Catholic miracles defy any explanations

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Men of Israel, listen to this message: Jesus of Nazareth was a man certified by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know...God has raised this Jesus to life, to which we are all witnesses.
Acts 2: 22, 32

Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
John 14:12

This was a great argument for the claims of Christ. He performed miracles, wonders, and signs, which certified that He was sent by God. On top of that, God has raised Jesus from the dead, and the apostles are witnesses of this. But this happened 2,000 years ago. Eyewitness testimony has lost its impact over this much time. But God, in His mercy, has given us even more amazing miracles within just the last two centuries, even some miracles that are still going on. The only problem is that these miracles are with the Catholic faith. But they certify that Jesus is the Son of God. Here are the highlights.

1. Miracle of the dancing sun in Fatima

It may seem odd that the sun is moving, since we know that the sun is stationary, at least in reference to the earth. Any actual, sudden movement of the sun would be a catastrophic to our solar system. And yet this is supported in the Bible, where God caused the sun to stand still (Joshua 10:12-14). In the case in Fatima and in the Book of Joshua, it is not that the sun was actually seen to dance or that the sun stood still. It is what the people observed. God can bend the sun's light rays so that it appears that the sun is dancing or that sun has stood still. It miracle is the bending of the sun's rays that makes it appears to us as dancing or standing still.

In 1917 the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to three children several times at Fatima, Portugal. The last visit there were over 70,000 onlookers. But only the children could see and hear our Lady. One of the children, Lucia, then pointed up at the sky and shouted "Look at the sun!". The sun started to move around the sky, and started coming towards them. The people started to scream, thinking it being the end of the world. Then the sun went back in place.

Mind you, these were over thousands of people who witnessed this phenomenom. Critics say that this was a case of a mass hallucination. The problem with this is that people who lived in Fatima but did not go to the site and yet that they saw the movement of the sun. Not only that, the movement of the sun was even in the secular newpaper the next day.

How the Miracle of the Sun dazzled the sceptics | Catholic Herald

2. Incorruptible bodies of dead saints

Bodies of dead Catholic saints have decayed little or not at all! Critics explain this by saying that their bodies were preserved because they were buried in a dry place. But in many cases, these bodies were buried with other bodies of those who were not saints. The others were nor preserved.
My favorite is St Bernadette. Although she died 150 years ago, she looks as if she is just sleeping! See image below.

Bernadette.jpg




3. Miracle of our Lady of Guadalupe

Mary appeared to a Mexican peasant over two hundred years ago. She wrapped some roses in a tilma (a Mexican cloak made of burlap) to give to the bishop. When the bishop saw this, he saw an image of Mary painted on the tilma.

In the past century, the Catholic Church allowed experts to investigate. Artists tried to duplicate the image on other tilmas, but on burlap the paint would run together. Scientist discovered that the pigments was not any pigments on earth. What is even more amazing is that scientists magnified Mary's eyes and found that the pupils contained images of people! How could any artist 500 years ago do anything such as that?

https://magiscenter.com/the-science-or-lack-thereof-behind-juan-diegos-tilma/

4. Eucharistic miracles

There are many eucharistic miracles, but my favorite has been the miracle in Lanciano, Italy, which happened 500 years ago. the priest accidentally dropped the Eucharist on the floor while giving communion. It no longer appeared as a host but as a piece of meat. The church has had it on display since then.

This past century, the Church has allowed scientists to examine this. It found that this meat was tissue from a person who recently died, and yet this was on display for centuries!

5 Extraordinary Eucharistic Miracles that Left Physical Evidence (With Pictures!) | ChurchPOP

5. Stigmata

Many saints have had the stigmata - who have deep wounds on their hands and possibly also their feet. This points back to our Savior having nails driven through His nails and feet. The earliest stigmatic I can recall was St Francis of Assisi. The latest has been St. Padre Pio in the last century. The Catholic Church at that time thought that St Pio induced these wounds on himself. Because of this, he was forbidden to give Mass. But thousands came to see him. After he died, the wound on his hands immediately healed.

Mystery of Padre Pio´s Stigmata Analyzed by Scientist - ZENIT - English

6. Venerable Solanus Casey And St. Andre Bissette

This monk was not considered to be intelligent enough to offer Mass or to hear Confessions. So he was just given the job of a receptionist. But he talked to people as they came to visit the monastery. He prayed over them. And miracles started to happen. People all over the country came to Detroit to get healed! This happened just this past century.
Metro Detroiters share their miraculous memories of Father Solanus Casey

Also, the same thing can be said of Brother Andre in Canada.

Brother André: The Rocket Richard of miracles


7. Healings at Lourdes

In the 1800's Mary commanded a peasant girl at Lourdes to dig in the ground with her hands. Water started to seep out. Eventually, the water became a huge lake. And when people bathed in the water, many of them were healed. Even people to this day come to Lourdes for healing. The Church is very careful about declaring these to be real healings. They have a panel of doctors to examine each one. These doctors would be sceptics in most cases. If they can explain any healing with a scientific explanation, then the Church would not declare it to be an actual miracle. There are at least 70 cases that have no scientific explanation. This does not mean that the others were not miracles - it only means that it is possible that there is some other explanation. There have been those who say that they have debunked these miracle. But as with the resurrection of Christ, these debunking seem to me to stem from an anti-supernaturalistic bias (or, in case of these Catholic miracles, it could also be an anti-Catholic bias).

The Lourdes miracle that brought a Nobel prize-winning doctor to faith

This peasant girl was St Bernadette, who has the corruptible body I mentioned above.

Even if one or two of these can be explained away (which I do not think can be done), it is difficult to explain away all seven of these miracles. These miracles validate the claims of the Catholic faith. But more importantly, it attests the truth claims of Christianity. There is no other religion that can attest of miracles that can come even close to these.

Also, I want to point out that there are also many miracles within Orthodoxy as well. I am not too familiar with them so I did not mention them. But in browsing them on the internet, I found them to be impressive.
 
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If these are true, what purpose do they serve? The blind are not being made to see or the tide of battle turned towards the army that is fighting against injustice. Not on account of incorruptible corpses or bleeding communion hosts, etc.

It has been suggested that Catholics are turned on by such things, their faith thus strengthened.

By comparison, Protestants do not look for such events to prove to them that the promises of the Bible are trustworthy.
 
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If these are true, what purpose do they serve? It has been suggested that Catholics are turned on by such things, their faith strengthened.

By comparison, Protestants do not look for such events, etc. to prove to them that the promises of the Bible are trustworthy.

That is not true at all. I was a Protestant evangelical for 15 years and it was miraculous events that happened two thousand years ago that I was told proved to me that the my faith was trustworthy, such as the eyewitness testimonies of the resurrection of Christ and the Old Testament prophecies fulfilled in the person of Jesus Christ. One the first Evangelical books I had read then was "Evidence That Demands a Verdict" by Josh McDowell. Look it up on Amazon. It has 4 1/2 stars from its reviewers. McDowell even wrote a sequel. Evidently, there are many Protestants who want assurance that their faith is valid.

Evangelicals love to read books that proves to them that their faith is reasonable. Or how about the book "How Reliable is the Bible?" by Judson Poling and Lee Strobel? Or "Reasonable Faith" by Dr. William Lane Craig? There are many popular books that are written to Protestants to prove that their faith is valid.

Now, I am not knocking this. I think that this is great. Without this, then we are just depending on our feelings to know that our faith and our Bible is trustworthy. We need objective reasons why we believe what we believe.
 
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Other Christian bodies claim miracles too.

First of all, I am not discounting that there is truth in other Christian bodies. The Catholic Church teaches that many Protestants will be in heaven. So I have no problem in believing that God works in other Christian bodies. So can there be miracles in other Christian bodies? YES!

Second of all, from my Catholic perspective, only the Catholic Church has the FULLNESS of truth. So even though God does work some miracles in other Christian bodies, they are not of the full magnitude as the miracles I listed. Is there a Protestant miracle that is similar to the sun dancing or incorruptible bodies? I was a Protestant for 15 years, and around 5 of those years I was a Pentecostal (Assemblies of God). And even though Pentecostalism professes to still believe that miracles are for today, I never saw or heard of anything that even comes close to these miracles I just listed.
 
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Men of Israel, listen to this message: Jesus of Nazareth was a man certified by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know...God has raised this Jesus to life, to which we are all witnesses.
Acts 2: 22, 32

Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
John 14:12

HI we are told to test the spirits to see if they are of God and warned that there are lying signs and wonders and told that Satan disputed about the body of Moses. When I look at your list I see the Fatima was an angel of light appeared mmm where did I see that? Satan himself can transform himself into an angel of light. What is the fruit of this appearance. Many have devoted themselves to Mary above Jesus and the move to call her coredemptress and mediatrix of all grace. Even more telling is Guadalupe where she requested a Cathedral for her own honor. Here is the accusation against Lucifer.
“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,[fn] son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.

Being like the most high and now we see Mary seeking her own honor where there is nothing prophetic about this and yet we see Satan ultimately coming as possessing the beast and is the same guy as 2 thess 2. 1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ[fn] had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin[fn] is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God[fn] in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.....8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

You see in Rev 5 no one was found worthy to take the scroll and loose the seals and John wept then the one like a lamb that had been slain was declared worthy to take the scrolls and open the seals.
“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,

eph 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both[fn] which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him.

col 1 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14 in whom we have redemption through His blood,[fn] the forgiveness of sins.
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

The only redemption is through the blood of Jesus and He created all things so that He would have the preeminence.

According to the accounts, the woman, speaking to Juan Diego in his native Nahuatl language (the language of the Aztec Empire), identified herself as the Virgin Mary, "mother of the very true deity".[3] She was said to have asked for a church to be built at that site in her honor. This is very suspect to me.
 
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First of all, I am not discounting that there is truth in other Christian bodies. The Catholic Church teaches that many Protestants will be in heaven. So I have no problem in believing that God works in other Christian bodies. So can there be miracles in other Christian bodies? YES!

Second of all, from my Catholic perspective, only the Catholic Church has the FULLNESS of truth. So even though God does work some miracles in other Christian bodies, they are not of the full magnitude as the miracles I listed. Is there a Protestant miracle that is similar to the sun dancing or incorruptible bodies? I was a Protestant for 15 years, and around 5 of those years I was a Pentecostal (Assemblies of God). And even though Pentecostalism professes to still believe that miracles are for today, I never saw or heard of anything that even comes close to these miracles I just listed.
Nevermind, I don't want to create a Catholic vs. Orthodox discussion
 
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That is not true at all. I was a Protestant evangelical for 15 years and it was miraculous events that happened two thousand years ago that I was told proved to me that the my faith was trustworthy, such as the eyewitness testimonies of the resurrection of Christ and the Old Testament prophecies fulfilled in the person of Jesus Christ.
Just a minute. I did not say miracles do not happen. I did not say that Protestants are opposed to miracles.

None of that.

What I passed along was an explanation that I did not invent. It has been said by others. The suggestion was that Protestants do not look to miracles SUCH AS THOSE WHICH WERE FEATURED IN THE OP.

Those are gimmick type miracles. Something like an on-stage magician does for the amazement of the audience--miracles that serve no purpose UNLESS it is to confirm and/or strengthen the belief system of the onlookers.

Catholics are impressed by such things but it is suggested, with good reason, that Protestants, by and large, don't look for them and they don't make the faith of the viewer more real even if such things might happen. If they are actually of God, he knows who needs to see them and who, by contrast, is not in need of hocus pocus.
 
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How about Jesus rising from the dead? That was awesome!
And taking a damned destitute sinner like me, washing me clean giving me a new heart and adopting me as His child.
 
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Nevermind, I don't want to create a Catholic vs. Orthodox discussion

I am not saying anything against the Orthodox church. I recall my wife and I going to an Abanian (I think) Orthodox Church in Chicago. It has an icon of Mary that had wept. It started to cry when my wife and I were there. I was laid off at that time. I prayed to Mary in front of that icon and I received a job offer within a week. Impressive!
 
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I am not saying anything against the Orthodox church. I recall my wife and I going to an Abanian (I think) Orthodox Church in Chicago. It has an icon of Mary that had wept. It started to cry when my wife and I were there. I was laid off at that time. I prayed to Mary in front of that icon and I received a job offer within a week. Impressive!

I enjoyed the healing miracles in the OP, that is always a good sign.
 
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How about Jesus rising from the dead? That was awesome!

That is tremendously awesome! But I think that after 2,000 years it has lost some of its apologetic appeal. More contemporary miracles can more attest to the claims of Christ than what happened two centuries ago.

I once met an atheist who said that we cannot be sure what happened before the invention of the printing press. Although I would disagree with him, he would not be impress with Jesus rising from the dead.
 
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A faith based on miracles is not a mature faith, but God may work among any people anywhere at any time, so I can neither judge these particular ones nor recognize them.
 
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