How sinful is Judas Iscariot?

[escapee]

Judas Iscariot is the desiple who sold Jesus for 30 silver. But also, at the last supper, the devil entered him. Would he have sold Jesus, if the devil had not entered him? I guess he wouldn't have. So how sinful is judas?

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Who knows, he might even have been into some other stuff that we are not told like Sorcery etc.

It says that he was also a Thief. It's mind blowing because he actually witnessed the miracles Jesus did and yet he was still a Thief.



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[PizzaAddict]

Judas Iscariot is the desiple who sold Jesus for 30 silver. But also, at the last supper, the devil entered him. Would he have sold Jesus, if the devil had not entered him? I guess he wouldn't have. So how sinful is judas?

Judas is as sinful as Hitler , Stalin or you there is no "level" of punishment of sin you are either sinless or sinner .

Read James 2:10

 

[Mountainmanbob]

So how sinful is judas?

The Bible mentions that it would have been better if he was never born.
Sounds to be pretty sinful.
M-Bob

It would have been better for that man if he had not been born.” ... die as the Scriptures say he will; but how terrible for that man who will betray the Son of Man!

 

[bling]

Judas Iscariot is the desiple who sold Jesus for 30 silver. But also, at the last supper, the devil entered him. Would he have sold Jesus, if the devil had not entered him? I guess he wouldn't have. So how sinful is judas?

Just as the satan entered Peter, so was Peter's denials not Peter's fault?
Peter was forgiven and Judas could have been forgiven.

 

[Jonaitis]

Judas Iscariot is the desiple who sold Jesus for 30 silver. But also, at the last supper, the devil entered him. Would he have sold Jesus, if the devil had not entered him? I guess he wouldn't have. So how sinful is judas?

Our sins hung Jesus on the cross, which one of us is better than Judas?

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

Judas Iscariot is the desiple who sold Jesus for 30 silver. But also, at the last supper, the devil entered him. Would he have sold Jesus, if the devil had not entered him? I guess he wouldn't have. So how sinful is judas?

He was condemned due to original sin as are we all if we fail seek redemption in the wounds of Christ and follow him in our lives.
I think the Judas "problem" has been blown out of proportion. People choose to live and die in their sins every single day and face the same perdition as Judas did when he lived.

Free will opens this possibility to all of us. The predestination questions surrounding Iscariot is theological questions that we cant answer in this life. We just have to accept it.

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

Just as the satan entered Peter, so was Peter's denials not Peter's fault?
Peter was forgiven and Judas could have been forgiven.

Satan didnt enter Peter though he tried to take advantage of the love bond between the Lord and saint Peter.
It's not the same, not at all. Satan may twist and turn things and influence us, but he cannot possess a baptized Christian or any of the apostles.
Those who belong to Christ is impossible to possess by the devil.

Influence is not possession and vice versa. The reason Iscariot was possessed is difficult to answer, but one reason is that he never was a part of the believers of Christ.
If one reads through the new testament one can see how Judas is the only one of the apostles who didnt address Christ as Lord. Not even once.
He refers to Christ as Rabbi, teacher but never Lord.
The others refer to Christ as Lord.

 

[escapee]

The Bible mentions that it would have been better if he was never born.
Sounds to be pretty sinful.
M-Bob

It would have been better for that man if he had not been born.” ... die as the Scriptures say he will; but how terrible for that man who will betray the Son of Man!

This is very interesting. So, this may mean, that upon your birth you are judas Iscariot and everybody needs at least one person who puts Christ into his life. If such a person is missing, then birth is useless?

 

[Mountainmanbob]

This is very interesting. So, this may mean, that upon your birth you are judas Iscariot and everybody needs at least one person who puts Christ into his life. If such a person is missing, then birth is useless?

Seems that you have missed several points?

 

[sdowney717]

Just as the satan entered Peter, so was Peter's denials not Peter's fault?
Peter was forgiven and Judas could have been forgiven.

Difference was Jesus prayed for Peter to be turned back to Him and he was.
Jesus did not pray for Judas.
In fact, when Judas is about to betray Christ, Jesus tells him to do it quickly.

The difference is Peter was elect. And Judas not elect.
Romans 8
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.

 

[escapee]

Seems that you have missed several points?

Very interesting sermon! Not much revealed about the character of judas though, because judas is not analyzed, only observed in this sermon.

I would risk to say, that the remorse of judas is the most interesting part. That is when the devil leaves him. Between the last supper and the remorse, the mind of judas works like a virus infected organism, producing the reproduction of the virus instead of itself.

Clearly judas was not at his mind. The kiss itself proves this too. Interesting that the Lord seems to hold you responsible even when you have no control of anything. But then, there is the Jesus remark of telling judas to do it quickly. That is like Jesus conversations with the devil.

Jesus calls judas friend all the way through. When judas hangs himself, his death is quickened. If judas goes to hell, then we all seem to be going to hell.

Also, the sermon doesn't address what hardened the heart of judas. One of the epistolic letters says that God can harden any heart, including the collective heart of Israel.

The progression of Judas therefore looks very typical of generic human progression. Ffirst there is a little bit of sin such as greed in Judas. Tthen God hardens his heart to make is sin deeper. Then this is fertile ground for the devil and so the devil enters him. With the devil inside him, judas has no longer any control of anything, and the devil executes the boundaries that God gave him. This causes Judas to remorse and repent but he repents to idols instead of to God. Therefore mercy is not coming his way.

In an attempt to salvage whatever little is still left of his soul, Judas commits suicide. It is not clear whether it is an act of God or the devil, that interferes with his suicide.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Jesus calls judas friend all the way through. When judas hangs himself, his death is quickened. If judas goes to hell, then we all seem to be going to hell.




Also, the sermon doesn't address what hardened the heart of judas. One of the epistolic letters says that God can harden any heart, including the collective heart of Israel.

The progression of Judas therefore looks very typical of generic human progression. Ffirst there is a little bit of sin such as greed in Judas. Tthen God hardens his heart to make is sin deeper. Then this is fertile ground for the devil and so the devil enters him. With the devil inside him, judas has no longer any control of anything, and the devil executes the boundaries that God gave him. This causes Judas to remorse and repent but he repents to idols instead of to God. Therefore mercy is not coming his way.

In an attempt to salvage whatever little is still left of his soul, Judas commits suicide. It is not clear whether it is an act of God or the devil, that interferes with his suicide.

No we are not all going to the hot place. I've never heard of anyone coming away with that conclusion.

Apparently Judas was used as a tool but, his heart was deceitful. Thus, he did it to himself.

M-Bob

 

[escapee]

No we are not all going to the hot place. I've never heard of anyone coming away with that conclusion.

Apparently Judas was used as a tool but, his heart was deceitful. Thus, he did it to himself.

M-Bob

You may be right, not everyone will go to the hot place. And yes, judas' heart was deceitful which made him a useful tool. It may still be interesting, what drove this, and it looks like it was the hardening of his heart.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

It may still be interesting, what drove this, and it looks like it was the hardening of his heart.

Interesting point that beckons my memory in regards to Pharaoh in The Bible.

I believe that in at least one place The Bible mentions that God hardened Pharaoh's heart? And then in another place it mentions that Pharaoh hardened his own heart? Kind of interesting how that works, possibly hand-in-hand at times?
M-Bob

 

[escapee]

Interesting point that beckons my memory in regards to Pharaoh in The Bible.

I believe that in at least one place The Bible mentions that God hardened Pharaoh's heart? And then in another place it mentions that Pharaoh hardened his own heart? Kind of interesting how that works, possibly hand-in-hand at times?
M-Bob

Yes, and it is scary. Would be good to know, how to unharden a heart before the devil finds it and uses it for his pleasure. If un hardening is at all possible. Hmmm.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Yes, and it is scary. Would be good to know, how to unharden a heart before the devil finds it and uses it for his pleasure. If un hardening is at all possible. Hmmm.

Repeating some sins over and over again
may harden the heart?

Once the Holy Spirit has brought sin to our attention.

Best stop and Repent.

Thanking God for the gift of Repentance.
(not all have this gift).

M-Bob

 

[1213]

Judas Iscariot is the desiple who sold Jesus for 30 silver. But also, at the last supper, the devil entered him. Would he have sold Jesus, if the devil had not entered him? I guess he wouldn't have. So how sinful is judas?

It is an interesting question, what it means that “devil entered him”. It can mean that greed took control of him and I think that happens when person himself gives in and acts on his own desires. I believe Judas did what he wanted and is responsible of his own actions.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

It is an interesting question, what it means that “devil entered him”.


It can mean that greed took control of him and I think that happens when person himself gives in and acts on his own desires. I believe Judas did what he wanted and is responsible of his own actions.

Really doesn't matter because we know
it would be the worst of things.
Flee from the devil.

A little taste and we are
out of here.

Repent is my middle name.

M-Bob

 

[JackRT]

Judas Iscariot is the desiple who sold Jesus for 30 silver. But also, at the last supper, the devil entered him. Would he have sold Jesus, if the devil had not entered him? I guess he wouldn't have. So how sinful is judas?

A point that deserves to be mentioned is the historicity of the ‘thirty pieces of silver’. Pieces of silver were irregular chunks of smelted silver. The fact of the matter is that pieces of silver were not used in the Temple in the first century and had not been used for over 200 years. They had been replaced by minted silver coins thereby avoiding the necessity of weighing on a balance to determine value. It would also appear that Matthew in mentioning this was using the Jewish/Hebrew literary technique of haggadic midrash in referencing Zechariah 11:12-13.