"If we had confidence that Trump did not commit a crime, we would have said so"

[LostMarbels]

No, not just a matter of opinion.
It is a demonstrable fact that Barr is behaving in a partisan rather than professional and objective manner

Why? Because his findings dare to line up with what the President has been saying for years? Why can't it be that Trump has been right all along and this confirms him?

This is exactly what I was talking about when I said every facet of American reality is against Trump. If he is found innocent the the court is partisan. If he succeeds in passing something it is alway detrimental to all of worlds society. On and on....

The only thing many want Trump to do is leave office. The couldn't care less what he actualy accomplished or did. Just impeach him now.

He appears to have interfered and obstructed with the investigation regardless of whether there was a crime to hide or not.

First off, creating an entire false narrative to support a railroaded investigation based on fraudulent information is not 'justice'.

Secondly, You cannot 'obstruct' an attempted coup.

 

[stevil]

Can you name any actor or singer, that still has a job, that are Trump supporters?

Are you implying that people who openly support Donald Trump have lost their jobs because of their support for Donald Trump?

Here are some lists for you. I haven't done a dive into them to work out who is still making money from the industries, but, anyway here are lists of celebrities that support Trump.
Roseanne lost her job because of a racist tweet rather than due to support for Trump.

31 celebrities who have publicly supported Donald Trump
Trump's celeb supporters: From Kirstie Alley to Tila Tequila
Here Are Some Celebrities That Support President Trump
LIST: Celebrities who support Trump - What's on Politics

 

[LostMarbels]

Are you implying that people who openly support Donald Trump have lost their jobs because of their support for Donald Trump?

Stating. Not implying. You support Trump in hollywood or the music industry your career is done.

Roseanne lost her job because of a racist tweet rather than due to support for Trump

Roseanne Barr..... there's 'A' class a actor for ya. She was definitely a mainstream Hollywood elite. I had to seen like none of the zero movies I know she was in.

(sarchasm. Not trying to be rude or demeaning to you.)

 

[LostMarbels]

She was at the grammys. She now has less Subs then I do.

But people like Childish Gambino have over 500 million views on just one video.

Snoop Dogg 12 million views.

Anti Trump anti America is big bucks in the industry right now.

 

[Tanj]

Stating. Not implying. You support Trump in hollywood or the music industry your career is done.

A pity really, because implying means it was opinion, that has no need of truth. Unlike your completely false statement.

For the record, one mediocre singer who along with thousands of others didn't make it in a cutthroat business who at some stage happened to wear some messaging isn't proof of anything except post hoc ergo proptor hoc.

 

[Allandavid]

Can you name any actor or singer, that still has a job, that are Trump supporters?

That speaks to their good taste...

 

[LostMarbels]

A pity really, because implying means it was opinion, that has no need of truth. Unlike your completely false statement.

For the record, one mediocre singer who along with thousands of others didn't make it in a cutthroat business who at some stage happened to wear some messaging isn't proof of anything except post hoc ergo proptor hoc.

How well is this guys career doing?

Before Trump, 26 musical award wins, and 90 nominations. 7 of those awards are Grammys.

Kanye West - Awards - IMDb

After showing support for Trump?

Kanye West defiant amid backlash over support for Trump: 'This represents good and America becoming whole again'
ABC

Could Kanye West's latest backlash put his career in the sunken place?
LA times

Kanye West is a race traitor, declares Atlantic columnist Ta-Nehisi Coates
RT

 

[stevil]

Does anyone know if Democrat supporting celebrities wear political slogans or campaign clothing - outside of an actual campaign rally?

I find it quite weird that people are still wearing MAGA hats, or have a MAGA dress (It looks nice in that pic though)
Here, artists and celebrities (and people in general) don't get overly political in public. Best way to get along with people is to not talk about religion or politics right?

 

[LostMarbels]

Does anyone know if Democrat supporting celebrities wear political slogans or campaign clothing - outside of an actual campaign rally?

I find it quite weird that people are still wearing MAGA hats, or have a MAGA dress (It looks nice in that pic though)
Here, artists and celebrities (and people in general) don't get overly political in public. Best way to get along with people is to not talk about religion or politics right?

In a way these are acts of defiance. The liberals/democrats run the system, and dictate pretty much every facet of our social behavior. If you do not comply you could be sued, have stuff thrown at you, and possibly be doxed losing your career. Liberals are the system. Conservatives sometimes try and stick it to the man with forbidden or taboo actions. Like openly supporting their president. Speaking conservative values in public. And the most damnable offences seem to be wearing clothes that support Trump, the 2nd amendment, and patriotism especially when related to our flag.

 

[LostMarbels]

@stevil

As to why any of this is important? Because this is what both Trump and conservatives face in current day America. In relation to the current state of this 'investigation' it is pretty easy to see how so many veiw it is yet another attack, and nothing more. Another day, more attacks.

 

[Tanj]

How well is this guys career doing?

Really well. He's nominated for a grammy this year, and has had numerous music, business and fashion releases.

Meanwhile, you quote from Russia Times. I'd like to thank you for the irony.

In a way these are acts of defiance. The liberals/democrats run the system, and dictate pretty much every facet of social behavior. If you do not comply you could be sued, have stuff thrown at you, and possibly be doxed losing your career. Liberals are the system.

Complete fabrication. Conservatives/republicans run the system.

 

[LostMarbels]

Complete fabrication. Conservatives/republicans run the system

 

[stevil]

In terms of Joy Villa's single being a flop.
Was that the "industry" discriminating against her, or was it because people just weren't buying her music?

I get a feeling that many Republican supporters feel that the world is against them. They are being persecuted and such. Perhaps they think the whole western world is liberal?

Even when they are running the USA government, and had control of the house and the senate, and had the lion's share of Supreme Court positions, they still consider themselves the mistreated underdog.

Maybe there is some truth to it (IDK), I'm from NZ, and I do think the "Republican" stance on most things do seem to be extreme (guns, abortion, religious freedom to discriminate, anti government supplied healthcare, anti LGBT, aggressive style of interacting with foreign nations) and now (anti environmental protection, anti Muslim, anti Mexican, anti certain types of immigration). I feel most NZers would agree with me on this.

I'm not wanting to get into a policy debate here. Policy differences are one thing, but this thread is more about the outcome of the SC report.

But I do want to point out that perhaps the western world is more likely to be more aligned with Democrats rather than Republicans. The policies the Republicans like would be seen as extreme far right, as well as extremely religious here in NZ. The Democrat policies don't seem to be extreme at all, somewhere around centre, perhaps leaning a little to the left.

So from that perspective, If I were a Republican supporter, and thought the policies I liked were normal, I'd probably view Democrat policies as extreme and left, and I might also feel the whole western world were colluding against me.

 

[Tanj]

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Pretending for a moment you posted something worth responding to, in any conflict on the planet remind me again which side tends to resort to low tech physical attacks and mask their faces? Is it the side in power or the one that wants to be?

The irony that you prove my point is once again welcomed with thanks.

 

[LostMarbels]

In terms of Joy Villa's single being a flop.
Was that the "industry" discriminating against her, or was it because people just weren't buying her music?

I get a feeling that many Republican supporters feel that the world is against them. They are being persecuted and such. Perhaps they think the whole western world is liberal?

Even when they are running the USA government, and had control of the house and the senate, and had the lion's share of Supreme Court positions, they still consider themselves the mistreated underdog.

Maybe there is some truth to it (IDK), I'm from NZ, and I do think the "Republican" stance on most things do seem to be extreme (guns, abortion, religious freedom to discriminate, anti government supplied healthcare, anti LGBT, aggressive style of interacting with foreign nations) and now (anti environmental protection, anti Muslim, anti Mexican, anti certain types of immigration). I feel most NZers would agree with me on this.

I'm not wanting to get into a policy debate here. Policy differences are one thing, but this thread is more about the outcome of the SC report.

But I do want to point out that perhaps the western world is more likely to be more aligned with Democrats rather than Republicans. The policies the Republicans like would be seen as extreme far right, as well as extremely religious here in NZ. The Democrat policies don't seem to be extreme at all, somewhere around centre, perhaps leaning a little to the left.

So from that perspective, If I were a Republican supporter, and thought the policies I liked were normal, I'd probably view Democrat policies as extreme and left, and I might also feel the whole western world were colluding against me.

Things have become quite Orwellian over here. There realy are no parties. The country is split into those who want reform, and those who want to remain in control. Congress is constipated to the point of being ineffectual of producing any real work. Their primary, and seemingly only focus is the obstruction and destruction of the President. Including this investigation.

 

[LostMarbels]

Pretending for a moment you posted something worth responding to, in any conflict on the planet remind me again which side tends to resort to low tech physical attacks and mask their faces? Is it the side in power or the one that wants to be?

People who don't want to get caught for illegal actions and/or want plausible deniability if filmed.

The irony that you prove my point is once again welcomed with thanks.

You are quite welcome. I will also give you your first gold star for such a well thought out and written post. Thanks.

 

[Tanj]

People who don't want to get caught for illegal actions and/or want plausible deniability if filmed.

Right. And it's always, always, the underdog/rebel/ones not in power doing it. You'll see similar actions by Palestinians.

And just for the record, I personally rate these kinds of actions about on par with the anti-vaxxer baby torturers. I'm not condoning them, simply pointing out they don't represent the actions of the people in power.

 

[LostMarbels]

Right. And it's always, always, the underdog/rebel/ones not in power doing it. You'll see similar actions by Palestinians.

And just for the record, I personally rate these kinds of actions about on par with the anti-vaxxer baby torturers. I'm not condoning them, simply pointing out they don't represent the actions of the people in power.

Ill tell you what. Walk up to a group of them and start explaining your conservative values to them. Try explaining why Trump is a good president.

 

[Tanj]

Ill tell you what. Walk up to a group of them and start explaining your conservative values to them. Try explaining why Trump is a good president.

Well I tend not to lie, but if I did I still wouldn't do it because I like my skull not caved in. Not relevant to the discussion, and I'm still right though. These are not the actions of the people in power.

 

[LostMarbels]

Well I tend not to lie, but if I did I still wouldn't do it because I like my skull not caved in. Not relevant to the discussion, and I'm still right though. These are not the actions of the people in power.

This logic makes no sense. Those in power do not use militant/violent factions to remain in power? Or even quell dissent?