Falling away does not mean he loses his salvation from the Lake of Fire. All who believe in Jesus will be in heaven. But, not all who believe will fare well in their life on earth, nor with receiving eternal rewards.
Some will drag on their rebellion against what God's will is for their life to an extent where God will take that believer home before his time.
"If you see any brother commit a sin that does not lead to death,
you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose
sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am
not saying that you should pray about that." 1 Jn 5:16
King Saul was a prime example of suffering the sin onto death.
"Because you did not obey the Lord or carry out his fierce wrath
against the Amalekites, the Lord has done this to you today. The
Lord will deliver both Israel and you into the hands of the Philistines,
and tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The Lord will
also give the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines.” 1 Sam 28:18-19
Samuel told King Saul that the next day (when he was to be killed) that Saul would be with him. Saved. But, no eternal rewards. And shame at his evaluation.
Philippians 2:12
Consequently, my beloved ones, just as you have always obeyed, not only during my presence but now much more readily during my absence, keep
working out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
1 Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters,adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners
will not inherit God’s Kingdom.
Galatians 5:19-21
(speaking to his already baptized flock) Now the works of the flesh are plainly seen, and they are sexual immorality, uncleanness, brazen conduct, hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects, wild parties, and things like these. I am forewarning you about these things, the same way I already warned you,
that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s Kingdom.
Hebrews 10:26
For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth,
there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left
Hebrews 6:4-6
For as regards those who were
once enlightened and who have tasted the heavenly free gift and who have become partakers of holy spirit
it is impossible to revive them again to repentance, because they nail the Son of God to the stake again for themselves and expose him to public shame.
2 Peter 2:20-21
Certainly if after escaping from the defilements of the world by an accurate knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they get involved again with these very things and are overcome, their final state has become worse for them than the first.
It would have been better for them not to have accurately known the path of righteousness than after knowing it to turn away from the holy commandment they had received.
John 15:1-6
I am the true vine, and my Father is the cultivator. for apart from me you can do nothing at all. If anyone does not
remain in union with me, he is thrown out like a branch and dries up. And men gather those branches
and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
Romans 11:17-22
However, if some of the branches were broken off and you, although being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became a sharer of the richness of the olive’s root, the branches. If, though, you are arrogant toward them, remember that you do not bear the root, but the root bears you
but you are standing by faith. Do not be haughty, but be in fear. and severity.
There is severity toward those who fell, but toward you there is God’s kindness, provided you remain in his kindness; otherwise, you too will be lopped off.
If you teach that a person can be saved and perhaps lose that salvation as you have clearly said - then I was simply saying exactly what you teach.
WOW talk about a blanket condemnation of the lives of those who don't worship as you do.
That simply isn't true by the way.
I take it that you were speaking of Protestantism in general when you talked about shifting doctrine and misspoke when you said the false gospel of the "evangelicals" and their shifting doctrine.
You have been saved by God from those who teach that there must be a time that one begins his race or the race he is running is no race at all? I doubt that that was God that brought you to believe other than that.
If the "truth of Orthodoxy" is as muddled as your presentation to the effect that there need be no beginning where the Holy Spirit starts His work in a believer and yet the one who was once so saved can lose that salvation (that they never had but was only working toward???) and that involvement with only your flavor of Christianity is the correct one and that preaching the gospel to the world unto a personal reception of it's truth for justification is nonsense and evil - I'll see your supposed truth and raise you one that isn't muddled at all but crystal clear and always has been since Paul talked to the Philippian jailer.
You must be talking about Protestants not evangelists. What you say makes no sense at all.
Look - my presentation in other posts as to why I would bother to preach the gospel to a person who was already involved in the Christian religion (perhaps like yourself for instance) was well reasoned, well presented and made complete sense. What is more it is based on actual observation of religious people and their lack of a starting point in a race they claimed to be running as well as scriptures I provided for you.
I showed you scriptures that told of the various tenses for salvation including the present tense and you still insist that the Christian walk only includes step 2 and 3.
That makes no sense at all. You are arguing either just out of pride or perhaps because you yourself have not begun the race you claim to be running.
You obviously think that you have come out from a false view of salvation and have entered a true one. That may be the case depending on what you believed before entering the Orthodox church. I wouldn't know.
But what I have given to you is the truth and what you have presented is a muddle of partial truths and untruths argued from a position of nonsense.
Hopefully someone here will read my scriptures and reasoning and see that where I have been coming from all along is valid and true.
Hopefully someone will see your race running without a beginning for what it is - nonsense.
Whatever the case - it's all been said. You have received God's Word on the matter and I am praying that it will not return to Him without accomplishing what He sent it out through me to accomplish.
What are you talking about when you say the race has no beginning? Of course it has a beginning. In faith coming into Christ's church and being baptized, being born anew, and hopefully growing in the faith and not leaving it.
I am talking about evangelicals, many of whom are also protestant. I don't understand how that doesn't make sense. You can't just say I am giving muddled truths without any evidence or explanation to the contrary. You conveniently ignore the scripture I am posting. I believed the same exact thing every southern Baptist evangelical believes. You keep talking about verb tenses of salvation but seem to ignore the context of the word salvation used. Any time it is used in the present tense it is used to speak of salvation from sin, not necessarily eternal. Salvation from the passions and salvation of life eternal are two different things. Paul distinguishes between the two.
As if Christ didn't build any church but yours. We attend fake churches I suppose?
There is only one church, and it didn't start in the 1800s with the latter revival movement. Call your congregation what you will but Christ founded one Church with the twelve apostles who set up a structure that has stood for 2000 years. People break away, people form their own sects- But there is only one Church, as there is only one truth.
