CAN CHRIST HAVE MORE THAN ONE WIFE ??

[Dan Perez]

Hi to all and many say that the BODY OF CHRIST is the BRIDE OF CHRIST ?

I say NO , and Christ already has and EX - WIFE , in Jer 3:8 and then wants yet another WIFE ??

Will they ever RECONCILE with His EX ??

What say you ?

dan p

 

[KWCrazy]

Blasphemy:
1 a: the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for Godaccused of blasphemy
b: the act of claiming the attributes of a deityfor a mere man to suggest that he was … divine could only be viewed … as blasphemy— John Bright †1889
2: irreverence toward something considered sacred or inviolable.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Hi to all and many say that the BODY OF CHRIST is the BRIDE OF CHRIST ?

I say NO , and Christ already has and EX - WIFE , in Jer 3:8 and then wants yet another WIFE ??

Will they ever RECONCILE with His EX ??

What say you ?

dan p

Israel was the bride of the Father,

The church is the bride of the Son,

The Holy Spirit indwells us

The Father indwelt Jesus.

 

[TuxAme]

Who is Jesus' "ex" ?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Who is Jesus' "ex" ?

It does seem to be a misunderstanding of the Trinity, doesn't it?

 

[Dan Perez]

It does seem to be a misunderstanding of the Trinity, doesn't it?

And all one has to do is read Jer 3:1-25 and verse 14 says that CHRIST and Israel were married !!

And we do know that Israel and Judah will be reconciled at the SECOND COMING at the end of the GREAT TRIBULATION !!

dan p

 

[Gregory Thompson]

See next post.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Hi to all and many say that the BODY OF CHRIST is the BRIDE OF CHRIST ?

I say NO , and Christ already has and EX - WIFE , in Jer 3:8 and then wants yet another WIFE ??

Will they ever RECONCILE with His EX ??

What say you ?

dan p

Try actually reading the Bible.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

And all one has to do is read Jer 3:1-25 and verse 14 says that CHRIST and Israel were married !!

And we do know that Israel and Judah will be reconciled at the SECOND COMING at the end of the GREAT TRIBULATION !!

dan p

Did you not know that the name of Jesus means the Salvation of YHWH,

LORD = YHWH

The person in the Trinity spoken of in Jeremiah 3 cannot be Jesus, it is the Father.

We actually do not know that Israel and Judah will be reconciled at the second coming, since this is not written. However, Israel and Judah were united when the apostles started preaching to Samaria, read Acts.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Did you not know that the name of Jesus means the Salvation of YHWH,

LORD = YHWH

The person in the Trinity spoken of in Jeremiah 3 cannot be Jesus, it is the Father.

We actually do not know that Israel and Judah will be reconciled at the second coming, since this is not written. However, Israel and Judah were united when the apostles started preaching to Samaria, read Acts.

He quotes Jeremiah 3:8 where God divorced Israel because of their idolatry and fornication. Therefore He is free to marry another, and so He will when He takes His Bride, which is the church/

 

[Gregory Thompson]

He quotes Jeremiah 3:8 where God divorced Israel because of their idolatry and fornication. Therefore He is free to marry another, and so He will when He takes His Bride, which is the church/

Sounds like a heretical version of Mormonism to me.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Sounds like a heretical version of Mormonism to me.

Not so. We see that when God divorced the Northern Kingdom of Israel, the Assyrians came down and totally destroyed it, massacred millions of them, and the 10 Northern tribes disappeared from existence. He gave Judah more time because of David, but they fell into idolatry and so God deserted them and the Babylonians destroyed it too.
This mean that henceforth there was no Israel at all, until 1949. Even now, Israel is just a secular nation made up of the Jews who were scattered around the world. Judaea, in Christ's time was a Roman province and not a sovereign nation. Because it did not receive the Son of God, it was destroyed by the Romans in AD70. Then it became just Palestine until 1949.

There are a number of references in the New Testament that refer to the church as the Bride of Christ, and the Marriage supper of the Lamb. Christian marriage, according to Paul, is a reflection of the great Marriage of Christ and His church.

This is quite different from Mormon doctrine. It is Bible.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Not so. We see that when God divorced the Northern Kingdom of Israel, the Assyrians came down and totally destroyed it, massacred millions of them, and the 10 Northern tribes disappeared from existence. He gave Judah more time because of David, but they fell into idolatry and so God deserted them and the Babylonians destroyed it too.
This mean that henceforth there was no Israel at all, until 1949. Even now, Israel is just a secular nation made up of the Jews who were scattered around the world. Judaea, in Christ's time was a Roman province and not a sovereign nation. Because it did not receive the Son of God, it was destroyed by the Romans in AD70. Then it became just Palestine until 1949.

There are a number of references in the New Testament that refer to the church as the Bride of Christ, and the Marriage supper of the Lamb. Christian marriage, according to Paul, is a reflection of the great Marriage of Christ and His church.

This is quite different from Mormon doctrine. It is Bible.

I understand the histories, I've read it, just that spin on it (equating this to actual marriage doctrine) sounds like Polygamy, so I disagree. As the scripture says God "was like a husband to her" but it's a parable. (unless you're saying all the men in Israel were ladies too, see? it's a parable to illustrate a point)

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I understand the histories, I've read it, just that spin on it (equating this to actual marriage doctrine) sounds like Polygamy, so I disagree. As the scripture says God "was like a husband to her" but it's a parable.

Because we are still in this world, in mortal bodies, we know only in part. I think that we will know more fully about these things when we are in glory and know as we are known. I think the symbol, or figure of marriage concerning Christ and His church is the way that Christ has described the covenant bond between Him and His church. We are united to Christ by faith in His finished work on the cross and we have hope in our resurrection on the last day because of Christ's resurrection from the dead.

I really do think that the OP's question does make light of something that is sacred and holy, and that it puts a tarnish on the preciousness of it.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

and that it puts a tarnish on the preciousness of it.

Yeah it sounded mormony in the sense that mormons even call it heresy.

 

[Messerve]

Blasphemy:
1 a: the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for Godaccused of blasphemy
b: the act of claiming the attributes of a deityfor a mere man to suggest that he was … divine could only be viewed … as blasphemy— John Bright †1889

Don't be so fast to accuse others of blasphemy... That's a very hard judgment. I think you simply misunderstand his question.

God referred to Israel's people as being like a bride who had been unfaithful (think Hosea and Gomer). But He never gave up on them despite their rebellion. So Dan Perez is confused that the Church is also referred to as the Bride of Christ, making it appear as if God simply abandoned Israel and found a new "bride" instead.

But that isn't at all the case! The twelve disciples themselves were Jewish as were the earliest Christians and many Christians throughout history. God hasn't give up on his original "bride". He's simply allowed Gentile, non-Jewish people to share that honor, as was His ultimate plan all along. He often instructed the Israelites to share about Him amongst the nations, but they didn't do that very well for the most part. And there are Gentile worshipers of God throughout the Old Testament (Rahab, Naaman, Ruth... ) further proving that God's "bride" was never intended to be restricted to just them.

So original bride is still the same bride. And though many Jewish people don't know Jesus today, the Bible seems to make it clear that that will happen through Gentile believers eventually.

 

[mmksparbud]

Hi to all and many say that the BODY OF CHRIST is the BRIDE OF CHRIST ?

I say NO , and Christ already has and EX - WIFE , in Jer 3:8 and then wants yet another WIFE ??

Will they ever RECONCILE with His EX ??

What say you ?

dan p

In the OT Israel was likened to an adulteress wife---she was not described as an "ex-wife." The bible does not say God divorced her.
The NT says that the New Jerusalem is His bride and we all are going to come to the wedding supper.


Rev_21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev_21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Rev_22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Yeah it sounded mormony in the sense that mormons even call it heresy.

Doesn't go along with the Mormon doctrine of celestial marriage.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Doesn't go along with the Mormon doctrine of celestial marriage.

Seemed to be angling for sure tho.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Don't be so fast to accuse others of blasphemy... That's a very hard judgment. I think you simply misunderstand his question.

God referred to Israel's people as being like a bride who had been unfaithful (think Hosea and Gomer). But He never gave up on them despite their rebellion. So Dan Perez is confused that the Church is also referred to as the Bride of Christ, making it appear as if God simply abandoned Israel and found a new "bride" instead.

But that isn't at all the case! The twelve disciples themselves were Jewish as were the earliest Christians and many Christians throughout history. God hasn't give up on his original "bride". He's simply allowed Gentile, non-Jewish people to share that honor, as was His ultimate plan all along. He often instructed the Israelites to share about Him amongst the nations, but they didn't do that very well for the most part. And there are Gentile worshipers of God throughout the Old Testament (Rahab, Naaman, Ruth... ) further proving that God's "bride" was never intended to be restricted to just them.

So original bride is still the same bride. And though many Jewish people don't know Jesus today, the Bible seems to make it clear that that will happen through Gentile believers eventually.

I don't see that in the New Testament. What I do see is that the Christian church is described as "the new Israel". The bond with the old Israel no longer exists. The Old Covenant has now been cancelled and put aside and replace with the New Covenant between God and those who are in Christ - so that God no longer sees people as Jew or Gentile any longer, but one in Christ.