Law of sin and death?

[1stcenturylady]

As you say, some suggested. Have you separated the Law of Righteousness from the law of sin and death?

I see the law of righteousness is the same as the law of sin and death, but neither worked. Why?

 

[1stcenturylady]

As it says apart from the law of righteousness, this is where mercy steps in

Mercy? I see it a little differently. What do you mean by mercy and the law of righteousness?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Yes indeed, the law is good as long as it is used lawfully. The law is holy and good, the law is intended to give life (Romans 7:10).

Yes, the law is holy, so why instead of life did it bring death?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Israel broke the law, separating faith from the law. Faith is based on the law, faith must be practiced lawfully. Abraham was made righteous by his faith, not works from the law.

If you have faith do you break the law or keep it?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Faith is not based on the law, faith is based on your relationship with God. The law is the defining of what is sin.
Ezekiel 18:21
But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Ezekiel 33:14
Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Sin is described in the Bible as transgression of the law of God (1 John 3:4)

If you have no law of God you have no definition of sin. God will have no law by which He can make judgment on the last day.

This is true. So why did Paul say we are NOT under the law? Certainly not to be lawless, and sinful, so what is the culminating point Paul is coming to?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Paul the pharisee wrote that the law is not based on faith, but the contrary; faith is based on the law. The law of sin and death becomes evident when the law is based on faith. I am speaking about the law of the Spirit of life, the law of sin and death. The comparison between two spiritual things (Romans 7:14), Mark 10:8 is referring to the joining of two carnal things or flesh; male and female.

By use of the comma, you seem to be saying that the law of the Spirit of life IS the law of sin and death.

That is not true, so what are you really trying to say. I think you made a typo.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Male and female can not become one body or one flesh until death of the body; the law of sin and death, husband and wife become like one pile of dirt, same lump of clay (Romans 9:21).

Isn't he talking about two brothers, not a male and female? Where did you get this interpretation?

 

[pinacled]

I see the law of righteousness is the same as the law of sin and death, but neither worked. Why?

The Torah/ law of sin and death of flesh reminds me of adamah and chavah. They were one in flesh. After they lost their covering Adonai provided another with a promise.

A temporal covering to remind them and their children of The Glory to come.
And when Yeshua became the Head of man and woman, become....?
With the Head of Yeshua being....?

There is a command with a promise as ole sh'aul midrashed about no flesh can glory.
Likewise the corruptable is raised incorruptable.
Discretion is important when reading his letters to the many.

Blessed be The Holy One

 

[1stcenturylady]

Sin had its beginning with Lucifer, probably the most beautiful and powerful of the angels. Not content with his position, he desired to be higher than God, and that was his downfall, the beginning of sin (Isaiah 14:12-15). Sin has been passed down through all the generations of mankind and we have inherited sin from him. Romans 5:12 tells us that through Adam sin entered the world, and so death was passed on to all men because “the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23).

Types of sin
Inherent Inclination to sin.

King David lamented this condition of fallen human nature in Psalm 51:5: “Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.”

Imputed sin

Greek word “imputed” means “to take something that belongs to someone and credit it to another’s account.” Before the Law of Moses was given, sin was not imputed to man, although men were still sinners because of inherited sin. After the Law was given, sins committed in violation of the Law were imputed (accounted) to them (Romans 5:13)

Personal Sin

Once we confess our personal sins to God and ask forgiveness for them, we are restored to perfect fellowship and communion with Him. “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9).

Yes, well written. This is exactly true. It gives you a huge clue as to why Jesus came which many can't fathom.

Sin of Ignorance

Can't claim ignorance of sin. All sins are before God, and must be confessed.
Leviticus 4:13
And if the whole congregation of Israel sin through ignorance, and the thing be hid from the eyes of the assembly, and they have done somewhat against any of the commandments of the Lord concerning things which should not be done, and are guilty;

Leviticus 5:17
And if a soul sin, and commit any of these things which are forbidden to be done by the commandments of the Lord; though he wist it not, yet is he guilty, and shall bear his iniquity.
Penalty for sin is death (Romans 6:23), not just physical death but eternal death (Revelation 20:11-15).

I don't agree, you skipped right over Leviticus 5:15 and went to 17.

Intention and knowledge is everything in God's eyes; one leading to death, one leading not to death, but there is still a "condition" that the second is not unto death.

 

[1stcenturylady]

The Torah/ law of sin and death of flesh reminds me of adamah and chavah. They were one in flesh. After they lost their covering Adonai provided another with a promise.

A temporal covering to remind them and their children of The Glory to come.
And when Yeshua came the Head of man and woman become....?
With the Head of Yeshua being....?

There is a command with a promise as ole sh'aul midrashed about no flesh can glory.
Likewise the corruptable is raised incorruptable.
Discretion is important when reading his letters to the many.

Blessed be The Holy One

This doesn't tell me why the "law of righteousness" and the "law of sin and death" are not referring to the same thing in Scripture. Show me.

 

[1stcenturylady]

The law of sin and death is found in the book Romans. Perhaps the law of sin and death pertains to the Roman rule over the Jews. Paul also appealed to Cesar.

Wrong. Paul says what it is, you don't need to guess.

 

[pinacled]

This doesn't tell me why the "law of righteousness" and the "law of sin and death" are not referring to the same thing in Scripture. Show me.

You already answered your question in the previous post to my sis viz.

"For lack of knowledge my people are.........

Knowledge of the Promised blessings to come fullfold in Yeshua had been forgotten and people became arrogant in thinking they were the way to salvation. Even today in this era the lawlessness is taught to some.

Do you recall what The Lord instructed Nathan to tell David about his desire to build a temple.

Think of how they glorified the workmanship of strange hands in comparison to offering strange fire..

Chastisement comes only from The Lord of righteous judgement..The Lord of Lights

But, elihu(Satan) will lie and call suffering for good works that he alone hates..something like chastisment from the Lord.
Such a liar did so in the account of iyov.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Law of sin and death; not law of life and death. The law of the Spirit of life.

It actually says the "law of the Spirit of life IN CHRIST." So how does that free us from the law of sin and death - and what IS the law of sin and death do you think?

 

[1stcenturylady]

You already answered your question in the previous post to my sis viz.

"For lack of knowledge my people are.........

Knowledge of the Promised blessings to come fullfold in Yeshua had been forgotten and people became arrogant in thinking they were the way to salvation. Even today in this era the lawlessness is taught to some.

Do you recall what The Lord instructed Nathan to tell David about his desire to build a temple.

Think of how they glorified the workmanship of strange hands in comparison to offering strange fire..

Chastisement is comes from The Lord of righteous judgement..

But, elihu(Satan) will lie and call suffering for good works that he alone hates..

Okay, don't answer my question.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Moses hid his face as a sign unto them (Isaiah 59:2), the first set of tablets of stone were destroyed. YHWH wrote again the law on the second set of tablets of stone with his finger. Moses had to carve out of stone the two tablets. Paul the Pharisee spoke to the church with plain speech, not like Moses who hid his face from the people. The glory of his countenance was hidden; Paul the Pharisee sent a letter to the Corinthian church. Even to this day, when the law of Moses is read to the people their remain a veil to cover their hearts; their minds are blinded. They are not capable of seeing the face of Moses afar off, when the Torah is read. The veil is done away in Christ, we see the face of YHWH (Romans 10:4).

Are you trying to say that the two tablets do not both contain the Ten Commandments? And one was done away, and the other stands? I'm not sure what you are getting at, obviously.

 

[1stcenturylady]

You are showing scripture about the glory, the vail, which is still over your eyes when you read the OT, and that vail/glory is done away with by Yeshua. For now with unclouded mind, with the reading, it is made plain by Yeshua. Like Yeshua said, "He came not to do away with the Law", but to reveal how it is to be walked.

You're close, but not HOW it is to be walked.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Can't walk on water unless you know what above the law means.

True, so what do you think "above the law" means?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Therefore a slave has only temporary residence but the son dwell in the house forever. A child is no different than a slave because he sins ignorantly like Paul the Pharisee (1 Corinthians 13:11). A child that is an heir is no different than a servant though he be Lord of all. The heir as a child is lord of all like his father (Galatians 4:1). The prodigal son was a lost heir or dead heir, he never ceased being an heir. The prodigal son has "permanent residence" in his father's house. Toral law always permit Israel to return home. You err because you do not know the scriptures or the power of G-d (Matthew 22:29).

You are not saying how to live forever in the house.

 

[pinacled]

Okay, don't answer my question.

My apologies,
I'm currently on a not so smart phone that impedes my post.

I believe you may have responded before I was able to edit the grammar and add additional text.

To answer your question;
Elihu in the account of iyov is Satan.

From this amount of knowledge there is much more to find in treasures of TaNaKh.

While iyov suffered for righteousness ole elihu arrogantly claimed to have perfect knowledge and presume to tell iyov he was being punished by The Most High.

Think about it,
If he actually had perfect knowledge. He would of humbled himself and esteemed iyov instead.
But no,
Ole elihu had to go and be the false prophet.

Talk about a backfire,
Pun intended.

 

[1stcenturylady]

My apologies,
I'm currently on a not so smart phone that impedes my post.

I believe you may have responded before I was able to edit the grammar and add additional text.

To answer your question;
Elihu in the account of iyov is Satan.

From this amount of knowledge there is much more to find in treasures of TaNaKh.

While iyov suffered for righteousness ole elihu arrogantly claimed to have perfect knowledge and presume to tell iyov he was being punished by The Most High.

Think about it,
If he actually had perfect knowledge. He would of humbled himself and esteemed iyov instead.
But no,
Ole elihu had to go and be the false prophet.

Talk about a backfire,
Pun intended.

Well that went right over my head. I asked why you do not see that the law of righteousness and the law of sin and death are not referring to the same thing?