What do you think of Monophysites, Monothelites and Monoenergetics?

[Not David]

Do you think they are heretics or do you disagree with the Ecumenical Councils?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Do you think they are heretics or do you disagree with the Ecumenical Councils?

Sorry, I thought this was life & science and we were talking about parasites.

I guess for my next post I could google what those mono terms actually mean. . .

 

[Not David]

Sorry, I thought this was life & science and we were talking about parasites.

I guess for my next post I could google what those mono terms actually mean. . .

Lol. Mono means one.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Monophysites
a person who holds that in the person of Jesus Christ there is only one nature (wholly divine or only subordinately human), not two.

Monothelitism (a Greek loanword meaning "one will") is a particular teaching about how the divine and human relate in the person of Jesus, known as a Christological doctrine. Specifically, Monothelitism teaches that Jesus Christ had two natures but only one will. This is contrary to the orthodox interpretation of Christology, which teaches that Jesus Christ has two wills (human and divine) corresponding to his two natures. Monothelitism is a development of the Monophysitism position in the Christological debates. It enjoyed considerable support in the seventh century before being rejected as heretical at the Sixth Ecumenical Council in 680.

monoenergetic (comparative more monoenergetic, superlative most monoenergetic)

1. (physics) Describing radiation consisting of particles (or waves) having a narrow range of energies

Monoenergism (Greek: μονοενεργητισμός) was a notion in early medieval Christian theology, representing the belief that Christ had only one "energy" (energeia).

Monophysites didn't believe Jesus was God, so that's not related to Christian Belief.

MonoThelites say Jesus only had one will, as opposed to Him having two wills? Is will in this context meaning nature? Since Jesus wasn't divided, this distinction doesn't make sense, perhaps some more context.

Monoenergism sounds like Taoism, but is a western Idea so what were they saying?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Lol. Mono means one.

I get that part, it's also that illness no one wants.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Do you think they are heretics or do you disagree with the Ecumenical Councils?

I think most people won't understand what the heresy is trying to communicate nowadays, so it's not as dangerous as when it made more sense.

 

[dzheremi]

Find one and I'll tell you.

Monothelitism and Monophysitism are both heresies to all who accept the three Ecumenical Councils.

 

[Not David]

Monophysites
a person who holds that in the person of Jesus Christ there is only one nature (wholly divine or only subordinately human), not two.

Monothelitism (a Greek loanword meaning "one will") is a particular teaching about how the divine and human relate in the person of Jesus, known as a Christological doctrine. Specifically, Monothelitism teaches that Jesus Christ had two natures but only one will. This is contrary to the orthodox interpretation of Christology, which teaches that Jesus Christ has two wills (human and divine) corresponding to his two natures. Monothelitism is a development of the Monophysitism position in the Christological debates. It enjoyed considerable support in the seventh century before being rejected as heretical at the Sixth Ecumenical Council in 680.

monoenergetic (comparative more monoenergetic, superlative most monoenergetic)

1. (physics) Describing radiation consisting of particles (or waves) having a narrow range of energies

Monoenergism (Greek: μονοενεργητισμός) was a notion in early medieval Christian theology, representing the belief that Christ had only one "energy" (energeia).

Monophysites didn't believe Jesus was God, so that's not related to Christian Belief.

MonoThelites say Jesus only had one will, as opposed to Him having two wills? Is will in this context meaning nature? Since Jesus wasn't divided, this distinction doesn't make sense, perhaps some more context.

Monoenergism sounds like Taoism, but is a western Idea so what were they saying?

I don't think every monophysite believe Jesus wasn't God, but that Jesus had only a divine nature or that the divine nature consumed the human nature.

Monothelites believe that Jesus only has a divine will instead of a human will and the divine one. We have a human will while God has a divine will, they denied Jesus had both.

I need more information on monoenegism but I believe God does not have one energy but multiple ones.

 

[Not David]

I think most people won't understand what the heresy is trying to communicate nowadays, so it's not as dangerous as when it made more sense.

Well, a lot of people don't know Nestorianism but they profess it when denying Mary is the Mother of God.

 

[Not David]

Find one and I'll tell you.

Monothelitism and Monophysitism are both heresies to all who accept the three Ecumenical Councils.

What does the OO believe about Monoenergism?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I don't think every monophysite believe Jesus wasn't God, but that Jesus had only a divine nature or that the divine nature consumed the human nature.

Monothelites believe that Jesus only has a divine will instead of a human will and the divine one. We have a human will while God has a divine will, they denied Jesus had both.

I need more information on monoenegism but I believe God does not have one energy but multiple ones.

So monophysites also believed that Jesus was a ghost with supernatural powers then, that's pretty passe I think.

So Monothelites thought that Jesus wasn't fully human and fully divine in the sense that either He saw the human perspective, or the divine perspective but not both. I guess I could see that being an issue today, people not understanding how Jesus could be a human but not sin may suppose that He didn't know what it was like to be like us because He was just a divine mind among us.

Monoenergism would be an issue if it meant that each person in the trinity was not a person in addition to being God. However, since it's medieval in origin, I'm not sure what kind of crazy they had in mind.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Well, a lot of people don't know Nestorianism but they profess it when denying Mary is the Mother of God.

I would not deny that Mary is the Mother of Jesus, nor that Jesus is God. However, that statement when taken wrong would mean Mary was the mother of God in eternity before He created anything, which is not true.

 

[Not David]

So monophysites also believed that Jesus was a ghost with supernatural powers then, that's pretty passe I think.

So Monothelites thought that Jesus wasn't fully human and fully divine in the sense that either He saw the human perspective, or the divine perspective but not both. I guess I could see that being an issue today, people not understanding how Jesus could be a human but not sin may suppose that He didn't know what it was like to be like us because He was just a divine mind among us.

Monoenergism would be an issue if it meant that each person in the trinity was not a person in addition to being God. However, since it's medieval in origin, I'm not sure what kind of crazy they had in mind.

Monophysites thought Jesus had a human body but a divine nature.

 

[Not David]

I would not deny that Mary is the Mother of Jesus, nor that Jesus is God. However, that statement when taken wrong would mean Mary was the mother of God in eternity before He created anything, which is not true.

Like people believing we worship three gods?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Monophysites thought Jesus had a human body but a divine nature.

Explain in more detail. I get the sense it's against the hypostatic union dealio, but not sure in what way.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Like people believing we worship three gods?

I tell you the truth, the closest I got to explaining the trinity to someone not born again was Modalism. The actual thing cannot make sense unless you experience that type of unity as part of the church.

 

[Not David]

Explain in more detail. I get the sense it's against the hypostatic union dealio, but not sure in what way.

There are two major doctrines that can indisputably be called "monophysite":

• Apollinarism or Apollinarianism holds that Christ had a human body and human "living principle" but that the Divine Logoshad taken the place of the nous, or "thinking principle", analogous but not identical to what might be called a mind in the present day. Apollinarism was condemned as a heresy at the First Ecumenical Council of Constantinople in 381.
• Eutychianism, which has been considered an extreme form of monophysitism,[5] holds that the human and divine natures of Christ were fused into one new single (mono) nature: His human nature was "dissolved like a drop of honey in the sea."[a]Eutychianism was condemned at the Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon in 451. Eutychianism was also condemned at the non-chalcedonian Third Council of Ephesus in 475.

 

[Monk Brendan]

Do you think they are heretics or do you disagree with the Ecumenical Councils?

NOBODY is a monophysite, monoergist, or monothelite today as defined and condemned by the Ecumenical Councils--if there ever were.

Even the Assyrian Church of the East is not Nestorian. The only true Nestorians I have found are some Protestants.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

There are two major doctrines that can indisputably be called "monophysite":

• Apollinarism or Apollinarianism holds that Christ had a human body and human "living principle" but that the Divine Logoshad taken the place of the nous, or "thinking principle", analogous but not identical to what might be called a mind in the present day. Apollinarism was condemned as a heresy at the First Ecumenical Council of Constantinople in 381.
• Eutychianism, which has been considered an extreme form of monophysitism,[5] holds that the human and divine natures of Christ were fused into one new single (mono) nature: His human nature was "dissolved like a drop of honey in the sea."[a]Eutychianism was condemned at the Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon in 451. Eutychianism was also condemned at the non-chalcedonian Third Council of Ephesus in 475.

What was the specific reason the third council condemed Eutychianism?

Today a lot of Christians seem to think something similar to Eutychianism or Apollinarism in moments between thoughts. Kind of like it's the wind-up or foundation of a lot of thinking, but never actually expressed.

So the "holy thing" that was placed in Mary's womb when the Holy Spirit overshadowed her, What was the result according to the councils?

 

[Tree of Life]

Do you think they are heretics or do you disagree with the Ecumenical Councils?

Heresies all.