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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
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Actually, it can take one to know one. And if we dictate standards which are not love values of the Bible, then we are not looking in the right place. Plus, there are people who very cleverly go where unloving people are, and say oh look at those fake Christians, and they tidily stay away from the ones who are gentle and humble and quiet.
"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)
People can fear being quiet, because they can be attacked and violated by boredom and loneliness while they start to be quiet. But this is meant to keep them from becoming deeply quiet and sensitive with God Himself in us. Satan brings many unquiet things to violate and molest and rape people. And people give in to it > unforgiveness, bitterness, raging anger, dominating and dictatorial drives for pleasure and adrenaline rushes . . . so they do not settle down and submit to God in His peace. And they also can very cleverly pay attention only to the hypocritical people who make their show, and ignore the ones who are gentle and humble and quiet.
Plus, there are cruelly clever people who will say you "hate" them when you point out that wrong things are wrong. Little kids can use this trick > a caring mother or father says no, and the child screams how you "hate" him or her. And there are adults who still do this!!
So, if what you are doing is not working to get you with God and find genuinely loving people, it is because what you are doing does not work.
What does not work is making a project of pointing at the counterfeits. If you have a million dollars available to you, do you point at the counterfeits and say there is no such thing as real money?
So, yes I need real correction which only God can do in us. When I first wake up each day, I still need to stop and trust God to correct me more. I can fool my own self and not know it; I can be my own counterfeit, of self-produced stuff so inferior to all God's grace does in people, as the Bible says.
But I do keep finding that God does change me more and more to do what His word says. So, do not be fooled by how you or others fail; what else is new? We all do. But God succeeds in us.
"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)
People can fear being quiet, because they can be attacked and violated by boredom and loneliness while they start to be quiet. But this is meant to keep them from becoming deeply quiet and sensitive with God Himself in us. Satan brings many unquiet things to violate and molest and rape people. And people give in to it > unforgiveness, bitterness, raging anger, dominating and dictatorial drives for pleasure and adrenaline rushes . . . so they do not settle down and submit to God in His peace. And they also can very cleverly pay attention only to the hypocritical people who make their show, and ignore the ones who are gentle and humble and quiet.
Plus, there are cruelly clever people who will say you "hate" them when you point out that wrong things are wrong. Little kids can use this trick > a caring mother or father says no, and the child screams how you "hate" him or her. And there are adults who still do this!!
So, if what you are doing is not working to get you with God and find genuinely loving people, it is because what you are doing does not work.
What does not work is making a project of pointing at the counterfeits. If you have a million dollars available to you, do you point at the counterfeits and say there is no such thing as real money?
So, yes I need real correction which only God can do in us. When I first wake up each day, I still need to stop and trust God to correct me more. I can fool my own self and not know it; I can be my own counterfeit, of self-produced stuff so inferior to all God's grace does in people, as the Bible says.
But I do keep finding that God does change me more and more to do what His word says. So, do not be fooled by how you or others fail; what else is new? We all do. But God succeeds in us.
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I love you.
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I guess what I am looking for is the community that is really laying down their lives for one another...today.
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I would not say our group is all-out laying our lives down for one another, but we are growing and discovering one another to love and care for each other. And we do various personal and organized things to help ones who can't do anything for us.
In any case, I have better with this group, than I have had before. But this could be because God had me seek Him for correction so I could detect and appreciate and share with a church which has love. And I found out I needed them to help me get real!
So, it was not as though I first became so great on my own and was looking for people who were so great like me!! I needed God to correct me so I could tell the difference; then I was surprised to discover how . . . in my case . . . I needed them to help me then get for real. And being with others is an opportunity to test how I am doing as a loving person.
But we need that "longsuffering" > Ephesians 4:2 < our Father knows we can be wrong, at times; so we need to have our longsuffering ready so we don't give up on really fine friends and leaders when they turn out to be capable of being wrong, at times.
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We need to look for all the fruit of the Spirit: "Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfullness, Gentleness & Self Control" We can tell who has the Mind of Christ: "Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things."
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