Biblical view on Cannibalism

[Dave-W]

Are you saying that pig, shrimp and lobsters are off limits as well?

Biblically, they are NEVER considered as "food."

 

[RaymondG]

Biblically, they are NEVER considered as "food."

Does this mean you do not eat them and think it best that others do not as well?

 

[GenemZ]

I actually believe that it is the spirit behind the words that giveth life. And no amout of knowledge of Greek, English, or Aramaic would help with spiritual understanding. .

Considering that the Spirit CHOSE to use specifically these languages to record God's Word? I think you should be more careful in predetermining your closing of your mind.

God is giving us men who can teach from these languages for good reason. But, you have to want it. Seek it. And, find it. Many instead seek how their emotions will lead them..

Once you start learning how those languages uniquely lend themselves to avoiding much of the confusion that many who think they are being spiritual cause? You will learn to deeply appreciate how solid answers can be secured.

Besides.. The Word of God teaches us how to be spiritual. It also warns us to test the spirits. The Word of God only when understood in ACCURACY is the safeguard in that matter.

Enuf said...

 

[RaymondG]

Considering that the Spirit CHOSE to use specifically these languages to record God's Word? I think you should be more careful in predetermining your closing of your mind.

God is giving us men who can teach from these languages for good reason. But, you have to want it. Seek it. And, find it. Many instead seek how their emotions will lead them..

Once you start learning how those languages uniquely lend themselves to avoiding much of the confusion that many who think they are being spiritual cause? You will learn to deeply appreciate how solid answers can be secured.

Besides.. The Word of God teaches us how to be spiritual. It also warns us to test the spirits. The Word of God only when understood in ACCURACY is the safeguard in that matter.

Enuf said...

I find no fault in anything you believe......may you continue to find comfort in your knowledge of words of different languages.

 

[GenemZ]

Biblically, they are NEVER considered as "food."

I see you consider yourself 'Messianic." Every Christian is Messianic.

Under the Law what you mentioned were not seen as food. But, no longer for the church age.


3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain
from certain foods, which God created to be received with
thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.
4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be
rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer." 1 Timothy 4:3-5

All food is now considered clean (consecrated) when received in thanksgiving and prayer when knowing the truth. No more unclean foods in that case.

That does not include junk food which is something that God did not create that way. The Greek indicates all foods 'as God created them.'


Just like it was not so before, when those foods were considered not to be food.. That, now Jews are co-equals with Gentile believers in God. But, not so when under the Law. Things have changed. The Cross has come. Certain things that were considered "not" have now become "is."

We are to eat anything that God created to be for food, as he created them to be. In other words? Organic, and not denatured and refined. Whole. Just the Word should taught.

 

[Dave-W]

Does this mean you do not eat them and think it best that others do not as well?

I do not eat them.
Everyone else has to make up their own mind.
But I would argue against their consumption.

 

[Dave-W]

The Word of God only when understood in ACCURACY is the safeguard in that matter.

Amen

 

[Dave-W]

Under the Law they were not. But, no longer for the church age.

Just like it was not so before, when those foods were considered not to be food.. That, now Jews are co-equals with Gentile believers in God. But, not so when under the Law. Things have changed. The Cross has come. Certain things that were considered "not" have now become "is."

We are to eat anything that God created to be for food, as he created them to be. In other words? Organic, and not denatured and refined. Whole. Just the Word should taught.

I know that is being taught as "biblical," but one is hard pressed to prove it. There are a bunch of extra-biblical assumptions that have to go into such a proof.

 

[RaymondG]

I do not eat them.
Everyone else has to make up their own mind.
But I would argue against their consumption.

I like it.....and now understand that you should be able to use those scriptures againt the consumption of humans.

Why you would need to, however, I will not even try to understand.

 

[RaymondG]

Amen

You cannot understand the scripture accurately through study and schooling. You can only come up with better and better interpretations.... If any lack knowledge let him ask of God who gives freedom. For the wisdom of God is revealed, not learned.

 

[GenemZ]

I know that is being taught as "biblical," but one is hard pressed to prove it. There are a bunch of extra-biblical assumptions that have to go into such a proof.

You're hard pressed. Not me.

 

[GenemZ]

You cannot understand the scripture accurately through study and schooling. You can only come up with better and better interpretations.... If any lack knowledge let him ask of God who gives freedom. For the wisdom of God is revealed, not learned.

But you must be able to understand. That only comes through accuracy. You are giving me fuzzy logic.


You're missing a major point. If you have distortions in translations? What can you think with? We lack knowledge of what the original languages state in too many cases. Its why we see too many Christians too sure of themselves while not knowing what they are doing. God is fair. He will provide. He has... But stubbornness remains. Humility submits to the authority God brings our way for our good. Pride wars against it.

But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “God is opposed
to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” Submit therefore
to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you." Jas 4:6-7​

The Devil will resist believers and tell them they do not need to learn from someone who can teach from the languages that the Bible was written in. Wonder why?

 

[RaymondG]

But you must be able to understand. That only comes through accuracy. You are giving me fuzzy logic.


You're missing a major point. If you have distortions in translations? What can you think with? We lack knowledge of what the original languages state in too many cases. Its why we see too many Christians too sure of themselves while not knowing what they are doing. God is fair. He will provide. He has... But stubbornness remains. Humility submits to the authority God brings our way for our good. Pride wars against it.

But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “God is opposed
to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” Submit therefore
to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you." Jas 4:6-7​

The Devil will resist believers and tell them they do not need to learn from someone who can teach from the languages that the Bible was written in. Wonder why?

I find no fault in anything you believe......may you continue to find comfort in your knowledge.

 

[Dave-W]

3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with
thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer." 1 Timothy 4:3-5

Correct. Now prove that pork and shell fish is included in that word FOOD.

Remember that Pharisaic Judaism did not just follow the biblical directions but put a whole other layer of restrictions including the type of slaughter, how to wash your hands before and after eating, etc. If you did not jump thru all of their hoops in the right order, you had to abstain from eating, even if it was good biblically. This is what Paul is talking about.

 

[Dave-W]

If any lack knowledge let him ask of God who gives freedom. For the wisdom of God is revealed, not learned.

And that which is "revealed" absolutely cannot violate the written word. If it does so, it is "revealed" by something OTHER than God's Spirit. In which case it must be rejected.

 

[RaymondG]

And that which is "revealed" absolutely cannot violate the written word. If it does so, it is "revealed" by something OTHER than God's Spirit. In which case it must be rejected.

Yes, this is common knowledge......No spiritual interpretation can disagree with my interpretation of the words....else it is blasphemy or at the very least, false, or from the devil.

Can you tell whether or not you think this is the same mind that was in the Pharisees?

 

[GenemZ]

Correct. Now prove that pork and shell fish is included in that word FOOD.

Remember that Pharisaic Judaism did not just follow the biblical directions but put a whole other layer of restrictions including the type of slaughter, how to wash your hands before and after eating, etc. If you did not jump thru all of their hoops in the right order, you had to abstain from eating, even if it was good biblically. This is what Paul is talking about.

Do you read the New Testament? Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles. Have you ever read that he told them to buy any food sold in the market? They were having a problem because the best cuts of meat were sacrificed to the Roman gods. Nothing to do with kosher. Just the same. One of the favorite meats of the Romans was pig. You don't know this because no one has taught you this. You are only getting the Law.

Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience,
for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”


If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is
put before you without raising questions of conscience." 1 Cor 10:25-27

Again. Paul was not even considering an issue of kosher cuts of meat vs non kosher. It was a matter of conscience to his congregation because the growing believers were upset with the fact that the best meats sold in the market were from animals sacrificed to the gods in the local temples of the heathen.

According to Rabbi Paul? We are to eat anything God created as food.



Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, “Be fruitful
and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you
will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the
sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on
all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. Every-
thing that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as
I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything." Gen 9:1-3

Noah was simply told that ALL the animals of the earth were given as meat for man. Later on the kosher issue came into play in the Law, because God needed to insulate and isolate the Jews from the Devil's children. And, food was one way to accomplish this. But, now its no longer needed since there is no longer Jew nor Gentile in Christ!

"Starting from the beginning, Peter told them the whole story:
“I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision.
I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by
its four corners, and it came down to where I was. I looked into it
and saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles and
birds. Then I heard a voice telling me, ‘Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.’


“I replied, ‘Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever
entered my mouth.’ (foods that were non-kosher)


“The voice spoke from heaven a second time, ‘Do not call anything
impure that God has made clean.’ This happened three times,
and then it was all pulled up to heaven again." Acts 11:4-10​

Peter was very offended and stubborn about stopping eating kosher.

So much so? He argued about it with the Lord of Life!

He argued when told he can eat what he once was taught to think of as unclean!

So?

Religious Jews (and those who have a natural propensity to like following a life regulated by laws) who walked into Christianity will have to learn how to transform their thinking in order to conform to the mind of Christ. And, that is what we have been called to become!

Not all will be willing. They try to save their old lives by forming sects. And. Jesus said one must lose his life in order to save it. Our life is to be Christ. Not in some sect where a mutual admiration society was raised up to feed a need by some for the approval of men. Law depends upon what other men think to have power.

grace and peace...

 

[Dave-W]

Do you read the New Testament? Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles. Have you ever read that he told them to buy any food sold in the market? They were having a problem because the best cuts of meat were sacrificed to the Roman gods. Nothing to do with kosher. Just the same. One of the favorite meats of the Romans was pig. You don't know this because no one has taught you this. You are only getting the Law.

Of course I knew that. Knew it for decades. But a lot of the sacrifices were also of goats and sheep. Since pork is NOT a "food" biblically speaking, the apostle would have communicated that to the congregants, probably when he was in each locale the first time and never had to be reiterated in his letters.

 

[GenemZ]

Of course I knew that. Knew it for decades. But a lot of the sacrifices were also of goats and sheep. Since pork is NOT a "food" biblically speaking, the apostle would have communicated that to the congregants, probably when he was in each locale the first time and never had to be reiterated in his letters.

But, this much I will say. Paul would have commanded them not to eat what they were accustomed to. Why are you missing this factor? To tell them to buy anything for sale in the market had to include pig.....

Some are pig headed when it comes to this topic?

 

[RaymondG]

But, this much I will say. Paul would have commanded them not to eat what they were accustomed to. Why are you missing this factor?

You see the issues that can arise when people rely on their own study of words? The greater one perceived knowledge the greater the disagreement and the more attached we are to the wisdom we've gained.

There are no disagreement between two who walk after the spirit......and no personal attachment to wisdom revealed through grace.....