Your Thoughts on Creation & Evolution

[sfs]

This is a conclusion based on an theory that mutations accumulate over millions of years.

Incorrect. It a conclusion based on the evidence, which is exactly what we would expect to see if the theory is true. That's how we tell what's true -- we look at reality.

How do you know it was an ape that lived 7 million years ago? Is this confirmed or assumed?

Concluded from evidence.

Brother you supplied an article about common descent and mutations. My question is relevant.

I supplied an article about evidence from mutations for common descent. Your question was not relevant, and yes, I know of positive mutations.

7 million is quite a specific number, how is this number certain/verified and why not 10 million or 13.578 million?

Because of genetic and fossil data.

How do you know this? What evidence do you have that proves it was caused by mutation?

The evidence you just read and are currently not explaining.

In case i have misunderstood, could you please explain to me how genetic differences are produced by mutations?

A mutation is any change to genetic material. If two organisms have identical DNA and one of them experiences a mutation, it now is genetically different from the first.

How does a shared ancestor dna mutate into 2 different species?

By mutating repeatedly.

Does this mean that because the 2 charts are similar, i can procreate with a healthy chimp the same as i can procreate with a healthy and different human?

No. It means nothing remotely like that.

In case i do.not understand. Why?

Huh? I want you to tell me why human and chimpanzee DNA looks like it is different because of mutations.

 

[Aman777]

Constantly. Do you know what evolution is?

I do. It's the descent with modification within kinds over a period of time within a population. It's name was changed to "evolution" by a group of men who wished to eliminate God from their thinking...and in order to make up false Theories which cannot tell us HOW Apes inherited the superior intelligence of God. All hat, no cattle.

 

[Aman777]

Huh? I want you to tell me why human and chimpanzee DNA looks like it is different because of mutations.

It's because the sons of God (prehistoric people) diverged from Chimps 6 million years ago. When Noah's grandsons had NO other Humans (descendants of Adam) to marry, they married and produced children with the prehistoric women of 11k years ago. The children INHERITED the unique superior intelligence of God Genesis 3:22 AND the DNA of prehistoric people who were NOT Humans.

 

[The Barbarian]

The Barbarian said: ↑
Constantly. Do you know what evolution is?

I do. It's the descent with modification within kinds over a period of time within a population.

Actually, it's "a change in allele frequency in a population over time." So you're pretty close. You used Darwin's original definition, but the re-discovery of genetics led to a more precise one.

It's name was changed to "evolution" by a group of men who wished to eliminate God from their thinking...

Ironically, it was first used by Darwin, in a statement expressing his belief that God created the first living things:
There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved.
Charles Darwin, last sentence of On the Origin of Species, 1872

and in order to make up false Theories which cannot tell us HOW Apes inherited the superior intelligence of God.

We don't have the intelligence of God. We are God-like in knowing good and evil, and in being living souls. God gives each of us a soul directly, not by nature. So evolution isn't part of that.

 

[JackRT]

It's because the sons of God (prehistoric people) diverged from Chimps 6 million years ago. When Noah's grandsons had NO other Humans (descendants of Adam) to marry, they married and produced children with the prehistoric women of 11k years ago. The children INHERITED the unique superior intelligence of God Genesis 3:22 AND the DNA of prehistoric people who were NOT Humans.

I am not sure if that is science fiction or fantasy.

 

[pitabread]

I am not sure if that is science fiction or fantasy.

I keep suggesting he should write a screenplay.

 

[the iconoclast]

Constantly. Do you know what evolution is?

Hey hey sir i believe this is our first acquaintance, it is a pleasure to meet you.

Lets say i do not know what evolution and have no access to the internet.

What is evolution and how is it constantly observed?

Ps dont be shy my dear

Cheers

 

[the iconoclast]

Obviously, it's well documented.



To what end? Many examples are documented on line.

Hey hey jimmie d

So you prefer to make statements rather than back them up. Why did you engage me, was it just to say evolution just is?

Come on what have you got my dear?

Cheers

 

[Allandavid]

Hey hey sir i believe this is our first acquaintance, it is a pleasure to meet you.

Lets say i do not know what evolution and have no access to the internet.

What is evolution and how is it constantly observed?

Ps dont be shy my dear

Cheers

A gene mutation is known as an allele. These can be inherited from generation to generation.

Evolution is the process by which the frequency of these alleles changes within a population over time.

It is observed by examining the genomes of members of a species.

 

[Kylie]

Hey @Kylie my thread got shut down. Ill start a new one shortly and continue our discussion

I saw.

I won't hold my breath.

 

[Jimmy D]

So you prefer to make statements rather than back them up. Why did you engage me, was it just to say evolution just is?

It was a while ago now but I believe I was responding to a post of yours that questioned whether evolution has been observed. I never said "evolution just is".

Are you really not aware that evolution has been observed, both in the lab and in nature?

 

[Kylie]

I do. It's the descent with modification within kinds over a period of time within a population.

But do you understand what it is? Do you understand the concept behind it, or is this dictionary definition all you've got?

 

[the iconoclast]

A gene mutation is known as an allele. These can be inherited from generation to generation.

Evolution is the process by which the frequency of these alleles changes within a population over time.

It is observed by examining the genomes of members of a species.

Hey hey my dear sir

Do you wanna get into it with me again because i want a discussion with you.

 

[the iconoclast]

I saw.

I won't hold my breath.

Hey hey my dear.

I wouldnt hold you breath either, it will be a surprise

How r u anyways? Hope you and your family are fit, and healthy.

 

[Allandavid]

Hey hey my dear sir

Do you wanna get into it with me again because i want a discussion with you.

You asked a question. I answered it.

 

[the iconoclast]

You asked a question. I answered it.

Hey hey my dear

Thank you for taking the time to address my humble question. Atm im already discussing gene mutations with my brother in Christ, @sfs.

Check it out!!!

How about we have a different discussion all together?

Cheers my Australian friend

 

[the iconoclast]

It was a while ago now but I believe I was responding to a post of yours that questioned whether evolution has been observed. I never said "evolution just is".

Are you really not aware that evolution has been observed, both in the lab and in nature?

Hey hey james.

I know you didnt say that. It was a throw back statement. I cant mention names, somebody complains readily to the mods.

Ill let you assume anything you like about me. I dont readily flip my cards over - more fun!

Well dont be shy. How has it been observed? Please provide one example that i can reference.

Ps
Im not very bright, i need you to explain what you believe to be true?

Cheers

 

[the iconoclast]

Incorrect. It a conclusion based on the evidence, which is exactly what we would expect to see if the theory is true. That's how we tell what's true -- we look at reality.

Hey hey my dear

Ahhh reality that thing we creationists dont seem to grasp.

Ok, Why would you expect to see such a thing, how do you know that this outcome points in the right way and not in a different way?

How do you know what to expect?

Why is it called the theory of evolution and not the reality of evolution?

Are you aware of a similar link (.eg your article on relativeness with chimps and humans) that proves common descent for a pig and a human?

Concluded from evidence.

Well dont be shy again, What evidence? Please supply a reference.

I supplied an article about evidence from mutations for common descent. Your question was not relevant, and yes, I know of

Well dont leave me hanging. What do you know of?

Because of genetic and fossil data.

What genetic and fossil data? Please supply your references.

The evidence you just read and are currently not explaining.

I want you to tell me as you are the expert.

Unless you want to just make statements and for me to accept it without question. Would that be systematic ie me to just accept what you have to say without question?

You wanted this discussion, you will now have it or is it you who runs away?

A mutation is any change to genetic material. If two organisms have identical DNA and one of them experiences a mutation, it now is genetically different from the first.

So what are some examples of positive mutations?

By mutating repeatedly.

Excellant. I will await for yoir examples of postive mutations?

No. It means nothing remotely like that.

Well this begs the question, why can i lion mate with a tiger, a horse with a donkey but i cannot reproduce with a chimp?

Ps i dont think this question is stupid or i wouldnt have asked?

Pss - ill let you assume anything you like about my intelligence and knowledge. If you cannot see where im going with any of this then sit back and enjoy the ride.

Huh? I want you to tell me why human and chimpanzee DNA looks like it is different because of mutations.

Lets say that i do not know. Why is it so?

Cheers saint, lets get into. I need more detail from you.

 

[Jimmy D]

I know you didnt say that. It was a throw back statement. I cant mention names, somebody complains readily to the mods.

Your post implied that I did, I'm glad we've cleared it up.

Ill let you assume anything you like about me. I dont readily flip my cards over - more fun!

I've assumed nothing about you, I merely asked a question..... which you have failed to answer.

Well dont be shy. How has it been observed? Please provide one example that i can reference.

Here's an article that provides a few examples...

Evolution: Watching Speciation Occur | Observations

 

[JackRT]

Your post implied that I did, I'm glad we've cleared it up.

I've assumed nothing about you, I merely asked a question..... which you have failed to answer.

Here's an article that provides a few examples...

Evolution: Watching Speciation Occur | Observations

That Scientific American article was extremely informative. Thanks.