The Loaded Question (Philippians 2:13)

[TheSeabass]

Faith is a free gift that comes along with regeneration.

Faith is a gift only in the sense God has allowed man to have faith and be saved. If is not a gift in the sense that man can only have faith if God gives it to man.

Yet man must still CONDTIONALLY have faith before he can be saved.

 

[-57]

Where does the Bible teach that being saved will not cost a person something?

Salvation cost Christ His life, salvation will cost man to live and do as Christ's NT gospel says he should live do whereby man cannot live anyway man wants to live. Yet this cost does not earn the free gift of salvation. David would not offer to God that which cost him nothing, 2 Samuel 24:24-25. Too many people think they can give to God that which cost them nothing, that which is no sacrifice to them but expect much in return from God. Malachi 1:13-14 God did not accept that which does not cost man, which is not a sacrifice to man.

Romans 12:1, one's life is to be a living sacrifice to God.

Yikes...your line is fuzzy.

it cost man nothing to become a christian...but once one is a christian depending on the individual and their situation there is a cost.

 

[-57]

Faith is a gift only in the sense God has allowed man to have faith and be saved. If is not a gift in the sense that man can only have faith if God gives it to man.

Yet man must still CONDTIONALLY have faith before he can be saved.

What ever.

 

[Grip Docility]

Where does the Bible teach that being saved will not cost a person something?

Salvation cost Christ His life, salvation will cost man to live and do as Christ's NT gospel says he should live and do whereby man cannot live anyway man wants to live. Yet this cost does not earn the free gift of salvation. David would not offer to God that which cost him nothing, 2 Samuel 24:24-25. Too many people think they can give to God that which cost them nothing, that which is no sacrifice to them but expect much in return from God. Malachi 1:13-14 God did not accept that which does not cost man, which is not a sacrifice to man.

Romans 12:1, one's life is to be a living sacrifice to God.

Our response to the Gospel is to Believe that the gift is Genuine, He is Sincere and accept what He has paid everything for, to offer to us... Freely.

He's the Giver.
We're the Receiver.

I can give you a gift, and you have a "Choice" to accept it. Capital P Capital E Capital R Capital I Capital O Capital D.

 

[TheSeabass]

Yikes...your line is fuzzy.

it cost man nothing to become a christian...but once one is a christian depending on the individual and their situation there is a cost.

I did not say it cost nothing to become a Christian. There IS a cost involved in becoming a Christian and faithfully remaining one.

Simply because a cost is involved does not mean one is earning the free gift.

Last summer (or two) ago a local restaurant offered free ice cream cones on a certain day between certain hours. They did not owe anyone a ice cream cones, so we can say they were offering these free gifts out of their good grace.

Yet to get a free ice cream cone one had to meet the condition, a work, in going to that restaurant and place an order for one. Yet that work in going to the restaurant did not earn the free.

I did not meet the necessary conditions in going and placing an order, so I did not get a free ice cream cone.

If I had met the condition in going and placing an order, then it would have cost me something in time, gasoline and wear and tear on my vehicle, etc., but the ice cream cone was still free, they would not have charged me anything for it.


Unless, until faith only proponents learn these simple facts, they can never have a correct understanding of Bible salvation.

 

[TheSeabass]

Our response to the Gospel is to Believe that the gift is Genuine, He is Sincere and accept what He has paid everything for, to offer to us... Freely.

He's the Giver.
We're the Receiver.

I can give you a gift, and you have a "Choice" to accept it. Capital P Capital E Capital R Capital I Capital O Capital D.

"Responding to the gospel" is a necessary condition one must meet before receiving the free gift of God.

 

[Grip Docility]

"Responding to the gospel" is a necessary condition one must meet before receiving the free gift of God.

Now what you mean by that... is in need of clarification.

 

[Alithis]

Who snatched the unsnatachable?

Never does it say one cannot leave..fall away.
.that does not involve being snatched out by the thief...

 

[Alithis]

Now what you mean by that... is in need of clarification.

To whom..its crystal clear

 

[Alithis]

Faith is a free gift that comes along with regeneration.

Faith being the obedient action one takes as a result of truly believing what God has graciously done for us through Jesus going to the cross.
The gift is the oppurtunity given to repent and to change from disobedience to obedience.
From doing evil to doing good.
From walking in darkness to walking in light.
It has never been to cease one but continue as you were.

 

[TheSeabass]

Now what you mean by that... is in need of clarification.

2 Thessalonians 1:8 shows that if one does not want to be in flaming fire, then one must "obey the gospel of Christ". Therefore obedience is a necessary condition one must meet in believing (John 8:24) repenting (Luke 13:3) confessing (Matthew 10:32-33) and being baptized (Mark 16:16) in order to receive the free gift of salvation.

Therefore obedience in doing the will of God does not earn the free gift, but is a necessary condition that must be first met.

An OT example:

Hebrews 11:7 "By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith."

The saving of Noah's house was by grace, a free gift. Yet for Noah to receive this free gift, he had to first work to build the ark as God instructed and commanded him. Noah's obedience did not earn him the free gift (saving of his house) but simply a necessary condition GOD placed upon His free gift in saving Noah's house.

 

[-57]

I did not say it cost nothing to become a Christian. There IS a cost involved in becoming a Christian and faithfully remaining one.

Simply because a cost is involved does not mean one is earning the free gift.

Last summer (or two) ago a local restaurant offered free ice cream cones on a certain day between certain hours. They did not owe anyone a ice cream cones, so we can say they were offering these free gifts out of their good grace.

Yet to get a free ice cream cone one had to meet the condition, a work, in going to that restaurant and place an order for one. Yet that work in going to the restaurant did not earn the free.

I did not meet the necessary conditions in going and placing an order, so I did not get a free ice cream cone.

If I had met the condition in going and placing an order, then it would have cost me something in time, gasoline and wear and tear on my vehicle, etc., but the ice cream cone was still free, they would not have charged me anything for it.


Unless, until faith only proponents learn these simple facts, they can never have a correct understanding of Bible salvation.

So, just what are these conditions you must meet and how do you acheive them?

 

[Alithis]

Free Gifts

Free:
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1: not costing or charging anything

Gift
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1. 1.
   a thing given willingly to someone without payment; a present.

Dishonesty is a sin

Some people win a lottery ticket another brought for them ..it was FREE.
They did not pay to purchase it.

But what they Did with it Cost them everything..
For they were foolish with that free gift.

Your not dividing the word with balance in meaning and intent.
All men are gifted the FREE oppurtunity of salvation in Christ.
BUT many squander it
And what they think they have will be taken off them and given.to he that does have...
You see you must balance everything scripture says.with everything else scripture says.

In the patable of the Talants the man.who.lost all was GIVEN (GIFTED) that talent.. He did not earn it.
But the disobedient manner in which he treated that gift ..lost him his place in eternity.

 

[Alithis]

2 Thessalonians 1:8 shows that if one does not want to be in flaming fire, then one must "obey the gospel of Christ". Therefore obedience is a necessary condition one must meet in believing (John 8:24) repenting (Luke 13:3) confessing (Matthew 10:32-33) and being baptized (Mark 16:16) in order to receive the free gift of salvation.

Therefore obedience in doing the will of God does not earn the free gift, but is a necessary condition that must be first met.

An OT example:

Hebrews 11:7 "By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith."

The saving of Noah's house was by grace, a free gift. Yet for Noah to receive this free gift, he had to first work to build the ark as God instructed and commanded him. Noah's obedience did not earn him the free gift (saving of his house) but simply a necessary condition GOD placed upon His free gift in saving Noah's house.

Yes...

 

[-57]

"Responding to the gospel" is a necessary condition one must meet before receiving the free gift of God.

Like lydia the lord has to open your heart first.
Acts 16:4 One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul.

 

[Alithis]

So, just what are these conditions you must meet and how do you acheive them?

What does scriptire say ?
Repent ... To change Your mind.. You must do that.
To change your mind about your disobedience and begin to obey...
Humble yoyrself and ask.forgivness.
Then continue to obey...
Get baptised in water for the remission of sin.
Recieve the Holy Spirit...
Go on to learn to walk in this new life of obedience...

Its pretty plainly written in scripture

 

[-57]

Never does it say one cannot leave..fall away.
.that does not involve being snatched out by the thief...

Nor does fall away mean loss of salvation. Everytime you sin you fall away. Sin a lot and you fall furhter away. You're sin after salvation can't steal you from Christ hand.

 

[Alithis]

Like lydia the lord has to open your heart first.
Acts 16:4 One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul.

The beart is opened to hear by the hearing of the Gospel...
But the choice to responde obediently to the instructions of the Good news remain the choice of the hearer

 

[-57]

Faith being the obedient action one takes as a result of truly believing what God has graciously done for us through Jesus going to the cross.
The gift is the oppurtunity given to repent and to change from disobedience to obedience.
From doing evil to doing good.
From walking in darkness to walking in light.
It has never been to cease one but continue as you were.

Every day we should continue to repent and to change from disobedience to obedience.

 

[Grip Docility]

2 Thessalonians 1:8 shows that if one does not want to be in flaming fire, then one must "obey the gospel of Christ". Therefore obedience is a necessary condition one must meet in believing (John 8:24) repenting (Luke 13:3) confessing (Matthew 10:32-33) and being baptized (Mark 16:16) in order to receive the free gift of salvation.

Therefore obedience in doing the will of God does not earn the free gift, but is a necessary condition that must be first met.

An OT example:

Hebrews 11:7 "By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith."

The saving of Noah's house was by grace, a free gift. Yet for Noah to receive this free gift, he had to first work to build the ark as God instructed and commanded him. Noah's obedience did not earn him the free gift (saving of his house) but simply a necessary condition GOD placed upon His free gift in saving Noah's house.

Then I am at peace with you. Baptism is a symbol of (Ephesians 1:13)... yet, I’m certain we agree on this.

All Love to you in Jesus Christ.