Democrat representative Ilhan Omar files for divorce from husband amid affair allegations

[Mountainmanbob]

That, AFTER we go after Biden and Obama for being the real strong arms toward the Ukrainian president. After all... it isn't like Joe didn't admit it....




You'll want to fast forward to 51:30 if it doesn't go there automatically.

Joe put his foot in his mouth (again).
I think he holds some kind of record?

M-Bob

 

[cow451]

Noting that she's the one who sought fame and glory claiming moral superiority over the president.

That certainly didn’t require much work.

 

[Tanj]

Not sure what your point is. Biden got his unqualified son hired for 50K a month.

Biden didn't get him hired, and he wasn't unqualified.

The company was corrupt and was being investigated by a prosecutor.

The company was corrupt but was NOT being investigated.

Biden (and Obama? Biden's own words drag him in...) tells the Ukrainian president that unless that prosecutor is fired, his country won't get a 1 billion dollar loan from the US. 6 hours later that prosecutor was fired and they got their money.

Biden enacted US policy on behalf of the president to remove a corrupt prosecutor.

So what the media is claiming Trump did (which he didn't do, we have the transcript of the phone call, just read it) is EXACTLY what Biden did. The crime is on Biden, not Trump.

Enacting US policy to remove a corrupt prosecutor is different from asking a foreign power to advance the president's personal and political gain.

And even if all of the lies you presented in this post were true, there is no law on this planet that says what X did wasn't illegal because Y did it too.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Biden didn't get him hired, and he wasn't unqualified.






The company was corrupt but was NOT being investigated.



Biden enacted US policy on behalf of the president to remove a corrupt prosecutor.



Enacting US policy to remove a corrupt prosecutor is different from asking a foreign power to advance the president's personal and political gain.

And even if all of the lies you presented in this post were true, there is no law on this planet that says what X did wasn't illegal because Y did it too.

Wish we didn't have to explain how it works!
Take care of me by taking care of my son.
No one will ever know.
M-Bob

 

[Tanj]

Wish we didn't have to explain how it works!

Wish you had even the slightest inkling of how it works!

Take care of me by taking care of my son.
No one will ever know.
M-Bob

Didn't happen. You are just believing lies.

 

[SimplyMe]

Wish we didn't have to explain how it works!
Take care of me by taking care of my son.
No one will ever know.
M-Bob

I'm guessing you must have evidence?

In not, this is just your view of "how the world works," I'll be interested in you asking Trump to be investigated for the deals Ivanka got from China -- particularly those when she was there as an envoy representing the US.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

I'm guessing you must have evidence?

In not, this is just your view of "how the world works," I'll be interested in you asking Trump to be investigated for the deals Ivanka got from China -- particularly those when she was there as an envoy representing the US.

Proff in the pudding.
Story on the news.
M-Bob

 

[SimplyMe]

Proff in the pudding.
Story on the news.
M-Bob

So, in other words, you have no evidence.

 

[DaisyDay]

Not sure what your point is.

What part of "Biden was doing his job implementing official policy" is so hard to understand?

Biden got his unqualified son hired for 50K a month.

That's false on more than one level. Hunter Biden got the job through his investment business buddy, not his dad. He had a law degree from a good school and business experience. What qualification was he lacking for his position?

The company was corrupt and was being investigated by a prosecutor.

It was supposed to be investigated by this prosecutor, but Shokin seemed to be more interested in bribery (receiving) than rooting out corruption. He let the investigation lapse. Hunter Biden was hired as part of Burisma's cleanup campaign.

Biden (and Obama? Biden's own words drag him in...) tells the Ukrainian president that unless that prosecutor is fired, his country won't get a 1 billion dollar loan from the US. 6 hours later that prosecutor was fired and they got their money.

Of course, Obama was on board with the decision as was the State Department, IMF and our EU allies! This was official US policy - which seems to be the point you have such a hard time grasping no matter how often it is repeated. Biden did not come up with this policy all on his own like some rogue player.

Furthermore, the prosecutor that replaced the corrupt Shokin did investigate Burisma.

So what the media is claiming Trump did (which he didn't do, we have the transcript of the phone call, just read it) is EXACTLY what Biden did. The crime is on Biden, not Trump.

No, it is not. Why? Biden was following US policy; Donald was acting against it. The money had already been appropriated by Congress and approved by the State Department when Donald, all on his own, withheld it until Zelensky agreed to work with Donald's personal lawyer against Donald's personal political rival as a favor. Biden was rooting out corruption; Donald was implementing his own.

 

[NightHawkeye]

You mean like Gingrich? Not only was he having an affair with a Congressional staffer, behind the back of his sick wife, he did it while holding impeachment hearings against Clinton -- he also claimed moral superiority over Clinton. Of course, after Gingrich stepped down as Speaker, he was replaced by Bob Livingston -- who resigned on the day the impeachment vote was taken because of various affairs he had over the course of at least a decade.

Whataboutism.

Of course, since you brought the matter up, these guys resigned. Are you saying that it would be appropriate for Ilhan Omar to resign as well?

 

[DaisyDay]

Wish we didn't have to explain how it works!
Take care of me by taking care of my son.
No one will ever know.
M-Bob

Your story doesn't hold water.
Sure, there is some nasty innuendo, but the timeline and, well-known facts just contradict this smear campaign.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Noting that she's the one who sought fame and glory claiming moral superiority over the president.

She took the easiest possible route.

 

[Cimorene]

Is this thread meant to be a scorecard for the divorces of Trump and other politicians? Ok so for once Trump is the true winner.

 

[Always in His Presence]

How about if we leave the divorce out of it. She has three children - they were married, divorced and married a second time - how about if we just give them some privacy in that area -

 

[SimplyMe]

Whataboutism.

Of course, since you brought the matter up, these guys resigned. Are you saying that it would be appropriate for Ilhan Omar to resign as well?

I'm just amazed that, under Gingrich and until about 2015, Republicans were the Champions of Morality." In 2015, they took the Democrats line of voting for a "President, not a Preacher" -- and they continue to support Trump despite (and maybe in cases, because of) his lack of morals. Yet, suddenly, because it is a Democrat, Republicans are suddenly the moral party again? I think I'm getting whiplash from the sudden "morality" changes, as Republicans defend Trump and talk about the personal life of a Democrat.

And why did Gingrich resign? Seemingly it is because of the Republican's poor performance at the ballot box in 1998. Yes, he resigned, stating he was "not willing to preside over people who are cannibals," since it appeared he would not be selected by Republicans to continue as Speaker. The facts about his affair weren't revealed until much later; he didn't resign for for being immoral.

 

[Ken Rank]

Where is the evidence for this -- no one else seems to have seen it. Instead, it appears that Biden got the job after being "recommended" by his venture capital business partner Devon Archer. I put recommended in quotes because, from what I have read it was more like Archer lobbying Burisma to hire Hunter Biden.

Again, it is a Republican talking point that Hunter Biden was not qualified. He had a law degree, as well as experience in a major law firm, and "overseeing" their legal department, particularly internationally was what Burisma wanted Biden to do.



Yes it was under investigation for activities that occured 2 years before Biden joined the firm. As such, Biden himself was not under any type of investigation, nor has he ever been accused of any crime for his serving on Burisma's board.



Yes, because the prosecutor was corrupt and not investigating Burisma. Not only was Obama involved, the DoJ, State, and the CIA all agreed and signed off on conditioning the loan on corruption efforts in the Ukraine; as well as most of our European allies. In fact, even the Republicans were "in on it," such as this letter, signed by Republican Senators.

Our best information, at the time, is that the prosecutor was corrupt, so basically everyone agreed he needed to be fired -- this wasn't some move Biden just did, nor was he even the first to suggest it. Even if it turns out the prosecutor was not corrupt, as he is now trying to claim, it doesn't change the fact of why the decision was made and what was "known" at the time it occurred.



Nope, Trump asking the Ukrainian President is quite clearly part of the call. Quid Pro Quo appears to be implied -- but we'll learn more about that as the investigation continues. There are already text messages that have come out, which appear to state there was clearly a quid pro quo deal. While Trump's stating that he'll have Barr call Ukraine to investigate is rendered moot by the fact Trump never told Barr to call Ukraine, not even to start an investigation into the Bidens.

Again, there have been investigations by the US and Ukraine into the Bidens, with no wrongdoing found. Sure, if there is real evidence now, let us investigate though the proper channels -- not by having the Ukraine doing some independent investigation led by the President's personal lawyer. Instead, most of the evidence would be here, in the US. So the DoJ/FBI would start an investigation and, if leads take them to the Ukraine, they can use the treaty we have with Ukraine for helping us in our investigations.

Regardless, however, if the Bidens are innocent or guilty; the fact is that Trump was asking the President of Ukraine for a "favor," in asking for Ukraine government help in the investigation underway by his private lawyer. That is both corrupt, as well as against the law.

We have the transcripts of what Trump said, what the media is saying he said and what he said are not equal. And, we have a vice president ON VIDEO admitting to threatening a president of another country to make sure he fires a prosecutor IN THAT COUNTRY and you are actually defending him? Be honest, don't read this looking for something to reply to... what would you think if the Chinese president threatened to withhold exporting to this country unless we fire John Creuzot who is the District Attorney in Dallas county, Texas? That would be a form of blackmail and it would be interfering with the sovereignty of another country. Nobody would stand for that! And yet, you and others like you are making excuses for Biden blackmailing another country and interfering with their sovereignty.

 

[Ken Rank]

Biden didn't get him hired, and he wasn't unqualified.

He had zero experience in the energy field and it looks now like it was 167K a MONTH rather than 50K a month. If you really don't think his daddy's position is the only reason he got that job... then I have some land I would like to sell you.

The company was corrupt but was NOT being investigated.

UH, yes it was. The fired prosecutor was investigating it and that is why Biden (daddy) blackmailed their president by threatening to without a billion in loans. Watch the video... he admits it.

Biden enacted US policy on behalf of the president to remove a corrupt prosecutor.

That was investigating a corrupt company that employed Biden's son for 167K a month.

And even if all of the lies you presented in this post were true, there is no law on this planet that says what X did wasn't illegal because Y did it too.

I didn't lie and it is blackmail and interfering with the sovereignty of another country. If you think that is ok... then think that. I don't and won't so save your breath.

 

[Ken Rank]

What part of "Biden was doing his job implementing official policy" is so hard to understand?
That's false on more than one level. Hunter Biden got the job through his investment business buddy, not his dad. He had a law degree from a good school and business experience. What qualification was he lacking for his position?

It was supposed to be investigated by this prosecutor, but Shokin seemed to be more interested in bribery (receiving) than rooting out corruption. He let the investigation lapse. Hunter Biden was hired as part of Burisma's cleanup campaign.

Of course, Obama was on board with the decision as was the State Department, IMF and our EU allies! This was official US policy - which seems to be the point you have such a hard time grasping no matter how often it is repeated. Biden did not come up with this policy all on his own like some rogue player.

Furthermore, the prosecutor that replaced the corrupt Shokin did investigate Burisma.

No, it is not. Why? Biden was following US policy; Donald was acting against it. The money had already been appropriated by Congress and approved by the State Department when Donald, all on his own, withheld it until Zelensky agreed to work with Donald's personal lawyer against Donald's personal political rival as a favor. Biden was rooting out corruption; Donald was implementing his own.

And like the others, you seem ok with blackmail ("I told him, he ain't getting the billion in loans unless he fires that prosecutor. And SOB, 6 hours later, guess what?") which is also interfering with the sovereignty of another country. Like I asked another... if the Prez of China said, "No more exporting to the US unless you fire the District attorney of ____ city" by your reasoning, that would have to be acceptable when we both know it isn't. Have a nice day.

 

[SimplyMe]

We have the transcripts of what Trump said, what the media is saying he said and what he said are not equal.

Yes, we have the transcript where Trump explicitly asks the Ukrainian president to investigate one of Trump's political rivals -- that alone is illegal and, most would say, an abuse of power. We are told from the whistleblower report, which to this point the parts that are verified appear to be true (as well as more whistleblowers allegedly coming), that there is more coming. For example, the texts released show that more was going on behind the scenes.

For example, while Trump mentions Barr multiple times in the call, that he wants Ukraine to work with AG Barr and that he'll have Barr call -- Trump never told Barr or asked him to open an investigation. His personal attorney was also mentioned, and Trump also requested they work with his personal attorney -- who actually was investigating. Do you not see how that is corrupt?

And, we have a vice president ON VIDEO admitting to threatening a president of another country to make sure he fires a prosecutor IN THAT COUNTRY and you are actually defending him?

Yes, we were worried about corruption in that country and that prosecutor was known to be corrupt.

Be honest, don't read this looking for something to reply to... what would you think if the Chinese president threatened to withhold exporting to this country unless we fire John Creuzot who is the District Attorney in Dallas county, Texas? That would be a form of blackmail and it would be interfering with the sovereignty of another country. Nobody would stand for that! And yet, you and others like you are making excuses for Biden blackmailing another country and interfering with their sovereignty.

Not an equivalent analogy. We weren't trying to stop trade, we were talking about giving them a loan. Additionally, the issue was not "firing a DA," it was to work on stopping corruption. Can you see why we might be worried about corruption when giving another country a loan -- particularly when there are reports today that much of the money is unaccounted for, that it likely ended up in a politicians pocket?

Yes, their national prosecutor (not a local one) was determined to be corrupt: Biden was not the one that suggested his firing, or even spearheaded it; it was widely known the prosecutor was corrupt, including our European allies. The condition for the loan was signed off on by the DoJ, the CIA, and the State Department -- all thought it was necessary. Most of the European countries also agreed with the action. In fact, even Republican Senators supported it -- this was not some personal or partisan effort.

 

[Kentonio]

And like the others, you seem ok with blackmail ("I told him, he ain't getting the billion in loans unless he fires that prosecutor. And SOB, 6 hours later, guess what?") which is also interfering with the sovereignty of another country. Like I asked another... if the Prez of China said, "No more exporting to the US unless you fire the District attorney of ____ city" by your reasoning, that would have to be acceptable when we both know it isn't. Have a nice day.

The US blackmails other countries all the time. Its not illegal in the slightest when its being done to further US interests. It only becomes illegal when a US official is doing it to further his own personal interests. Like having his political opponents investigated by a foreign power.