Argument for God's existence.

[createdtoworship]

I was working with the broadest definition, which the article does mention (although rejects for the purposes of scholarly philosophical discussion) but if you want to trot out that reference then you absolutely have to admit that atheism isn’t a worldview. At best it’s a metaphysical position, but that doesn’t constitute a worldview.

so your wrong.

 

[createdtoworship]

No it wouldn't. Atheism is a philosophical position concerning one thing - the existence of gods. One can be atheist and have any number of different worldviews, just not any theistic ones.

Please learn how to distinguish categories.

again I disproved it was about one thing with that standford philosophy link. Unless you want to counter that link with another, I trust that it is still valid.

athiesm is a way in which one views the world. Because if there is no God, then the world is naturalistic. And if it's naturalistic, it has all sorts of implications that need proof.

so your athiesm is intertwined into many many different areas, that have not proof.

I was referring to this definition of word view:
"The overall perspective from which one sees and interprets the world."

 

[gaara4158]

so your wrong.

Lol what? No, you’re wrong. Atheism isn’t a worldview, even according to the article you referenced.

And it’s you’re, not your.

 

[InterestedAtheist]

so you can prove that all atheists don't believe anything else about theism other than that? Please provide interviews of every single atheist and provide documentation that you know for sure they don't hold any other views about theism.

Well, if we look in the dictionary, we can see that an atheist is "a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods."
So that seems pretty simple and easy, doesn't it?

Honestly, gradyll, can I just offer some friendly advice? Just leave it at this. You've got to sixty pages. It's very respectable. Well done. But the truth is, those sixty pages are basically full of your debating self being knocked over, again and again, and refusing to admit it. It's getting a little embarrassing at this point.
I don't expect you to heed this advice, and I won't exactly be sorry when you don't, because it makes entertaining reading. But it does seem to be kinder to let you know: you really should call it a day now.

 

[createdtoworship]

Well, if we look in the dictionary, we can see that an atheist is "a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods."
So that seems pretty simple and easy, doesn't it?

Honestly, gradyll, can I just offer some friendly advice? Just leave it at this. You've got to sixty pages. It's very respectable. Well done. But the truth is, those sixty pages are basically full of your debating self being knocked over, again and again, and refusing to admit it. It's getting a little embarrassing at this point.
I don't expect you to heed this advice, and I won't exactly be sorry when you don't, because it makes entertaining reading. But it does seem to be kinder to let you know: you really should call it a day now.

maybe if you could make a post that does not have fallacy, I would respond to it. Look up ad hominem attack. I know you won't because you don't believe you would ever fall to that level. But all I can say, is look below, your there.

 

[createdtoworship]

Lol what? No, you’re wrong. Atheism isn’t a worldview, even according to the article you referenced.

And it’s you’re, not your.

provide a quote from the article that says it's not a worldview. You can't or won't. So my argument stands.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

again I disproved it was about one thing with that standford philosophy link.

No you didn't, as has already been pointed out to you.

One can be atheist and have any number of worldviews. One can be an atheist Objectivist, atheist humanist, atheist nihilist, atheist Buddhist, atheist Raelian, atheist spiritualist, etc etc etc... one can be an atheist anything, provided that thing doesn't include theism.

I know this fact is highly inconvenient to your apologetics, but that's your problem, and no one else's. Reality is under no obligation to kowtow to your imagination.

 

[createdtoworship]

duplicate

 

[createdtoworship]

No you didn't, as has already been pointed out to you.

One can be atheist and have any number of worldviews. One can be an atheist Objectivist, atheist humanist, atheist nihilist, atheist Buddhist, atheist Raelian, atheist spiritualist, etc etc etc... one can be an atheist anything, provided that thing doesn't include theism.

I know this fact is highly inconvenient to your apologetics, but that's your problem, and no one else's. Reality is under no obligation to kowtow to your imagination.

is objectivism a world view? is spiritualism a world view? is nihilism a worldview. I have these questions, I know your being sincere, but I think, sincerely wrong.

 

[gaara4158]

provide a quote from the article that says it's not a worldview. You can't or won't. So my argument stands.

It also doesn’t say atheism isn’t a water slide. It simply doesn’t fit the definition. Your argument is entirely incorrect.

 

[createdtoworship]

It also doesn’t say atheism isn’t a water slide. It simply doesn’t fit the definition. Your argument is entirely incorrect.

so I was guessing you couldn't support your claim, so thanks for confirming. So I guess were done here.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

is objectivism a world view? is spiritualism a world view? is nihilism a worldview.

On all counts, yes, they can be. As per the definition of 'worldview' that you provided.

Atheism, however, can't be a worldview by that definition, because it is a position regarding only one thing - the existence of gods.

Category distinctions. They are useful.

 

[gaara4158]

so I was guessing you couldn't support your claim, so thanks for confirming. So I guess were done here.

I did, guess it went over your head? Your argument isn’t valid unless the article you referenced contains an exhaustive list of everything atheism isn’t, and that’s not the case, so you’re wrong. Again.

 

[createdtoworship]

On all counts, yes, they can be. As per the definition of 'worldview' that you provided.

Atheism, however, can't be a worldview by that definition, because it is a position regarding only one thing - the existence of gods.

Category distinctions. They are useful.

so then there is no distinction between religion and world view. So then lack of theism would also be a world view.

 

[createdtoworship]

I did, guess it went over your head? Your argument isn’t valid unless the article you referenced contains an exhaustive list of everything atheism isn’t, and that’s not the case, so you’re wrong. Again.

why would it need to include everything that atheism isn't. That is a very odd request.

 

[InterestedAtheist]

maybe if you could make a post that does not have fallacy, I would respond to it.

You've been trying and failing to do so for sixty pages so far.

Look up ad hominem attack.

Doesn't apply, I'm afraid. I wasn't making an argument there, I was offering advice.

 

[gaara4158]

why would it need to include everything that atheism isn't. That is a very odd request.

Because your argument is that because the article doesn’t explicitly state that it’s not a worldview, it is. I agree, it’s a very odd request, but you’re the one who made it.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

so then there is no distinction between religion and world view.

Nope. Categories can overlap, but still be distinct.

You could, for example, be a humanist with an Objectivist view of logic and a nihilist view of morality. You could be a Christian, but ascribe to methodological naturalism with regard to scientific concerns. And so forth.

I really should not have to explain this to an adult.

 

[Moral Orel]

I really should not have to explain this to an adult.

Whoever said you were talking to an adult?

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Whoever said you were talking to an adult?

As useful as this thread has been, it seems like this would be a good time to just turn off the lights and call it a day...