Gotta say, I'm realy enjoying your responses. I appreciate the civil conversation.
I worked with addictions and some sex offenders. Behaviours are subjective and not dependent on emotion. Behavior can also be random or become a trait, such as a learned behavioral trait. A smoker absentmindedly flicking a pen as if it were a cigaret that needed to be 'ashed' for example. But, both emotion and actions are independent of logic or fact.
Behaviours are not subjective. "X punched the wall"; "X said that Y was a dog prostititute"; "X was observed hiding behind a bush". Thes e are not subjective. Assigning motivations to those behaviours is 100% subjective though, I will give you that. I feel this conversation was about observing behaviours and not the motivation of the behaviours of the people who are participating in them.
You can place a trulatula in a 4 foot thick bullet proof glass box that a .50 cal could not penetrate in the middle of a room, and some people would be too terrified to enter the room. Emotion overrides logic causing irrational behavior and impairs judgement as much so as intoxication. A Person in severe emotional duress can even become manic, obsessed, violent, terrified, confused or even suicidal. Emotion can even make someone insane, or snap. A loving father and husband can break during emotional distress and kill his family. Just the same way intoxicants could affect someone.
I would not consider a diagnosible phobia, the stress of losing a house/family/family member/job (all together), to be anywhere comparable to what, about 98% of Trump supporters feel towards his presidency.
Emotionally charged outlooks of an individual are just as powerful. A severe emotional aversion can literally cause panic, terror, hatred just at the sight of a picture, or hearing the individuals name. Logical thought and judgement are impaired, and the individuals actions will follow suite.
While I absolutely know thta exists (there was a girl at my last job who messed me up so bad, I truly hope I never see her because it would cause some serious disturbances for me), these are usually from very personal experiences, and traumatic ones. Again, I think people who have that depth of emotional response to trump are FAR more in the minority than you think.
This is what I see in many who oppose Trump. They have a literal severely emotional aversion to Donald Trump. Logic and judgment is impaired.
I know. But my original explanation of how you may be misinterpreting their responses feels like a really REALLy important part of this discussion you are not engaging in. As I mentioned earlier, behaviours are not subjective, but assigning motivations for them is. Someone being critical of Trump while providing facts and evidence appear to be dismissed by posters like you because they are being emotional. And you are tieing them to burdens of the emotional responses of rape victims. To me, that is both unfair and unreasonable.
You cannot prove worth to those who already refuse to attribute value. WWII... a Jew going before a Nazi might receive 'mercy' but is after all 'still just a Jew' in the Nazis mind. That individual still has no worth. A good example of this is in the movie Schindler's list. Where a well educated Jew who was a foreman, questioned her superiors about the foundations of a building. Told them it needed to be rebuilt or the building will fall and kill the troops inside. They inspected it and found out she was correct, and the order was given to tear is down and rebuild it. Summarily, she was knelt down, and shot in the head for speaking to her Nazi commander.
Good acts, from individuals attributed no worth, hold no value, earning them nothing.
I honestly believe this is a mindset and not even based in logic.
As for myself, I have already pointed out that Trump has done one or two things I agree with. There was a thread a while back from posters asking trump critics to point out something good he did. I feel like I recall quite a few posters said something.
But again, I don't think it's reasonable to compare Donald Trump to a Jewish POW and liberals to Nazi soldiers in your analogy. NOBODY is playing that role in any way.
You are right though, a SINGLE good act is going to do nothing to assuage the distaste of Donald that many liberals have.
My question that I hope to hear the answer for is: Why should it? IF we agree with one thing that donald does, why should our opinion of him change?
The guy who raped one of my clients volunteered at the library. Does that mean he gets a free pass? Not at all!
