Barbarian observes:
The evidence shows that they evolved from little,tiny dinosaurs.
What evidence is that? Are there transitional fossils?
Yep. Lots and lots of them.
The first known was Archaeopteryx, first classified as a dinosaur until fossils of that organism was found with feathers.
Sinornis was even more birdlike, feathered but with a bird like tail.
Ichthyornis (93-83.5 Ma) may be difficult to discern from a modern seabird. Many of the limb bones, including the fingers have become fused in Ichthyornis, resulting in a skeleton that was probably well-adapted for powered flight. Nonetheless, as one of the final holdouts of its reptilian past, Ichthyornis still had teeth. Interestingly, however, its jaw tip appears to be covered by an incipient beak, suggesting the transformation is nearly complete.
Fossils document how dinosaurs gave rise to birds
(Fossils show that dinosaurs had avian lungs)
The surprise is on you. Your article is from 2005. Mine is from 2009
Nope. Your guy doesn't refute the facts. He just thinks a detail of the leg means it didn't happen. Since the 1990s, many dinosaur fossils have been found to show an avian respiratory system...
Among extant tetrapods, pneumatic postcranial bones are only present in birds, and they are osteological correlates of the diverticular lungs and pulmonary air sacs. The presence of postcranial pneumaticity in sauropod and theropod dinosaurs suggests that some form of air sac system was also present in the dinosaurian ancestors of birds. In particular, anatomical and evolutionary patterns of pneumatization in nonavian saurischian dinosaurs are diagnostic for specific air sacs, including the cervical, clavicular, and abdominal air sacs. Pneumatic hiatuses are gaps in the pneumatization of the vertebral column and indicate pneumatization from multiple sources. A pneumatic hiatus in Haplocanthosaurus provides additional support for the presence of abdominal air sacs in sauropods. The origins of postcranial pneumaticity in archosaurs are enigmatic because the earliest putative traces of pneumaticity are difficult to distinguish from skeletal imprints of other soft tissues. Nevertheless, several lines of evidence suggest that air sac‐driven lung ventilation was primitive for Saurischia. J. Exp. Zool. 311A:611–628, 2009. © 2009 Wiley‐Liss, Inc.
You said you knew of the OSU study.
Right. But as you now realize, the author doesn't even try to refute the fact of avian respiratory systems in dinosaurs. He just argues that birds have different knees to prevent their lungs from collapsing.
Unfortunately, we do not have dinosaurs around today to see.
Fortunately, we do have fossils, showing pneumatized bones, which only occur in birds and theropod dinosaurs.
However, we still have chimps and apes and do not see any of them become bipedal.
There were many bipedal apes, such as Oropithecus, Australopithecines, and so on. No point in denying that, either. Today, there is only one bipedal ape. But of course, there are no more theropod dinosaurs, unless you count birds.
There were dinosaurs that flew. We also know that gravity was less in the past.
Show us your evidence for that. What a weird idea.
However, evos do not believe that either due to uniformitarianism.
Comes down to evidence. What do you have?
So, why does Satan want us to believe that and not what God said?
God said gravity used to be stronger? Show us that. Or are you saying that God said birds aren't dinosaurs. Whatever you think, show us.
Or some seem to be saying that God created evolution and that Genesis is wrong.
If God used evolution, as He uses other natural phenomena, it doesn't mean Genesis is wrong. It means your new revision of Genesis is wrong.
How can Genesis be wrong because it cannot change.
And yet you're telling us to accept your changes.
The macroevolution theory could be gone in the future like the eternal universe.
It's always possible. But given the evidence, things are moving the other way. The last world-class biologist who doubted Darwin's theory, died in the early 1900s.
If you want to convince me birds are dinosaurs, then show me the reverse engineering of a bird back into a dinosaur.
You think evolutionary changes between major groups must be reversible? How did you come to that conclusion?
I thought the guy was so insistent in his belief was because it is another example of macroevolution. We both agree on microevolution.
Perhaps you don't know what "macroevolution" means. It means "evolution of new taxa." Even major creationists groups like ICR and AIG now admit that new species, genera, and even families evolve.
I'm not sure why Satan wants us to think opposite.
You think Satan endorses evolution? I don't see any evidence for it.
I'm learning that it's difficult for people to think Satan exists is because we see him as a guy in a red devil's suit with horns and a pitchfork. Or some tiny bad angel that sits on our shoulder and tempts us to do bad things while another tiny angel sits on the other shoulder and warns us not to do it.
Those are merely creationist ideas. I don't know of any biologists who think like that.