High School Bans Student After He Goes To Shooting Range With His Mom, Snapchat Post

[Halbhh]

Though this thread is about an unjust barring from school, there is a tangential issue being discussed also -- what about red flag laws?

That's an entirely separate issue from the unjust, wrong barring of a student that is innocent.

But it's an important related issue for other situations, other people....

The way a red flag law works may be helpful to learn more on though. It's about temporarily removing guns, for a waiting period.

Tangential issue not about the innocent student--
Red-flag laws typically allow petitions to a judge to temporarily remove a gun from someone believed to be dangerous. A temporary confiscation order is usually followed by a hearing at which the judge weighs barring the person from having a gun for a longer period.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...dc6914-b3be-11e9-8f6c-7828e68cb15f_story.html

 

[JCFantasy23]

The boy, if innocent, should be cleared and get to return to school.

The police cleared him, then the school proceeded with suspending him the next day irregardless.

I had assumed when mentioning these investigations, that it would be up to the police to do the investigations. What else does the school need? Are they using a different government agency other than law enforcement?

 

[JCFantasy23]

Though this thread is about an unjust barring from school, there is a tangential issue being discussed also -- what about red flag laws?

That's an entirely separate issue from the unjust, wrong barring of a student that is innocent.

But it's an important related issue for other situations, other people....

The way a red flag law works may be helpful to learn more on though. It's about temporarily removing guns, for a waiting period.

Tangential issue not about the innocent student--
Red-flag laws typically allow petitions to a judge to temporarily remove a gun from someone believed to be dangerous. A temporary confiscation order is usually followed by a hearing at which the judge weighs barring the person from having a gun for a longer period.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...dc6914-b3be-11e9-8f6c-7828e68cb15f_story.html

I see both good and bad points about it. I think it will be misused and abused, but I also see a need for closer inspection and investigation in some cases.

 

[Hank77]

Red-flag laws typically allow petitions to a judge to temporarily remove a gun from someone believed to be dangerous. A temporary confiscation order is usually followed by a hearing at which the judge weighs barring the person from having a gun for a longer period.

Believed to be dangerous by whom?
At the hearing the gun owner has to prove to the judge that they are competent to own a gun rather than an accuser proving that they are not.

If that were to happen to a hunter where I live it could keep them from feeding their family through the winter, or keep a rancher from protecting his livestock from coyotes, bears, and mountain lions.

 

[civilwarbuff]

There is such an attitude of fear with all the recent school shootings going back to Columbine, that many students will react badly to ANYONE they know being around a firearm for any reason.

So the fear mongering of 'gun violence' by the media and many of those on the left is effective in your opinion?.....even though a person is more likely to die or be injured in everyday activities than a mass killing?

 

[ViaCrucis]

I'm pretty critical of American gun law, but this is absolutely ridiculous.

Firing at a range, under strict supervision, and being properly educated about how to properly handle a firearm--that's all the right way to go about operating and learning about firearms.

The school district absolutely ought to be taken to court over this. This is patently stupid.

Also, if I had to hazard a guess, the student which reported him wasn't legitimately afraid, but simply wanted to engage in real life trolling behavior.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Halbhh]

Believed to be dangerous by whom?
At the hearing the gun owner has to prove to the judge that they are competent to own a gun rather than an accuser proving that they are not.

If that were to happen to a hunter where I live it could keep them from feeding their family through the winter, or keep a rancher from protecting his livestock from coyotes, bears, and mountain lions.

By the judge. Or did you mean initially? Initially: by anyone reporting their direct threats on the lives of others probably. Example: social media tweet or post or a text directly threatening to kill someone.

Here's one recent example at the top of my search just now, but lemme get another also...
Red Flag Law: Howard County deputies confiscate firearms after 12-year-old makes threats at school

 

[civilwarbuff]

Are they using a different government agency other than law enforcement?

Like the DNC?......LOL

 

[Halbhh]

Here's another example of when a red-flag law that is well written can be used:

When it's very clear something ought to be done before a mass murder:
“I want to shoot up a school. This is a genuine feeling. I want people to suffer. I want to step on and or over their bloodied corpses and her [hear] the squelching of their wounds forcing out that last bit of blood. Then blow their heads off to make sure they’re dead. I wish to see those I haven’t shot shake in fear and scream and cry at such a heinous act. Then see the shock on their faces once I’ve shot them too.”
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article234278122.html

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The innocent kid in the OP (post #1) should get to go back to school. Also, I'm a gun owner, a shooter since age 6, and not at all anti-gun-ownership, but just like most conservatives, I'm in favor of a well written red-flag law for other cases than the OP.

 

[Hank77]

I see both good and bad points about it. I think it will be misused and abused, but I also see a need for closer inspection and investigation in some cases.

I agree. However, I think there needs to be pretty specific guidelines in determining the actions that qualify a person to have their guns taken away, even temporarily. I don't think it can be just someone calling, and certainly not an anonymous caller, and telling a story. The person calling should first have to explain to law enforcement directly as to why they are calling. Then law enforcement can determine if their reasoning is valid or they have some other motive.

 

[Hank77]

Here's another example of when a red-flag law that is well written can be used:

When it's very clear something ought to be done before a mass murder:
“I want to shoot up a school. This is a genuine feeling. I want people to suffer. I want to step on and or over their bloodied corpses and her [hear] the squelching of their wounds forcing out that last bit of blood. Then blow their heads off to make sure they’re dead. I wish to see those I haven’t shot shake in fear and scream and cry at such a heinous act. Then see the shock on their faces once I’ve shot them too.”
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article234278122.html

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The innocent kid in the OP (post #1) should get to go back to school. Also, I'm a gun owner, a shooter since age 6, and not at all anti-gun-ownership, but just like most conservatives, I'm in favor of a well written red-flag law for other cases than the OP.

I agree. In this case there is a clear threat to public safety from their own communication.

 

[AlexDTX]

16-year-old Nathan Myers and his mother Justine Myers went to a shooting range on Tuesday, a moment that Nathan celebrated by posting a video on Snapchat showing some of the guns they were going to bring, including hand guns and an AR-15. The caption for the post read, "Finna be lit," which he explained to Complete Colorado is just slang used among his peers meaning he's "excited" about the chance to go to the range with his mom, who he hadn't seen in a few weeks due to his parents being separated.

When they returned from shooting, Justine learned from messages left by Nathan's father that police officers had come to the house asking about his initial Snapchat post. "His father told them he was out shooting with me, I am an avid shooter," Justine explained. "So, the officers said he wasn't in trouble and left."

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High School Bans Student After He Goes To Shooting Range With His Mom, Snapchat Post

Never post anything online that you would not want the whole world to know.

 

[JCFantasy23]

Never post anything online that you would not want the whole world to know.

He was not hiding it. He just didn't think he'd get into trouble for doing something that is legal and supposed to be fine to do.

 

[AlexDTX]

He was not hiding it. He just didn't think he'd get into trouble for doing something that is legal and supposed to be fine to do.

My comment was not about him, but us. His story is a warning for all of us to be careful what we post online.

 

[Halbhh]

He was not hiding it. He just didn't think he'd get into trouble for doing something that is legal and supposed to be fine to do.

You know, there is another tangential issue that isn't the same as this injustice in the OP, but is slightly related, and is being indirectly discussed a bit. Here's a useful question:

Would you yourself, personally, feel ok if just down the street a few houses away you know that there is a teenager with an AR-15, and a belt for holding several 30 bullet magazines, and his AR-15 also has a bump stock on it? Cause you've seen him brandishing it around.

I'm really asking. What would you yourself think of that real-life situation?

 

[JCFantasy23]

Would you yourself, personally, feel ok if just down the street a few houses away you know that there is a teenager with an AR-15, and a belt for holding several 30 bullet magazines, and has a bump stock on it?

It may give me some mental doubts or make me hesitant/cautious at first - but it wouldn't make me do anything, such as call the police. I have a friend who has assault rifles, though, and an uncle who used to have a gun room filled with guns of all sizes and types when he was going through a certain situation, and they are both non-dangerous and stable people. I haven't read any statistics on how many people have these kinds of guns. If I knew the family, and heard what the mother said in the article (that the whole family does shooting practice together with these guns on the range as a hobby), then it would make me feel more comfortable.

 

[Dave-W]

So the fear mongering of 'gun violence' by the media and many of those on the left is effective in your opinion?.....even though a person is more likely to die or be injured in everyday activities than a mass killing?

Effective in fostering fear and paranoia? Yes.

And NOT fostering fear from the otherwise more common death threats? Also yes.

 

[joshua 1 9]

That is I simply untrue. Military basic training did not even exist when the Constitution was written and there is no training requirement mentioned in the 2nd Amendment.

My reference is to the term: "Well trained Militia" The dictionary definition for this is: "A military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency." Well trained means more then potty trained. People want to turn the constitution into toilet paper so I guess for them to be potty trained is all that is required.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Let me ask you this.
When the Constitution was written were gun owners trained in the military before they could own a gun?

What part of "Well trained Militia" do you not understand? The Greeks begin military training when they were 3 years of age. They were able to conquer the world. The government provides 13 years of brainwashing education if you include free public kindergarten. There are still countries today that require all the men and a lot of the women to serve in the military and to serve their country. We are to serve our country, we should not expect the country to serve us.

 

[GirdYourLoins]

Most of the posts I have seen focus on the fighting aspect of shooting. There is another side which is sport. This boy was excited to see his mum and do something with her, which happened to be shooting. Maybe this boy aspires to be an Olympic athlete in shooting and is interested in only shooting at targets.

It seems to me, as someone from a country that does not allow guns to be carried in public and strictly controlled, that the school has acted inappropriately. Does this boy even have access to guns in his home let alone own guns of his own?