Question... Was there ever an apology?

[timothyu]

At the time of Constantine, Christianity accepted an offer to become the State religion of a new Roman Empire following a civil war. As a result it abandoned the counter-culture of Jesus' Kingdom, to rejoin the world of man, a world built upon self serving ways and self justification, as a result of the Fall. A religion meant to serve the opposing will of God, joined forces with the will of man, to become a power of man and eventually as it evolved, a worldly empire of it's own.

My question..... Did any Christian institution/denomination ever officially apologize for this traitorous act that anyone knows of? Did any repent of/change their official position and turn from accepting the offer of the Tempter that Jesus rejected, where 'all this could be yours'? Do they carry on like the rest of the governance of man to this day or do they now teach separation between the two worlds as Jesus taught. Will they teach that which condemns their act of joining the world of man and rejecting the Kingdom?

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

 

[CharismaticLady]

At the time of Constantine, Christianity accepted an offer to become the State religion of a new Roman Empire following a civil war. As a result it abandoned the counter-culture of Jesus' Kingdom, to rejoin the world of man, a world built upon self serving ways and self justification, as a result of the Fall. A religion meant to serve the opposing will of God, joined forces with the will of man, to become a power of man and eventually a worldly empire of it's own.

My question..... Did any Christian institution/denomination ever officially apologize for this traitorous act that anyone knows of? Did any repent of/change their official position and turn from accepting the offer of the Tempter that Jesus rejected, where 'all this could be yours'? Do they carry on like the rest of the governance of man to this day or do they now teach separation between the two worlds as Jesus taught. Do they teach that which condemns their act of joining the world of man and rejecting the Kingdom?

Christianity did not become the state religion until two emperors after Constantine. He just changed the status of Christianity from illegal to legal.

As far as an apology, don't expect one, because it should be to God.

 

[timothyu]

Christianity did not become the state religion until two emperors after Constantine. He just changed the status of Christianity from illegal to legal.

Legal according to who... man or God?

 

[anna ~ grace]

So, every time a pagan king, chief, or emperor became a Christian, he would use his power to persuade or even compel his people to also adopt the Christian faith, receive baptism, throw away their old gods, burn their images, and allow themselves to be educated spiritually and culturally by the Christians who were reaching out to them.

This happened quite a lot.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Legal according to who... man or God?

Up until Constantine, the church age was that of martyrdom, and the church was underground because it was illegal. Church history 101. SDA's blame Constantine for changing the Sabbath to Sunday. Wrong. And you blame Constantine for making Christianity the state religion. Wrong.

 

[timothyu]

Up until Constantine, the church age was that of martyrdom, and the church was underground because it was illegal. Church history 101.

Legal according to who... man or god?

 

[timothyu]

So, every time a pagan king, chief, or emperor became a Christian, he would use his power to persuade or even compel his people to also adopt the Christian faith, receive baptism, throw away their old gods, burn their images, and allow themselves to be educated spiritually and culturally by the Christians who were reaching out to them.

This happened quite a lot.

Yes it did, but only those on the narrow path put God's will first and loved all as self.. a very few. My question is was there ever an apology for abandoning the Kingdom to join forces with the world of man?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Legal according to who... man or god?

What pagan god are you talking about? Who do you think made the laws in Rome? Man, of course. It was illegal according to Roman law. I hope you get it now.

 

[timothyu]

It was illegal according to Roman law. I hope you get it now.

Yes, so man's worldly law overrode God's law of the Kingdom.

 

[anna ~ grace]

Yes it did, but only those on the narrow path put God's will first and loved all as self.. a very few. My question is was there ever an apology for abandoning the Kingdom to join forces with the world of man?

Every Christian who is employed, uses currency, drives a car, lives in a house, and has ever received a public school education has joined forces with the world, to some extent. We are in the world. We must use the things of the world.

A Christian King is still a King. He is also still a Christian. He will not neccesarily leave his throne. Most didn't.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Yes, so man's will overrode God's will.

Jesus already prophesied church history from 1st century to the end. When it was illegal and Christians were martyred was the church age of Smyrna. Constantine legalizing Christianity and later it becoming the state religion was Pergamos, when paganism was illegal and all the pagan temples and the priests garb and idols were Christianized. And instead of statues of their goddess and child, like Venus and Cupid, we now have statues of Mary and child, and every saint under the sun to pray before, and Christ on the cross.

 

[timothyu]

Every Christian who is employed, uses currency, drives a car, lives in a house, and has ever received a public school education has joined forces with the world, to some extent. We are in the world. We must use the things of the world.

The world of man is built upon self serving ways and self justification of deeds, redefining good and evil at will. Jesus and His early followers taught the opposite, the Kingdom where the will of God came first and we were to love all as self and act in servitude to each other. How could two opposing ideologies join forces without one having to change, Which one was it? How could Christianity work with that which it was supposed to teach the opposite of? Would not the people see the hypocrisy if it had continued to teach the Kingdom instead of what it became in order to not condemn itself?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Good night all

 

[timothyu]

Jesus already prophesied church history from 1st century to the end. When it was illegal and Christians were martyred was the church age of Smyrna. Constantine legalizing Christianity and later it becoming the state religion was Pergamos, when paganism was illegal and all the pagan temples and the priests garb and idols were Christianized. And instead of statues of their goddess and child, like Venus and Cupid, we now have statues of Mary and child, and every saint under the sun to pray before, and Christ on the cross.

And yet no one seems to put the will of God before the self serving will of man, nor love all as self. But they are quick to use God to justify their actions. So what went wrong? And the OP is .. did anyone ever apologize for using God to build empires while reversing what Jesus taught?

 

[timothyu]

Good night all

GN CL

 

[CharismaticLady]

And yet no one seems to put the will of God before the self serving will of man, nor love all as self. But they are quick to use God to justify their actions. So what went wrong? And the OP is .. did anyone ever apologize for using God to build empires while reversing what Jesus taught?

This is why I do not belong to ANY denomination. It is just the Trinity and His Word - an me.

Good night, again.

 

[Jonaitis]

At the time of Constantine, Christianity accepted an offer to become the State religion of a new Roman Empire following a civil war. As a result it abandoned the counter-culture of Jesus' Kingdom, to rejoin the world of man, a world built upon self serving ways and self justification, as a result of the Fall. A religion meant to serve the opposing will of God, joined forces with the will of man, to become a power of man and eventually as it evolved, a worldly empire of it's own.

My question..... Did any Christian institution/denomination ever officially apologize for this traitorous act that anyone knows of? Did any repent of/change their official position and turn from accepting the offer of the Tempter that Jesus rejected, where 'all this could be yours'? Do they carry on like the rest of the governance of man to this day or do they now teach separation between the two worlds as Jesus taught. Do they teach that which condemns their act of joining the world of man and rejecting the Kingdom?

I'm glad I am a member of an ecclesiastically congregationalist church who is not accountable for other Baptist bodies. It would suck to be a SBC though, but most Baptist churches are autonomous from each other and govern themselves. If one Baptist church did something, we wouldn't be associated or held accountable. If your Roman Catholic (or almost any other group), that's a different story.

 

[Not David]

Maybe you should offer apologies to St. Constantine the Great for all the perjuries people talk about him (Paganized Christianity, Pope, invented "Catholicism", hide the Bible) and should be glad you have a lot of privilege other Christians did not have since it is not illegal and you don't get killed to preach about Christianity in the USA.

It's just like the Communist hipster who hates Capitalism yet he loves and uses a lot of Capitalist artifacts.

 

[timothyu]

it abandoned the counter-culture of Jesus' Kingdom, to rejoin the world of man, a world built upon self serving ways and self justification, as a result of the Fall. A religion meant to serve the opposing will of God, joined forces with the will of man, to become a power of man and eventually as it evolved, a worldly empire of it's own.

My question..... Did any Christian institution/denomination ever officially apologize for this traitorous act that anyone knows of?

 

[SkyWriting]

Legal according to who... man or God?

God puts all rulers in place.