Outcome of impeachment

[jayem]

Sort of. Disqualification from holding office is not automatic. It needs to be positively imposed by the Senate. There is currently a Congressman who was once a federal judge before being impeached and removed from office.

Yes, that is correct. Although the exact language of Article I, Sec. 3 is a bit vague:

Judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States: but the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law.

I suspect it could be argued that being elected to Congress is a state prerogative. And it might not be an "office of honor, trust or profit under the United States." But even so, if a President removed from office by impeachment was elected to Congress, the House or Senate could refuse to seat him.

 

[jayem]

If the President is impeached, but not convicted, it could be politically positive. That was proven by Bill Clinton. Who left office with something like a 65% approval rating. But Bill Clinton was a charming rogue. Donald Trump is a loathsome one.

 

[His student]

Maybe we should just let president who admitted to crimes on national television off the hook, just for you!

What crimes are those?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Sort of. Disqualification from holding office is not automatic. It needs to be positively imposed by the Senate. There is currently a Congressman who was once a federal judge before being impeached and removed from office.

true, but as I've mentioned elsewhere, if Congress does remove a president for the first time in history, I suspect they're going to go whole hog...

After all, it'll require a large number of the GOP to turn on him, and if they're going to do that, they might as give him one last middle finger as they're showing him towards the door.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Impeachment will never happen.

To bad that was not one of the choices in this poll?

M-Bob

This would be best, and better still if all the political positioning with all the costs and deception by all sides would just turn to matters that are important and needed.

But politics usually doesn't care, does it? (they go for the money instead)

 

[TLK Valentine]

This would be best, and better still if all the political positioning with all the costs and deception by all sides would just turn to matters that are important and needed.

But politics usually doesn't care, does it? (they go for the money instead)

"You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office." -- Senator Lindsey Graham.

If honor and integrity aren't important and needed, then what is?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

"You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office." -- Senator Lindsey Graham.

If honor and integrity aren't important and needed, then what is?

There has never been much if any honor nor integrity in any party in any politics in the world (nor in entertainment, nor in religion, etc etc etc).
DOn't trust slg.

 

[TLK Valentine]

There has never been much if any honor nor integrity in any party in any politics in the world (nor in entertainment, nor in religion, etc etc etc).

Then it's an unattainable goal, and what's the point of trying? What a downer...

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Then it's an unattainable goal, and what's the point of trying? What a downer...

Yes, for all the doomed world, only down, down, down....

The way of truth, righteousness, and life is the only escape.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yes, for all the doomed world, only down, down, down....

The way of truth, righteousness, and life is the only escape.

...did we just agree that this was an impossible, and therefore pointless, pursuit?

 

[charsan]

God bless President Trump and may God stop the evil that the Democrats plan against the President.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

...did we just agree that this was an impossible, and therefore pointless, pursuit?

Yes.

 

[SimplyMe]

There has never been much if any honor nor integrity in any party in any politics in the world (nor in entertainment, nor in religion, etc etc etc).
DOn't trust slg.

I can't agree with this -- and I think this attitude is much of what is wrong in US politics today. I think we can start by looking at many of the Founders, who may have disagreed politically, but had honor and integrity. Lincoln seems to be another. I believe Carter had honor and integrity, even if I disagreed with much of his politics.

No, not everyone in politics acts with honor and integrity. OTOH, I recall Reagan and Tip O'Neill -- they would fight each other politically but both seemed to act honorably and with mutual respect.

This is one of the reasons I've had a huge issue with Trump, he seems (at times) to want to tear down people with honor and integrity if they disagree with him, along with his supporters. And, to be fair, we see many of the same issues with Democrats recently. Of course, it also seems that I'm seeing less and less honor and integrity from "we the people" -- and if we don't have it, of course we aren't going to be insisting that are leaders act that way.

 

[TLK Valentine]

God bless President Trump and may God stop the evil that the Democrats plan against the President.

Doesn't a person have to ask for God's blessing in order to receive it?

Or is that just forgiveness?

Or is it not even that anymore?

 

[wing2000]

There has never been much if any honor nor integrity in any party in any politics in the world (nor in entertainment, nor in religion, etc etc etc).
DOn't trust slg.

...then why are you participating in political forum?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yes.

Then what do you live for?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I can't agree with this -- and I think this attitude is much of what is wrong in US politics today. I think we can start by looking at many of the Founders, who may have disagreed politically, but had honor and integrity. Lincoln seems to be another. I believe Carter had honor and integrity, even if I disagreed with much of his politics.

No, not everyone in politics acts with honor and integrity. OTOH, I recall Reagan and Tip O'Neill -- they would fight each other politically but both seemed to act honorably and with mutual respect.

This is one of the reasons I've had a huge issue with Trump, he seems (at times) to want to tear down people with honor and integrity if they disagree with him, along with his supporters. And, to be fair, we see many of the same issues with Democrats recently. Of course, it also seems that I'm seeing less and less honor and integrity from "we the people" -- and if we don't have it, of course we aren't going to be insisting that are leaders act that way.

People have , it seems, idolized politics, and continually seek human government INSTEAD OF GOD'S GOVERNMENT. (like Israel did).

Just like in the TORAH, PROPHETS, PSALMS and NEW TESTAMENT<
there
were a few who had integrity,
while they remained a few,
even as Jesus says.

The real point is trust Yahuweh, the Creator, and not man/mankind/ man's strength nor man's knowledge nor man's ways nor man's wisdom....

Yahuweh is faithful always, and a true deliverer.

Mankind (as a whole) is (and has been) corrupt.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

...then why are you participating in political forum?

Why did Jesus speak to the religious leaders who sought to kill Him ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Then what do you live for?

What do/did all the Ekklesia live for ?

 

[wing2000]

Of course, it also seems that I'm seeing less and less honor and integrity from "we the people" -- and if we don't have it, of course we aren't going to be insisting that are leaders act that way.

...and they won't act with integrity if they are not held accountable.

Our founders anticipated such leaders and made a provision for the people to act....via their Representatives in Congress. Either we collectively hold the President accountable - or we don't...

My children already ask me - almost on a daily basis now - how is it that a man with no character ever got elected to the highest office of our land?

I have no answer....