"If we had confidence that Trump did not commit a crime, we would have said so"

[Tanj]

This logic makes no sense. Those in power do not use militant/violent factions to remain in power? Or even quell dissent?

They don't use mob violence, sticks and stones and face masks.

 

[LostMarbels]

They don't use mob violence, sticks and stones and face masks.

How about flip cars? Burn neighborhoods, and loot stores? These are criminals. Bad people. Not the oppressed.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

How about flip cars? Burn neighborhoods, and loot stores? These are criminals. Bad people. Not the oppressed.

Agreed. They're also not in power though.

 

[Tanj]

How about flip cars? Burn neighborhoods, and loot stores? These are criminals. Bad people. Not the oppressed.

And as RIMH said, also not in power. I'm not saying these are good people, and I'm not is saying they are oppressed.

You appear to think this conversation is about the morality of the violence used by some lefty groups.

It isn't.

We have both agreed it's all reprehensible. That was never in doubt.

You claimed the left was in power, and that the actions of these groups is evidence of this. I am explaining that is the opposite of reality. The actions of these groups is evidence they are NOT in power.

That's all this conversation is about, no matter how much you want it to spill into other areas.

 

[LostMarbels]

Agreed. They're also not in power though.

They don't have to be. They are just thugs. The reason I am even continuing this line of responses is because I believe this is the same kind of angst shown against Trump. Not one of these individuals in question support Trump. This is the same type of thuggery I see behind the investigation.

 

[Pommer]

The thread-drift is impressive!

 

[LostMarbels]

And as RIMH said, also not in power. I'm not saying these are good people, and I'm not is saying they are oppressed.

I follow you. Were on the same page. I understand and agree they are neither good nor oppressed.

You appear to think this conversation is about the morality of the violence used by some lefty groups.

No. I'm talking about an all out assault on conservatives and the President. None of these mobs are conservative. Not a single person. They support Liberal ideals.

You claimed the left was in power, and that the actions of these groups is evidence of this. I am explaining that is the opposite of reality. The actions of these groups is evidence they are NOT in power.

If you ever want to know who is in power just question them. They will show you right quick.

That's all this conversation is about, no matter how much you want it to spill into other areas.

I have no intention of varying. We can have a civil conversation. I admit when wrong. Even post an apology if I am wrong or make a mistake. I might be bullheaded as all get but I won't play games with you.

 

[LostMarbels]

The thread-drift is impressive!

How? The use of fear, intimidation, smear tactics, and political force is exactly what is happening concerning this investigation. If you do not tow the line you are targeted. That is what is happening to Trump.

 

[USincognito]

How well is this guys career doing?

You know Kanye has been dealing with mental illness for quite a while now, right? He just last week talked about dealing with bipolar disorder.
Kanye West opens up about his struggle with bipolar disorder: "It's like a sprained brain"

That said his latest album, "Ye", released just last year, debuted at Number 1 on the Billboard 200 albums list and all 7 songs from the album debuted on the Billboard top 40 list.

 

[Tanj]

No. I'm talking about an all out assault on conservatives and the President. None of these mobs are conservative. Not a single person. They support Liberal ideals.

All true but irrelevant to this conversation because....

THEY'RE NOT IN POWER.

If you ever want to know who is in power just question them. They will show you right quick.

How the heck am I supposed to get that close to Trump? And why would I want to? I don't need to speak to him to know he's the President, and in power.

 

[LostMarbels]

The point of this entire line of reasoning is if you go against liberal ideals you will be attacked. From day one, his inauguration, there has been violence in the street against Trump supporters, and obstruction in congress against Trump.

The hatred for Trump is tangible. They want him out. Now. They in all honesty couldn't care less about how. Just remove him.

 

[LostMarbels]

All true but irrelevant to this conversation because....

THEY'RE NOT IN POWER.

Liberals control every single aspect, right down to the bathroom you use, and what topics you can speak about on social media.

Youtube, Facebook, Google, Amazon, Time Warner, Comcast, Brighthouse, Disney, Twitter, viacom, GE, News Corp, CBS.

These companies above collectively own 95% of all social media platforms, IP hosting, News, entertainment, sports, and radio in America. Every single one... anti Trump liberal.

Who isn't in power?

 

[Pommer]

How? The use of fear, intimidation, smear tactics, and political force is exactly what is happening concerning this investigation. If you do not tow the line you are targeted. That is what is happening to Trump.

The poor man!

 

[stevil]

Liberals control every single aspect, right down to the bathroom you use, and what topics you can speak about on social media.

I assume you are upset about having to be Politically Correct. And that society as a whole has become PC and tolerant of the diversity we have in society. Tolerant of different races, different colours, different religions, different cultures and backgrounds, different sexual preferences etc.

Perhaps you long for the good ole days where you could say racist jokes, pick on gays and disabled people???

And now you blame all this tolerance and social norms on liberals?

 

[Allandavid]

Things have become quite Orwellian over here.

Agreed...see my signature. The Age of Trump is The Age of Lies...

There realy are no parties.

Yes, there are...it’s just that one of them has cast their lot with a criminal...

The country is split into those who want reform, and those who want to remain in control.

Correct....your mission, if you choose to accept it Mr Phelps, is to determine which is which.....

 

[Tanj]

Liberals control every single aspect, right down to the bathroom you use

What are you talking about? I should use something other than the men's bathroom? I've been using it all 55 of my years. Have they been controlling it the whole time?

It makes no sense at all.

and what topics you can speak about on social media.

I don't use social media, I could not care less who does what on it. The whole lot should be tied up in a bag and thrown out to sea.

However, you are also wrong about this as well.

Youtube, Facebook, Google, Amazon, Time Warner, Comcast, Brighthouse, Disney, Twitter, viacom, GE, News Corp, CBS.

These companies above collectively own 95% of all social media platforms, IP hosting, News, entertainment, sports, and radio in America. Every single one... anti Trump liberal.

You think Rupert Murdoch's News Corp is anti Trump liberal ..and you want me to take you seriously.

Who isn't in power?

The liberals.

 

[wing2000]

Ill tell you what. Walk up to a group of them and start explaining your conservative values to them. Try explaining why Trump is a good president.

Maybe the issue is your use of "conservative values" and Trump in the same sentence.

Trump has no values.

 

[whatbogsends]

In terms of Joy Villa's single being a flop.
Was that the "industry" discriminating against her, or was it because people just weren't buying her music?

I get a feeling that many Republican supporters feel that the world is against them. They are being persecuted and such. Perhaps they think the whole western world is liberal?

Even when they are running the USA government, and had control of the house and the senate, and had the lion's share of Supreme Court positions, they still consider themselves the mistreated underdog.

Maybe there is some truth to it (IDK), I'm from NZ, and I do think the "Republican" stance on most things do seem to be extreme (guns, abortion, religious freedom to discriminate, anti government supplied healthcare, anti LGBT, aggressive style of interacting with foreign nations) and now (anti environmental protection, anti Muslim, anti Mexican, anti certain types of immigration). I feel most NZers would agree with me on this.

I'm not wanting to get into a policy debate here. Policy differences are one thing, but this thread is more about the outcome of the SC report.

But I do want to point out that perhaps the western world is more likely to be more aligned with Democrats rather than Republicans. The policies the Republicans like would be seen as extreme far right, as well as extremely religious here in NZ. The Democrat policies don't seem to be extreme at all, somewhere around centre, perhaps leaning a little to the left.

So from that perspective, If I were a Republican supporter, and thought the policies I liked were normal, I'd probably view Democrat policies as extreme and left, and I might also feel the whole western world were colluding against me.

In regard to the bolded...

To quote Stephen Colbert: "Reality has a liberal bias"

 

[wing2000]

The point of this entire line of reasoning is if you go against liberal ideals you will be attacked.

If you attack the American liberal values as written in our constitution, including the power granted tot he Congress to provide oversight of the Executive branch, I will oppose anyone who does so. That isn't hate. That's called standing up for the US Constitution.

 

[Pommer]

Liberals control every single aspect, right down to the bathroom you use, and what topics you can speak about on social media.

Youtube, Facebook, Google, Amazon, Time Warner, Comcast, Brighthouse, Disney, Twitter, viacom, GE, News Corp, CBS.

These companies above collectively own 95% of all social media platforms, IP hosting, News, entertainment, sports, and radio in America. Every single one... anti Trump liberal.

Who isn't in power?

Just think how much better Heaven will seem after a lifetime of being on this sinful earth!