LDS Damnation for Refusal to Become Mormon

[Rescued One]

You said: "He said non-Mormons don't worship God." No, he didn't say that either. One thing I do know is that Elohim is plural.

According to Mormonism the Father Elohim is not plural.

If people worship a giant or a monster they aren't worshiping God.

"And virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit."
Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.269

 

[Rescued One]

Those are nice scriptures but bible words do not convey priesthood authority, because:
Hebrews 5:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.

IOW you do not just get to decide that you are worthy to preach and baptize people, you do not take this priesthood honor upon yourself, you must be called of God as was Aaron, being ordained by Moses, with the laying on of hands. This is the model. This keeps order in the church so people can't just go willy-nilly teaching their gospel and baptizing.

Mormons most certainly can't decide that one person is worthy and another isn't!

 

[Peter1000]

There are also graduate courses in Greek mythology. Whether kindergarten level or graduate doctorate---neither is true, neither saves---same with the writings of JS.

There is graduate courses in religion. We know this because the Corinthians, and the Hebrews could not pass the bachelors degree courses, and would not accept the graduate courses Paul was willing and wanting to teach them.

Bachelors degree = milk, in NT language
Graduate degree = meat, in NT language

See Hebrews 5:11-14
See 1 Corinthians 3:2

 

[Peter1000]

Mormons most certainly can't decide that one person is worthy and another isn't!

Worthy of what?

 

[Peter1000]

According to Mormonism the Father Elohim is not plural.

If people worship a giant or a monster they aren't worshiping God.

"And virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit."
Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.269

Then his name would be "El". Elohim is what we call the first God mentioned in Genesis 1:1. That is because that is what Moses called him. It is plural and we believe that it suggests that the Gods there was more than 1 God involved in the spirit creation in the first chapter of Genesis. Then in the second chapter of Genesis the Lord God Jesus was chosen to do the natural creation of all things.

It is a fascinating subject, but JS was right on target.

 

[Peter1000]

Bible words mean nothing to those who do not hold the bible as the word of God. To all others---they are what we go by!
Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

You can go by them all you want, but those bible words do not transfer priesthood authority to any man or woman.

 

[Peter1000]

I realize you believe that your keys and priesthood and rituals save----the bible says otherwise---JESUS ALONE SAVES. No one contradicts what Jesus says. What do you think Jesus is doing now--as our High Priest in the Heavenly sanctuary? He takes each individual and He places His shed blood on the person that has taken Him as His God and thus covers his sins with His righteousness. He started with those that died first and has been working His way forward. The saved are written in the Book of Life. Then
When He is done He will say "IT IS DONE." His High Priest duties will be at an end. That is when He says:
Rev_22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

No one can change thier mind then---all will have made their permanent decisions.

You baptisms for the dead do nothing. Jesus alone pleads His blood be on the saved---Not Peter not any priest, Not JS has a say in the matter for Jesus alone knows the heart. Not even a spouce or parent or sibling knows another's hidden thoughts---certainly no priest. He alone can know and cover anyone with His righteousness--no one else can do it for Him. Luther was right.

So you do not believe the bible when it says that the apostles will be judges sitting on thrones?

 

[mmksparbud]

There is graduate courses in religion. We know this because the Corinthians, and the Hebrews could not pass the bachelors degree courses, and would not accept the graduate courses Paul was willing and wanting to teach them.

Bachelors degree = milk, in NT language
Graduate degree = meat, in NT language

See Hebrews 5:11-14
See 1 Corinthians 3:2

A graduate course in Mormonism will not get you saved. A kindergarten course in the gospel of the bible will save you.

 

[Peter1000]

Mormon keys are absolutely malarkey and have nothing to do with the real God.

You can say malarkey all you want, but the bible, although not crystal clear, has enough to offer about the priesthood that one should wonder why their pastors don't have the preisthood.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only church that even talks about Melchizedec Priesthood, let alone says that they possess the keys of the priesthood and use them.

 

[mmksparbud]

So you do not believe the bible when it says that the apostles will be judges sitting on thrones?

Sure I do. What has the 12 apostles sitting on the thrones of judges got to do with anybody else? Judgement is given to Jesus Christ alone---we get to examine the books of everyone else also---and we will all agree with the judgment He has given everyone. Are you not aware that it is God that is on trial before the universe??? When Satan rebelled, he slandered God. As he did before the council in heaven over Job--"the only reason Job doesn't curse you is because you have a hedge of protection around him."--What did he say to all the angels that caused 1/3 of them to follow him??? If you read the story of Absalom trying to ursurp his father's throne you will see what he did. It was not till the cross that the true character of Satan was seen, and the true character of God was seen by the whole universe. We need to see why our loved ones, whom we thought would make it, didn't, and why those we didn't think would make it, did. Everyone gets to see that the judgements of God are just and none will ever wonder about it. That is what we do during the 1000 year reign with God in heaven. Nobody tells Jesus who to let in or keep out.

 

[mmksparbud]

You can say malarkey all you want, but the bible, although not crystal clear, has enough to offer about the priesthood that one should wonder why their pastors don't have the preisthood.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only church that even talks about Melchizedec Priesthood, let alone says that they possess the keys of the priesthood and use them.

I have absolutely no need to wonder why we don't---I only wonder why others do.

 

[mmksparbud]

You can go by them all you want, but those bible words do not transfer priesthood authority to any man or woman.

You are absolutely rifght---because there is no priesthood authority.

 

[He is the way]

According to Mormonism the Father Elohim is not plural.

If people worship a giant or a monster they aren't worshiping God.

"And virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit."
Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.269

Elohim is plural.
(Book of Mormon | Mosiah 15:4)

4 And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth.

 

[He is the way]

Mormons most certainly can't decide that one person is worthy and another isn't!

God decides who is worthy and who is not worthy:

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 121:34 - 38)

34 Behold, there are many called, but few are chosen. And why are they not chosen?
35 Because their hearts are set so much upon the things of this world, and aspire to the honors of men, that they do not learn this one lesson—
36 That the rights of the priesthood are inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that the powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of righteousness.
37 That they may be conferred upon us, it is true; but when we undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness, behold, the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man.
38 Behold, ere he is aware, he is left unto himself, to kick against the pricks, to persecute the saints, and to fight against God.

 

[Peter1000]

You are absolutely rifght---because there is no priesthood nauthority.

No, not because there is no priesthood, but because the words of a book do not pass the true priesthood power to men.

 

[Peter1000]

I have absolutely no need to wonder why we don't---I only wonder why others do.

You wonder why people do because you know you don't have the priesthood. So you think: if we don't have it, why should any other church have it?

The question you should be asking is: Why doesn't our church talk about priesthood authority. Just because the Catholics had a corrupted priesthood, the Church of Jesus Christ of First-century Saints did.
So what happened to it?

These are interesting questions that all Christendom should be asking.

 

[Peter1000]

Sure I do. What has the 12 apostles sitting on the thrones of judges got to do with anybody else? Judgement is given to Jesus Christ alone---we get to examine the books of everyone else also---and we will all agree with the judgment He has given everyone. Are you not aware that it is God that is on trial before the universe??? When Satan rebelled, he slandered God. As he did before the council in heaven over Job--"the only reason Job doesn't curse you is because you have a hedge of protection around him."--What did he say to all the angels that caused 1/3 of them to follow him??? If you read the story of Absalom trying to ursurp his father's throne you will see what he did. It was not till the cross that the true character of Satan was seen, and the true character of God was seen by the whole universe. We need to see why our loved ones, whom we thought would make it, didn't, and why those we didn't think would make it, did. Everyone gets to see that the judgements of God are just and none will ever wonder about it. That is what we do during the 1000 year reign with God in heaven. Nobody tells Jesus who to let in or keep out.

You say sure I believe the bible that the 12 apostles sit on thrones of judgement.
But then you say that Jesus alone judges. That is an oxymoron.

Just what exactly are the 12 apostles judging? The scriptures say they will judge the House of Israel. Does that mean they take the place of Jesus's judgement, or do they somehow assist Jesus in the judgement process?

You must admit they will be a part of the judgement process somehow? I guess we will have to wait and see what. But the scripture proves that Jesus will not be alone in the judgement process. He may be alone in the final judgement, for those who do not make it through the apostles judgement.

 

[mmksparbud]

You wonder why people do because you know you don't have the priesthood. So you think: if we don't have it, why should any other church have it?

The question you should be asking is: Why doesn't our church talk about priesthood authority. Just because the Catholics had a corrupted priesthood, the Church of Jesus Christ of First-century Saints did.
So what happened to it?

These are interesting questions that all Christendom should be asking.

That thought never crosses my mind. I know why we don't and it is just not biblical. The reason you do is because JS said so, if he had said no---you would not have one either. Bit JS liked to be in authority and have control. The very first Christians had no priesthood at all. It was started by the Catholic church. Like Sunday keeping you guys just kept the aspects of Catholic practices that JS liked.

 

[mmksparbud]

You say sure I believe the bible that the 12 apostles sit on thrones of judgement.
But then you say that Jesus alone judges. That is an oxymoron.

Just what exactly are the 12 apostles judging? The scriptures say they will judge the House of Israel. Does that mean they take the place of Jesus's judgement, or do they somehow assist Jesus in the judgement process?

You must admit they will be a part of the judgement process somehow? I guess we will have to wait and see what. But the scripture proves that Jesus will not be alone in the judgement process. He may be alone in the final judgement, for those who do not make it through the apostles judgement.

Not at all. The judgment you talk about and the judgement that is biblically meant are 2 different things. I already explained the biblical judgment. Didn't you read it? The 12 hold a unique place in heaven. They have nothing to decide as far as who gets into or stays out of heaven. That decision will have already been made by Jesus when He finishes His High Priestly duties. When He comes for us---"His reward is with me." It's a done deal. And what His reward?

Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

What do you think is going to happen?---Somebody has been granted eternal life and 1 of the apostles says--"No!" and God is going to take away what He has already given??? God doesn't make mistakes---obviously---yours does. There are probably all sorts of decisions to be made about the running of the remade earth that certain people will be given the authority to do. At the council in Job---Satan was there representing this earth--so, there is obviously some sort of hierarchy---don't know---don't care. I have no personal ambitions about being in authority--in this world or the next.

 

[He is the way]

Not at all. The judgment you talk about and the judgement that is biblically meant are 2 different things. I already explained the biblical judgment. Didn't you read it? The 12 hold a unique place in heaven. They have nothing to decide as far as who gets into or stays out of heaven. That decision will have already been made by Jesus when He finishes His High Priestly duties. When He comes for us---"His reward is with me." It's a done deal. And what His reward?

Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

What do you think is going to happen?---Somebody has been granted eternal life and 1 of the apostles says--"No!" and God is going to take away what He has already given??? God doesn't make mistakes---obviously---yours does. There are probably all sorts of decisions to be made about the running of the remade earth that certain people will be given the authority to do. At the council in Job---Satan was there representing this earth--so, there is obviously some sort of hierarchy---don't know---don't care. I have no personal ambitions about being in authority--in this world or the next.

You said: "They have nothing to decide as far as who gets into or stays out of heaven." Citation needed.