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I stated it right the first time. Do you need help guides to understand science domains? Even by use of different terms?

The focus of the post was ignored.

Intelligence has to intervene in mineral-based chemical processes and developments like carburation. And crankcase massflow fuel transfer in ported 2-stroke systems.

The same applies to organic chemistry. The bio form is through intelligence intervened occurrence.

It is man who has envisioned bio occurs from organic compounds by natural processes, even olfactory system development in complex lifeforms. They wish.

If you are going to completely ignore the fact that living things reproduce with variation followed by competition for limited resources and what such a process inevitably leads to, then obviously you are going to miss the fact that development of such systems to become highly specialised for the niche they inhabit, do not require any outside intervention at all.
 
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I have a feeling that Darwin considered all his theories to be of divine source, but figured he'd get published more by not bringing it up.

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

In terms of the actual theories and accuracy thereof, it off course does not matter what Darwin did or did not believe.
 
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where to start? here is one example. the olfactory system need at least several parts for its minimal function. therefore it cant evolve stepwise.:


Figure-1-The-human-olfactory-system-The-odorant-receptors-are-localized-on-olfactory.png


https://www.researchgate.net/figure...-odorant-receptors-are-localized-on-olfactory
the olfactory system is just a variant of the sense of taste which is also just the ability to detect chemicals in water . We share that with bacteria. So our senses of smell and taste are just the ability to detect chemicals in water . I don’t know why you don’t see that this is just the bells and whistles version of the bacterial sense
 
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the olfactory system is just a variant of the sense of taste which is also just the ability to detect chemicals in water . We share that with bacteria. So our senses of smell and taste are just the ability to detect chemicals in water . I don’t know why you don’t see that this is just the bells and whistles version of the bacterial sense
are you saying that a bacteria can smell a flower for instance? does a bacteria has an olfactory rceptor?
 
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are you saying that a bacteria can smell a flower for instance? does a bacteria has an olfactory rceptor?
Do they have a nose like you or I? No. Can they "smell"? Yes.

Can self replicating cars smell? If so, how?
 
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Do they have a nose like you or I? No. Can they "smell"? Yes.

Can self replicating cars smell? If so, how?
no problem. even in such a bacteria this "olfactory system" is a complex one and cant evolve stepwise. so at best we just moved the problem to a bacteria.
 
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no problem. even in such a bacteria this "olfactory system" is a complex one and cant evolve stepwise. so at best we just moved the problem to a bacteria.
What about the self-replicating cars?
 
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no problem. even in such a bacteria this "olfactory system" is a complex one and cant evolve stepwise. so at best we just moved the problem to a bacteria.
Why do you think a complex system can't evolve stepwise?
 
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What about the self-replicating cars?

Basic self-replicating sleds had rudimentary olfactory receptors even before the wheel evolved. They had a small number of OR genes along their base to detect odor molecules.

The vast diversity of olfactory organs extant today is largely attributed to the long evolutionary life of wheeled carts. Representing an evolutionarily older class of vehicles, carts carry several ancestral OR genes on their chromosome, yet they express wide variation in these genes among individuals and species. Carts have reduced olfactory systems in comparison to cars since they only contain approximately 100 OR, whereas most cars can possess 500 to 1000.
 
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Basic self-replicating sleds had rudimentary olfactory receptors even before the wheel evolved. They had a small number of OR genes along their base to detect odor molecules.

The vast diversity of olfactory organs extant today is largely attributed to the long evolutionary life of wheeled carts. Representing an evolutionarily older class of vehicles, carts carry several ancestral OR genes on their chromosome, yet they express wide variation in these genes among individuals and species. Carts have reduced olfactory systems in comparison to cars since they only contain approximately 100 OR, whereas most cars can possess 500 to 1000.
Thanks Jimmy.

@xianghua do you agree with this explanation?
 
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because there is no stepwise to evolve such a system.
And no amount of math or physical evidence will convince you otherwise, right? But in the real world it is well understood how complex systems can evolve.
 
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Even though that video showed you exactly what you REPEATEDLY asked for xianghua. “Evolution” of inanimate objects and treating them as if they were alive . Hoisted by your own petard is how I’d describe it.
 
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This doesn’t need to be a scientific or religious dissertation, simply what you feel about the subject.

For me, I love the Bible and science, but this wondrous universe coming about spontaneously from singularity (the meaning of which I barely understand) in a big bang, without the mighty hand of God; a “single cell something” rising up from a mud hole (primordial soup of some kind) “on its own” in baron, inhospitable conditions and becoming “the common ancestor” in a linear progression to the varieties of everything on a beautifully complex earth, including man... well, just step back from all the jargon and defense for a moment and look at that picture. I know there are a lot of Christians who enjoy investigating God’s creation, I do myself (my handle is inquiring mind), but how people are completely sold on that “one in a gazillion” possibility, and at the same time regard the biblical creation by an Almighty God (however and by whatever means He desired to accomplish it) to be a fairy tale, really puzzles me.

I think I had a thought or two God gave me, and they go something like this:

That a day to the eternal One is not a 24 hour earth day. It's as long as He decides it is, because a million years is no time at all to Someone that exists outside of time. "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day."-2Peter3:8
And 1000 is likely used because it's a number that was near the upper limit of human understanding at the time of the epistle being written.

That evolution is the process of creation, and so creation is done through the process of elemental and consequent biological evolution.

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That the sequence of creation, as illustrated in Genesis, has more or less been verified by the scientific theory of evolution. (i.e. first a void with only a single Being, then space and elements, then environments of varying natures[wet, dry, hot,cold] then simple lives like bacteria and plants filling those places, then more complex lives created by compiling the preexisting simpler systems [grasses, to flowering plants, flowering plants to shrubs, shrubs to trees, etc], by this way every niche gets filled, the seas fill up with creatures that will become fish, fish become every type of fish according to the niche they're filling, some fish will lead to lungfish and mudskipper-types, that lead to amphibians, amphibians lead to reptiles, reptiles lead to both birds and small mammals, reptiles get as big as they will until God sends their walking papers(big boom). The small and or airborne reptiles and mammals survive because they are more mobile, and require less sustenance to carry on their mojos. As the ecological state re-stabilizes they become every type of mammal, reptile, and bird, according to the ecological niche they're filling. Eventually a mammalian body currently called a homo sapiens is created, thus agreeing with Genesis that mankind was the last created being of note on record and so also, according to the evolutionists, the most recent newcomer on the scene.

So there is an obvious direction, which would imply intent; from inanimate elements to animate ones, simple systems to complex ones compiled of the simple ones, from the Singular come the many and diverse, through the rough edged imperfections of nature and its impulses comes the perfection of Jesus Christ's example of what the Father, in Whom all these things live and breathe and have their existence, expects from His children. Not the world's children, for a homo sapiens is only a collection biological functions, but His children, meaning those whom He wills to awaken to human-being-hood (more than just the instinctual monkey-suit they are wearing). And it was all, is all, and will always be deliberate. And none of it has ever or will ever happen by chance. And never did a leaf or will a leaf fall from a tree, or the number of hairs on anyone's head be unknown to He in whom, by whom, through whom all these wonders come into, endure for a time, and then leave, existence. What it is, it was, and ever shall be.

Just because a homo sapiens named Charles Darwin was created, and was given the faculties and the revelation that would come to elucidate the process of creation, doesn't mean G-d could or would ever stop existing. It means that those predestined to only see the material, superficial workings of creation will barely be able to comprehend and prove that, so the odds of their coming to understand, know, or believe on He that is working invisibly behind the surface are slim and none.

Praise, Glory, and blessedness be to God in the highest, for He is all, does all, and wills all.
 
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