The bible doesn't tell us the earth is not a sphere. The bible doesn't tell us there is not 9 planets. The bible doesn't tell us the earth is not tilted.
As i said the bible clearly tells us god didn't use evolution.
For example 1st Tim 2:13 says "For Adam was formed first, and then Eve." Are you going to tell me God evolved males before human females?
I do. The bible says God created man from the dust then women from his side. The bible says the women called Eve would be the mother of all. If populations evolve the Eve could not be the mother of all.
now, if you want to believe in evolutionism, have at it. Just don't teach the bible supports it.
The bible doesn't tell us the earth is not a sphere. The bible doesn't tell us there is not 9 planets.
"God knows how to part light". You're right, in that God knows how to 'do', everything, but that does not mean that you know exactly how God did everything, insisting that you get this 'understanding' of everything from a 'book' called the Bible. The bible does not tell us everything.
We know plenty about light NOW and how day and night now work. That does not help to comprehend the light of creation week. In rejecting what the bible does say because of what you think it also does not say is rejection. Accepting what demon science says that opposes what the bible does say tells us what you chose to believe.This mindset causes YEC's to deny that we know anything about light or indeed anything about reality, except what we can read in the bible.
The spectrum is fine, not sure what that has to do with how God parted light in the first day of creation though!! Remember also that the spectrum we see on earth and this solar system exists here in our present time and space. You may not use it to tell us what the distant universe is like or what creation week was like, or what the past and future here are like! You may look at the spectrum through your toys here IN the fishbowl.The entire electromagnetic spectrum to them is 'devil's science', because they do not trust it, because it is not contained within the pages of the bible, the way they read it.
The quest for truth does not take the highway to hell actually. The bible says that man cannot possibly ever come to any knowledge of the truth without God. Demon science does not include God in any way and all it's claims of origins directly contradict and oppose God's! Yet you wholeheartedly embrace them and religiously defend them. Interesting. That reminds me of another kind of light from God, the kind that sheds light on darkness, exposing it.Science has no interest whatever in debunking 'the bible'. Science is in a quest for TRUTH, using different methods than those used in THEOLOGY and without the need for faith, (except faith in the fact that the universe seems to behave in a logical and predictable manner).
You actually have no chance whatsoever at reaching the truth with demon science. None.If we are logical in our understanding of it we will discover the truth.
Actually, We are going to fire demon science and ban it forever soon. The only conclusion anyone will reach will be the truth of God, that will cover the earth as waters cover seas.Eventually, if both science and theology are indeed quests for 'truth', then they will inevitably reach the same conclusions.
We should not allow ourselves to be beguiled by the demons of 'religion' which would prefer to keep us scientifically ignorant.
So, not sin, but bible belief is the great plague of humanity. Got it. Your answer, get in bed with demon science. Thanks for the input, I guess.That ignorance has inflicted plague, darkness and misery upon the human race for millinnia.
Matt.4:16. Christ came that we might know the TRUTH, He is the TRUTH and were he here on earth today he would not be 'casting out science', he would be still casting out demons of ignorance.
That reminds me of something someone once said to the first woman! 'You will be wise if you eat that which God told you not to eat, and be like Him'.It is ignorance that is the enemy of the human race. We lack wisdom
They cannot analyse facts using lies and godless methodology, and wrong, ignorant assumptions to build models of the past, and arrive at the truth! They have sabotaged any possibility of finding it. A crazy man, stabbing his eyes with a fork and running toward a cliff has more chance of finding it than demon science. At least we could hope that the man would repent before the end.For scientists it is found in the logical analysis of facts.
He taught that He fulfilled Scripture and that it was from God and true as true can be. In that Scripture, echoing from book to book and cover to cover is how God created us and the world and heavens.For believers it is found in the teachings of Jesus Christ, and the logical analysis of facts. I suggest that Dad failed in only the last clause of the previous sentence.
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Not only that, God said it was another way....We don't. We reject evolutionism because it's impossible. .
Yes, but as i've saying. Regardless of the Bible not saying it, that doesn't mean the scientific theory is wrong. The only way evolution can be proven wrong is by counter scientific evidence, but there isn't.As i said the bible clearly tells us god didn't use evolution.
Or they could have been in an initial biological state prior to evolution. This verse about how Eve came to be shows no reason to reject evolution.For example 1st Tim 2:13 says "For Adam was formed first, and then Eve." Are you going to tell me God evolved males before human females?
Why/how does Eve being the mother of all contradict evolution? We have bones of what humans looked like far back in BC, you can even see some of the difference in early AD Mongolia. Those Asians during the time of Gengis had skulls that where different in shape to the asians now, but we don't deny that asians today are descendents of the Asians during that time. So why can't this logic be also applied to Adam and eve? Please read up on evolution because this quote has shown you barely know anything about it.I do. The bible says God created man from the dust then women from his side. The bible says the women called Eve would be the mother of all. If populations evolve the Eve could not be the mother of all.
And don't teach that the Bible is a science book.now, if you want to believe in evolutionism, have at it. Just don't teach the bible supports it.
We don't. We reject evolutionism because it's impossible. A process containing random mutations...where very, very few would be considered as beneficial and enhancing the fitness of the population can't create the information contained in the genetic DNA code. It's not surprising that the bible supports this finding that evolutionism is impossible.
We reject evolutionism because it's impossible
I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.Not only that, God said it was another way....
We do know there were evenings and mornings. We do know God was there moving over the waters that were on earth. We do know that the day was both the evening and the morning. We do know these existed before the sun. We do know that God is not limited to physics in any way. In fact to try and figure out how the early wold was only by modern physics is impossible as well as foolish. Yet that is what demon science does religiously.
Spirysics, we could say, are the set of laws that govern the spiritual world, and physics the set of laws that govern the current physical world. Creation did not come about by physics. The light that was here and parted did not happen by modern physics. So of course we are not all knowing and the bible does not tell us everything about how God works or how creation happened. It does tell us enough to know demon science is not only wrong, but so very wrong that it could not be coincidence or innocent. Now the question is why you seem to side with science against the word of God.
We know plenty about light NOW and how day and night now work. That does not help to comprehend the light of creation week. In rejecting what the bible does say because of what you think it also does not say is rejection. Accepting what demon science says that opposes what the bible does say tells us what you chose to believe.
The spectrum is fine, not sure what that has to do with how God parted light in the first day of creation though!! Remember also that the spectrum we see on earth and this solar system exists here in our present time and space. You may not use it to tell us what the distant universe is like or what creation week was like, or what the past and future here are like! You may look at the spectrum through your toys here IN the fishbowl.
The quest for truth does not take the highway to hell actually. The bible says that man cannot possibly ever come to any knowledge of the truth without God. Demon science does not include God in any way and all it's claims of origins directly contradict and oppose God's! Yet you wholeheartedly embrace them and religiously defend them. Interesting. That reminds me of another kind of light from God, the kind that sheds light on darkness, exposing it.
You actually have no chance whatsoever at reaching the truth with demon science. None.
Actually, We are going to fire demon science and ban it forever soon. The only conclusion anyone will reach will be the truth of God, that will cover the earth as waters cover seas.
So now Scripture and belief seem like demons in your eyes. That signals advanced rejection syndrome.
So, not sin, but bible belief is the great plague of humanity. Got it. Your answer, get in bed with demon science. Thanks for the input, I guess.
He is here with us today as Jesus said He would be till the ends of the world. He also said His word was truth. Deon science opposes that truth.
That reminds me of something someone once said to the first woman! 'You will be wise if you eat that which God told you not to eat, and be like Him'.
Speaking of that first woman, that brings us back to the OP topic, how Eve did not get here like demon science claims!
They cannot analyse facts using lies and godless methodology, and wrong, ignorant assumptions to build models of the past, and arrive at the truth! They have sabotaged any possibility of finding it. A crazy man, stabbing his eyes with a fork and running toward a cliff has more chance of finding it than demon science. At least we could hope that the man would repent before the end.
He taught that He fulfilled Scripture and that it was from God and true as true can be. In that Scripture, echoing from book to book and cover to cover is how God created us and the world and heavens.
The droning sirens of demon science have played for too long in schools and the airwaves. Looking forward to change....
We do know God was there moving over the waters that were on earth.
Or perhaps the 'understanding' is that the tooth fairy was gay and hated Santa? I suppose one could insert whatever one wanted once one rejected what was said as any sort of reality.Parables.
The interesting thing is all the parables are written in a way to reflect actual events or events that could actually happen.
In the case of Adam and Eve the actual event is that creation of Adam from the dust then Eve from his rib. Perhaps the parable is the understanding that a wife belongs next to a mans side or they are one flesh.
I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
Ecc 3:18
Impossible you say....
Before you go any further, NO YOU DON'T know anything of the kind. Read the text again.
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, Gen.2:4.
And there were no 'waters' on earth until day 2, when God separated the waters above the firmament from those below it.
That verse is AFTER the first day! Ha.And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
The 'waters' that God hovered over were not on earth. Earth was without form, and void. i.e. did not even exist in its present physical form.
When I think of the first day and God hovering over the waters, that is before the waters were separated and the land appeared. So not sure why you claim I think it was 'oceans' in the modern sense? I don't think modern oceans really got here till after the flood when more water came to earth, an the great landmass was separated into continents we know today. By the way when I say after the flood, regarding the separating of the continents, I mean in the days of Peleg.All that existed at this point was a formless void filled with 'the waters'. Now it might be possible to speculate upon a scientific explanation of what the author, (God) might have meant by "The Waters", but your explantion of "The Waters" being oceans on a not yet existant void and formless planet simply does not receive any support from the text whatever and is flatly contradicted by Gen.1:6-10.
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Yes. But on the context of what you are quoting it's for the sake of pointing out the hypocrisy of dad's initial stance. My argument is that we can't reject scientific theories such as evolution because (we think) it contrasts the Bible.
True, but this does not mean that we deny things plainly stated.The book of Genesis is true but we also have to realize that God did not create the Bible to exactly reveal everything about his design.
So what we have are compact-general details, because God intended the Bible to be 1,200+ pages with the majority of the content to be about the relationship between him and man.
I think he may have known that giving us a book that not only tells us about him but gives every scientific explanation of his design was too much for our brains to handle at the same time.
Which is why these scientific questions should not be sought out through scripture. The writers explained these things based on their current understanding of the universe and not because of any secrets from the Holy Spirit.
Which is why we can't use the Bible to confirm or deconfirm certain scientific theories such as Evolution, Big Bang, or whatever else that happens. The church has done this by trying to defend the Heliocentric theory, flat earth, to YE, and it always just ends with us christians losing it's credibility.
This is the point i'm presenting to Dad. Genesis doesn't take in mind a sphere earth which is why we have no scientific clarification as to how a "1st-day" can logically be when one side of the sphere would be the 1st to exp the day.
Probably had two arms, two legs, ten fingers, ten toes just like all other humans... considering that they populated the earth.We don't know how Adam and Eve originally looked.
Did you seriously just say that? After saying "Maybe"?Maybe the looked holy, and after the fall, their bodies devolved into the "ape-looking" in where we will now have to progress-evolve back to the image that God originally wanted us to be.
We don't know because the Bible just made it's creation story straight to the point so it can go and talk about how everything leads to the Messiah.
Yes there are allegories, parables and similes in the bible... You think God started off with these?ALL allegories, parables, types and similies, in the bible are 'written down'. That does not stop them being allegories, or make them definitively 'historical'. How you interpret the meaning of the text and the context it was written in, and the type of literature it actually is and was for the author, those are the determining factors. Plus how it accords with what the human race has learned scientifically, over the last 6,000 years, to be logically probable. We are still discovering what the bible has to tell us of The Truth, which is God. If we already knew everything and got it right, we would have already reached the New Jerusalem.
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Or perhaps the 'understanding' is that the tooth fairy was gay and hated Santa? I suppose one could insert whatever one wanted once one rejected what was said as any sort of reality.
because He wanted He disciples to understand but not those who are scoffers.Why did Jesus use parables instead of straight talking?
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So how does One separate things that do not exist? Ha. The waters had to be here in order to get separated I would think. The 'deep' seems to have included waters.
I see Peter seemed to think water was here in the beginning.
2Pe 3:5 -For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
That verse does not allow for a big bang either by the way! The word of God created the heavens, not some hot soup.
By the way the chapter you cited is not a creation order, that was after the fact when it was all finished and done. The verse also talks about plants which were created NOT on day one so you are off target by a long shot.
That verse is AFTER the first day! Ha.
So we have God now separating waters on day two, so they must have been here.
Says you. But as we see in Scripture God was talking about the earth when He mentions His Spirit was moving here!!
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Looking at an eyewitness account of the event it looks like there was plenty of water around at creation!
22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. 27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: 28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: 29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: 30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
When I think of the first day and God hovering over the waters, that is before the waters were separated and the land appeared. So not sure why you claim I think it was 'oceans' in the modern sense? I don't think modern oceans really got here till after the flood when more water came to earth, an the great landmass was separated into continents we know today. By the way when I say after the flood, regarding the separating of the continents, I mean in the days of Peleg.
I believe that, in this universe, things constantly move from orgaization to chaos...... not from chaos to organization..Evolution isn't impossible. You only reject evolution because of your lack of knowledge on it and your inability to accept that the Bible isn't a science-revealing book.
Just go back to my arguments about the 1st day and try to tie it in on your reasoning against Evolution (God making eve through adam).
because He wanted He disciples to understand but not those who are scoffers.
“And the disciples came, and said unto Him, Why do you speak unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto YOU to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but unto them it is NOT given.” Matt 13:10-11
I believe that, in this universe, things constantly move from orgaization to chaos...... not from chaos to organization..
Evolution starts with nothing and ends up with everything. It also starts with chaos and ends with order.
This is not natural.
I believe that, in this universe, things constantly move from orgaization to chaos...... not from chaos to organization..
Evolution starts with nothing and ends up with everything. It also starts with chaos and ends with order.
This is not natural.