Somehow I don't think he gets it

[miamited]

Hi all,

So, the lastest news is that President Trump is claimed to have made some inappropriate comments to another world leader. A person who apparently has some knowledge of this dialogue filed what is called a 'whistle blower report'. These are reports for which we have a protocol and are an encouraged way for people to anonymously report what they believe to be questionable behavior by any political figure. Be it the president or a congressperson or a judge or even staff personnel of any of these folks. It's just a report filled out by someone who thinks that they may have some knowledge of an act that they believe to be questionable. So far so good.

There is a protocol established to deal with them. There are 3-4 levels to which such a report may be classified. One is just outright silliness. One is that it does look like there's a small, reasonably inconsequential issue that can be straightened out with a face to face. One is deemed important enough that it has been previously decided that any such report in this classification should be handed over to Congressional leaders to look over and decide its importance.

The report in this event was deemed by the power that has the responsibility of looking over these reports, decided that this matter deserved to be made known to Congress to let them decide what to do. That's a protocol that has been established for a number of years for handling these reports.

Our president wants us to believe that this report is of no consequence, yet he seems absolutely steadfast in seeing to it that the report doesn't see the light of day. Why? If it is of such inconsequential value, then why not let the process take its due course? The course which was established for these things several years ago. If President Trump is really telling us the truth, that everyone who has read it has laughed at it, then why, if it were handed over to Congress wouldn't it just be laughed at and shelved? Everybody slaps their knee and has a good guffaw and then somebody says, "I move that this report be file thirteened."

This is the part that bothers me. Similarly with his tax returns. Why? If everything is on the up and up, fight this never ending battle that is costing everyone millions of dollars in attorney and court expenses, for something that is merely a truthful report, but shows that everything is on the up and up.

It is this appearance of fighting tooth and nail to 'hide' information to the point of lining up a phalanx of attorneys and court proceedings, that makes most of us question what it is that is so important that it's better to prolong all this fighting, than to just let everything go as it should go. I think most reasonable people would begin to ask 'why', especially as one thing piles upon another and upon another and upon another.

For me, the man literally acts and speaks as one who believes himself to be above the law. Now even saying that it is against the law to prosecute and investigate him. HUH???

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[timothyu]

For me, the man literally acts and speaks as one who believes himself to be above the law.

Kinda like telling the adversary it has over stepped it's boundaries.

 

[Albion]

Hi all,

So, the lastest news is that President Trump is claimed to have made some inappropriate comments to another world leader.

How do they compare with Obama's saying to a Russian diplomat--as we all have seen and heard him doing--that he'll be able to do more with "Vladimir" after the election of 2012?

A person who apparently has some knowledge of this dialogue filed what is called a 'whistle blower report'. These are reports for which we have a protocol and are an encouraged way for people to anonymously report what they believe to be questionable behavior by any political figure.

Uh, no Ted. A "whistleblower" is not a gossiper. He is to be someone with actual knowledge of some wrongdoing (which does not describe the person in question in this case).

 

[tturt]

What I get is "Most of all, I’m writing to encourage you to pray with gratitude to God. Pray for all men with all forms of prayers and requests as you intercede with intense passion. 2 And pray for every political leader and representative, so that we would be able to live tranquil, undisturbed lives, as we worship the awe-inspiring God with pure hearts. 3 It is pleasing to our Savior-God to pray for them. 4 He longs for everyone to embrace his life and return to the full knowledge of the truth." I Tim 2:1-4 TPT

 

[Blade]

Hey my brother. For me I don't touch this. Well its speculation and thats something the Father does not touch. Some things are even gossip. I pray for President Trump.

 

[miamited]

Hi albion,

I didn't know that you were in the loop. What did the report say?

Uh, no Ted. A "whistleblower" is not a gossiper. He is to be someone with actual knowledge of some wrongdoing (which does not describe the person in question in this case).

You know for a fact that this report is about gossip and not bringing up a perceived wrongdoing?

"Your Honor, that man claiming that he saw me kill a man is just gossiping."

"Oh, ok, Case dismissed!"

I really enjoy reading posts from people who make wholly unfounded claims. There just isn't any possible way that you know what the report says. Further, if it is just some silly gossip, then why all the battle to keep it hidden?

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[miamited]

Hi again albion,

You also wrote:

How do they compare with Obama's saying to a Russian diplomat--as we all have seen and heard him doing--that he'll be able to do more with "Vladimir" after the election of 2012?

Oh, and how did we all see him and hear him? Because President Obama, as far as I'm aware, never tried to hide the things that he said and did. He may have made some mistakes, but he never became so yugely embattled in coverups over things that he said and did.

Listen, I understand your position, but you should at least make some attempt to put forth a reasonable argument in defense.

What President Obama said about Putin and his ability to work with him was likely true and it was said in public and everyone knows what he said, according to your own testimony. That isn't the case here.

This is a case of someone who is privy to some of the president's more private conversations, and just like the Obama comment, thought that it may have stepped across a line and made a report of it. A report for which there is an established protocol as to how they are to be handled. The person with that responsibility to determine how it should be handled marked it as needing the attention of Congress.

Then the current administration stepped in and started making all kinds of noise and obfuscations about how it was really nothing and is being laughed at by everyone who has read it, which apparently is only people in the administration that is making up all of the excuses. But the protocol says that it is to turned over to the Congress. Again, if it is such a nothing matter that everyone is just laughing about, why not follow the protocol. Let the process do its job!

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[Yarddog]

How do they compare with Obama's saying to a Russian diplomat--as we all have seen and heard him doing--that he'll be able to do more with "Vladimir" after the election of 2012?

We cannot know if it compares to this without it being examined by the proper people.

Uh, no Ted. A "whistleblower" is not a gossiper. He is to be someone with actual knowledge of some wrongdoing (which does not describe the person in question in this case).

How do you know this?

 

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[Albion]

We cannot know if it compares to this without it being examined by the proper people.

Agreed. That's what I think every time some off the cuff post appears saying that Trump is a liar, a Nazi, a misogynist, a white supremacist, or some other nonsense.

 

[miamited]

Hi albion,

You wrote:

We cannot know if it compares to this without it being examined by the proper people.

Agreed. That's what I think every time some off the cuff post appears saying that Trump is a liar,

You really don't think that the many, many reports of President Trump making outright false statements, haven't been 'examined by the proper people'? Tell me, who, to you, would be the proper people to determine whether or not President Trump spoke something that was not true?

Just curious, but do you believe that everyone who has read it has laughed at it?

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[Yarddog]

Hi albion,

You wrote:




You really don't think that the many, many reports of President Trump making outright false statements, haven't been 'examined by the proper people'? Tell me, who, to you, would be the proper people to determine whether or not President Trump spoke something that was not true?

Just curious, but do you believe that everyone who has read it has laughed at it?

God bless,
In Christ, ted

I'm not sure your post was to me but it seems so. So far it has been reviewed by Trump's men at the DOJ and the IG informed the Intelligence Committees but they haven't examined from the last I've heard.

 

[miamited]

I'm not sure your post was to me but it seems so. So far it has been reviewed by Trump's men at the DOJ and the IG informed the Intelligence Committees but they haven't examined from the last I've heard.

Hi yarddog,

No, my response was to albion who seemed to be making the claim that we were all getting excited, not about this issue so much, but with other issues, specifically that he may have spoken lies without having it looked at by the 'proper authoritities'. I just found that rather hilarious and wondered who one might consider the proper authorities to determine whether or not President Trump had lied in any of his words.

Is there a proper authority to tell us that President Trump's inaugural crowd was the largest ever? I mean, apparently we can't take the word of many who were actually in attendance or even believe our own eyes by comparing pictures of some of the preceding inaugurations. Is there some government office now deemed 'the office of whether or not the president said a lie'? Sounds like a good stunt outline for a Monty Python show.

I'm just regularly humored by how far into some alternate universe of reality people are willing to go to show their undying support of such a person. Now it's being claimed that those of us who don't support the political initiatives of President Trump haven't allowed the 'proper authorities' to tell us whether or not we are correct in how we see things. 1984 anyone? Here's a brief quote of Amazon's review: 1984 was George Orwell’s chilling prophecy about the future. And while 1984 has come and gone, his dystopian vision of a government that will do anything to control the narrative is timelier than ever...

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[miamited]

BTW, for those who may be confused as to why I say that albion is making this claim about the 'proper people' (my mistake in using the word 'authority' in place of 'people') is that Albion agreed with yarddog's comment about there being some 'proper people' that need to look into this particular issue of President Trump's dialogue with the Ukrainian leader. However, albion tied the 'proper people' comment to those of us who get excited about claims of the president's lying, or calling him a nazi, or a misogynist.

As far as the misogynist understanding, there actually have been a number of professionals in the psychiatric fields who have supported that understanding. Of course, they're likely not the 'proper people'. The 'proper people' for Trump supporters always seem to be those that agree with me.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[tulc]

What I get is "Most of all, I’m writing to encourage you to pray with gratitude to God. Pray for all men with all forms of prayers and requests as you intercede with intense passion. 2 And pray for every political leader and representative, so that we would be able to live tranquil, undisturbed lives, as we worship the awe-inspiring God with pure hearts. 3 It is pleasing to our Savior-God to pray for them. 4 He longs for everyone to embrace his life and return to the full knowledge of the truth." I Tim 2:1-4 TPT

Were you as surprised as some of us were when that Scripture (and many others as well) reappeared in the Bible in January of 2017? I mean they were seemingly completely gone for the entirety of President Obama's administration and as soon as someone with a big "R" got elected, "BOOM!" they reappeared! I thought they were gone for ever. But I guess not.
tulc(is just curious)

 

[tulc]

How do they compare with Obama's saying to a Russian diplomat--as we all have seen and heard him doing--that he'll be able to do more with "Vladimir" after the election of 2012? (snip)

Could you point out where President Obama was discussed in the OP? Because I can't seem to find where that part of it.
tulc(is just wondering)

 

[jgarden]

How do they compare with Obama's saying to a Russian diplomat--as we all have seen and heard him doing--that he'll be able to do more with "Vladimir" after the election of 2012?

False equivalency - Obama was not withholding $250 million in foreign aid nor was he was repeatedly asking that the Russians resurrect a criminal investigation into his political opponent!

If Trump thought Biden and his son guilty were guilty of felonies, as American citizens why didn't this President request that the FBI conduct its own investigation - or does he trust those "corrupt" Ukrainians more that the Bureau?

Uh, no Ted. A "whistleblower" is not a gossiper. He is to be someone with actual knowledge of some wrongdoing (which does not describe the person in question in this case).

"Albion" has conveniently failed to mention the fact that the Inspector General (Michael Atkinson, a Trump appointee) passed judgement on the validity of the "whistheblower's" complaint and described it as an "urgent concern," which under the current law requires that it be forwarded to the appropriate congressional committees!

Presumably the Inspector General has also been added to the Trump "enemies list" that now stretches "as far as the eye can see!"

A "whistheblower's" complaint does not require the consent of the President and/or the Director of National Intelligent (Joseph Maguire, another Trump appointee) before being sent to Congress, particularly when it involves the President - any attempt to suppress it violates the law and represents an obvious "conflict of interests!"

 

[Albion]

False equivalency - Obama was not withholding $250 million in foreign aid nor was he was repeatedly asking that the Russians resurrect a criminal investigation into his political opponent!

So the narrative -- and the supposed reasons for impeachment -- change by the day.

The only thing that's constant about this non-event (the president speaking with another head of state --imagine that!) is that the people who have been trying for years to find some reason for impeachment are still at it.

 

[miamited]

Hi albion,

You responded

So the narrative -- and the supposed reasons for impeachment -- change by the day.

I don't know about 'by the day', but I can certainly see that there are new reasons for which we need to get to the bottom of what's going on at least once every six months or less.

Yes, the fact, and it is a fact despite your not wanting to see it, that President Trump has prevented the lawful processes that have been adopted for a number of years on how to handle whistleblower reports from going forth, is a stern reason to bring the President up on impeachment proceedings. On the day that he stood before that larger than reality crowd for which he crowed about it being the largest group to ever assemble for an inauguration, he held up his hand before the thousands of people who were gathered there and are witnesses to his words, that he would uphold the laws of the United States. He swore to that! Now he stands in the very breach of lawlessness. Telling men and women not to speak when lawfully called to speak. Telling the people who hold this report to not obey the lawful duty and processes under which such reports are to be handled. President Trump is a law breaker. For his own purposes and pleasure, he breaks, and encourages others to break, the laws of the United States.

That's actually what President Trump is doing. I don't care what the report says. It could be the greatest piece of gossip that has ever been told, but there is a lawful process by which such reports are to be handled. President Trump is standing in the way of the lawful process that was determined to be how these matters were to be handled long before he ever even thought of running for President. He himself is telling people not to do what the law of the United States requires to be done.

So yes, here is another reason, that is new to the scenario under which a great many people seem to think that our President should be impeached. I happen to support that understanding. At the very least, the President of the United States should not only follow himself, but also always encourage others to follow and obey the laws of the country for which he stands.

I'm fully aware and understanding that you won't see it this way, but I just thought it might at least be informative to others who are involved in this conversation to see that this isn't any longer about what he may or may not have said. This is about the President of the United States disobeying the laws for which he swore to uphold. That is an impeachable offense.

God bless,
In Christ, ted
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[timothyu]

Did the right ever get over Watergate after defending Nixon so vehemently? Did they accept the truth? Would they now after vehement support that proved false? Christians hanging onto power through man is rather unsettling as it is. Wrong governance.