

 

[Speedwell]

Impeachment article one section two says that the house has to be in agreement. Ultimately they have to have a 2/3 majority to impeach. The process needs a majority to proceed with their investigation. They do not have a majority vote so they can not proceed until they get a majority vote. Good luck trying to get anyone anywhere to agree on anything. The whole thing is absurd because everyone knows they could never come up with a 2/3 vote to actually impeach a president. Clinton knew this and he knew he had nothing to worry about when they tried to impeach him. The Speaker of the house does not have the power to impeach or even investigate. The house has to vote on that before they can proceed with their investigation. The fact that they can not secure a majority vote show that they are grasping and straws and they have nothing.

The House can't vote because they are not in session. Individual committees are dong their investigative work, which they are allowed to do while the house is not in session, and depending on the results of these investigations there may be a formal vote on an impeachment inquiry after the House reconvenes next Wednesday. And that will just be a vote to hold an official impeachment inquiry, not a vote on whether to actually impeach. A further vote will be required to actually impeach. Impeachment itself requires a simple majority vote in the House. Conviction requires a 2/3 vote in the Senate.

 

[Allandavid]

It's definitely an interesting time we live in. I always seem to think about what the USA's alternative is?

You have about 330 million alternatives in the US. ANY of them would be preferable to this dangerous embarrassment...

 

[joshua 1 9]

Individual committees are dong their investigative

They are investigating Trump for investigating Biden. If Trump should not have investigated Biden, then it is equally wrong for them to investigate him. Without having a vote. If they are not in session then they should wait to do the investigation. It is all a bunch of political mumbo jumbo that really does not add up to a whole lot of anything. Actually Trump is the one that started this whole thing of tearing the opponent down to make himself look good. So if that is what he is going to do then he has set the pace for them to do whatever they can to make him look bad.

 

[joshua 1 9]

You have about 330 million alternatives in the US. ANY of them would be preferable to this dangerous embarrassment...

No one else is dangerous enough to really do something to solve the issues and problems that confronts us.

 

[joshua 1 9]

The Senate is the one that needs 2/3rds to convict and remove the President from office.

Exactly and that ain't gonna happen. So the whole thing is designed to try to do something to make Trump look bad.

 

[wing2000]

They are investigating Trump for investigating Biden. If Trump should not have investigated Biden, then it is equally wrong for them to investigate him. Without having a vote. If they are not in session then they should wait to do the investigation. It is all a bunch of political mumbo jumbo that really does not add up to a whole lot of anything. Actually Trump is the one that started this whole thing of tearing the opponent down to make himself look good. So if that is what he is going to do then he has set the pace for them to do whatever they can to make him look bad.

They are investigating Trump for having a phone call where the President used his executive power to ask the leader of a foreign country to investigate a potential political opponent. No mumbo jumbo involved. It's there in black and white.

 

[joshua 1 9]

You don't need a vote in the House on whether to do an impeachment investigation

Of course you do. The speaker does not have that authority. That is what they do is they vote on various issues and they need to vote on this issue to see if they have enough to warrant an investigation.

 

[Tom 1]

Then why has he not been found guilty in court?

Well the fairly obvious answer to that is that he and his personal legal team are doing everything they can to prevent any effective investigation into his various suspect dealings. Before a court appearance there is an investigation, leading to charges, leading to court, as in any other case.

 

[joshua 1 9]

President used his executive power

The speaker of the house is abusing her power right now. Looks to me like she is the guilty one, not Trump. Besides all things being equal, why it is ok for them to investigate him but he is not allowed to investigate Biden. That is the usual liberal nonsense where they do not want to play by the same rules. Liberals are in for a rude awakening when they realize that they have to play by their own rules. They can not impose standards on others that they are not willing to follow themselves.

 

[wing2000]

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The speaker of the house is abusing her power right now. Looks to me like she is the guilty one, not Trump. Besides all things being equal, why it is ok for them to investigate him but he is not allowed to investigate Biden. That is the usual liberal nonsense where they do not want to play by the same rules. Liberals are in for a rude awakening when they realize that they have to play by their own rules. They can not impose standards on others that they are not willing to follow themselves.

You're deflecting again.

As others have informed you repeatedly, an impeachment inquiry can be started without a vote of the House. The Constitution simply grants sole power to the House to impeach government officers. It does NOT dictate that a vote must be taken to initiate an impeachment inquiry.

A vote to impeach (after the House Committees have finished investigating and article(s) of impeachment are filed), can be done with a simple majority vote in the House.

If anyone is in for awakening, it's Donald Trump. By refusing to cooperate, he is setting up an impeachment article based on obstruction of justice-- on that alone, the House could vote to impeach....

 

[stevil]

Of course you do. The speaker does not have that authority. That is what they do is they vote on various issues and they need to vote on this issue to see if they have enough to warrant an investigation.

Where is your reference on what the "correct" procedure is here?

 

[SimplyMe]

The speaker of the house is abusing her power right now. Looks to me like she is the guilty one, not Trump.

Again, where does it state that the House must have a vote before starting an Impeachment investigation? Even the Nixon Impeachment started prior to a vote of the full House, that came a couple of weeks later.

Besides all things being equal, why it is ok for them to investigate him but he is not allowed to investigate Biden.

Because the Constitution grants the House the power to investigate and impeach the President. US Law specifically prohibits candidates from working with foreign governments to benefit their campaigns -- and this was an investigation by Trump's personal lawyer, with no connection to any investigation by the government. In fact, the DoJ put out a memo stating that Trump never talked to Barr about calling Ukraine or opening an investigation into the Bidens.

That is the usual liberal nonsense where they do not want to play by the same rules. Liberals are in for a rude awakening when they realize that they have to play by their own rules. They can not impose standards on others that they are not willing to follow themselves.

Sorry, an investigation empowered by the Constitution is in no way similar to asking a foreign government to help your personal lawyer to investigate a political opponent. The former is empowered by the Constitution, the latter is against the law.

 

[SimplyMe]

Exactly and that ain't gonna happen. So the whole thing is designed to try to do something to make Trump look bad.

We'll see what happens. It wouldn't happen today but the dam is slowly breaking. The story of Trump attempting to stop an investigation for one of Giuliani's clients won't help. Nor will Trump using Nixon's tactics to obstruct the impeachment investigation. We'll see what comes out of the investigation. Like a dam, if enough cracks appear you'll suddenly see most Republican Senators saying they'll impeach.