Jesus came to FREE His precious BACs from sinning!

[BCsenior]

It is God's Word that teaches that all those who continue in known unrepentant sin will not enter into God's Kingdom

Obviously true.
I call it "habitual (unrepentant) sin".

 

[Hammster]

Obviously true.
I call it "habitual (unrepentant) sin".

And so you deny the power of the gospel to save.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Again, it wasn’t about what I believe. I can’t be much clearer. If you think that there’s something one must do (in your case, repent of known sin) then you believe in grace plus works. You just showed it again in this quote. I don’t know why you try to deny it.

Of course it was about what you believe. You stated earlier and highlighted the concluding section in the post I provided that said "All those who continue in known unrepentant sin will not enter the kingdom of heaven was preaching faith plus works. Yet it is God's WORD that teaches this brother not me *HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10; GALATIANS 5:19-21; EPHESIANS 5:6; COLOSSIANS 3:6; REVELATION 21:7-8; TITUS 2:11-12.

You do not believe brother Hammster that Christians can live in known unrepentant sin and still be allowed to enter God's Kingdom do you?

I did not even add MATTHEW 7:22-23 to the list above; [22], Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? [23], And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

Now brother, where have I ever posted and said anywhere that there is something that we can do to save ourselves except to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD? I have never posted anywhere that there is anything we can do of ourselves to save ourselves. Please do not pretend that I have.

 

[GodsGrace101]

This is why I reject the idea of OSAS. I will hold to once regenerate, always regenerate. Or once a sheep, always a sheep. Or once a child always a child

I believe in eternal security but with a condition.
The condition is that we REMAIN IN Jesus.
As He taught in
John 15:5-6
5“I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.
6“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.

I must say that I respect calvinist theology because it does teach that it's necessary to follow the teachings of Jesus...to live according to how He would have us live.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Stop shifting the burden on me. And stop spamming.

You can either defend what you posted, or try to wiggle out of it. That’s up to you. But if you believe that we have to do ANYTHING to stay saved (in your case, repent of known sins), then you believe in grace plus works. This has nothing to do with what I believe. I’m just showing others that your understanding is faulty and that you contradict yourself.

I just got through saying how I respect calvinism for teaching that we are to obey God.

Are you saying that it is not necessary to obey God to stay saved?

You mean we could NOT obey God...and STILL be saved?

2 John 1:9
9Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son.

 

[Hammster]

Of course it was about what you believe. You stated earlier and highlighted the concluding section in the post I provided that said "All those who continue in known unrepentant sin will not enter the kingdom of heaven was preaching faith plus works. Yet it is God's WORD that teaches this brother not me *HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10; GALATIANS 5:19-21; EPHESIANS 5:6; COLOSSIANS 3:6; REVELATION 21:7-8; TITUS 2:11-12.

You do not believe brother Hammster that Christians can live in known unrepentant sin and still be allowed to enter God's Kingdom do you?

I did not even add MATTHEW 7:22-23 to the list above; [22], Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? [23], And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

Now brother, where have I ever posted and said anywhere that there is something that we can do to save ourselves except to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD? I have never posted anywhere that there is anything we can do of ourselves to save ourselves. Please do not pretend that I have.

You believe that one must do something (repent of known sins) to remain saved. That’s a work. That’s something, according to you, if it’s not done will result in not entering the kingdom.

So I’m not pretending anything.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You believe that one must do something (repent of known sins) to remain saved. That’s a work. That’s something, according to you, if it’s not done will result in not entering the kingdom.

So I’m not pretending anything.

So you believe all those who continue in known unrepentant sin will enter into God's KINGDOM despite the mountain of God's Word that says the opposite? God's Word teaches that REPENTANCE of sin is a requirement of God's FORGIVENESS *PROVERBS 28:13; ACTS 2:38; ACTS 3:19; ACTS 8:32. Do you not believe these scriptures brother and the ones posted earlier that show no one who continues in known unrepentant sin enters God's Kingdom?

 

[Hammster]

I believe in eternal security but with a condition.
The condition is that we REMAIN IN Jesus.
As He taught in
John 15:5-6
5“I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.
6“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.

I must say that I respect calvinist theology because it does teach that it's necessary to follow the teachings of Jesus...to live according to how He would have us live.

“Necessary” is a tricky word. There’s nothing I need to do to stay saved. If I’m a child, and I’m disobedient, I don’t stop being a child. I receive discipline. So my obedience is for my good and my growth, not for my position.

 

[Hammster]

So you believe all those who continue in known unrepentant sin will enter into God's KINGDOM despite the mountain of God's Word that says the opposite?

Still not about me. I’m just stating what you preach. Once you admit that my assessment of your view is correct, we can move on.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Still not about me. I’m just stating what you preach. Once you admit that my assessment of your view is correct, we can move on.

Of course it is. You were making claims that I never made or believe. Only God's Word has been provided to you. These are God's WORD not mine. You are providing your own words which are not God's.

 

[Hammster]

Of course it is. You were making claims that I never made or believe. Only God's Word has been provided to you. These are God's WORD not mine. You are providing your own words which are not God's.

My claims come directly from what you post. And the bolded part above isn’t true. You provide your commentary with every post. That so self-evident, I’m not sure why you’d try to deny it.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

My claims come directly from what you post. And the bolded part above isn’t true. You provide your commentary with every post. That so self-evident, I’m not sure why you’d try to deny it.

Indeed and your claims of faith and works were false claims. Where does it say in God's WORD we can be saved in KNOWN UNREPENTANT sin? I can repost all the scriptures provided to you that you claims in this post I have not provided to you if you like just let me know.

 

[Hammster]

Indeed and they were false ones. Where does it say in God's WORD we can be saved in KNOWN UNREPENTANT sin?

Are you talking about believers staying saved, or unbelievers becoming saved?

 

[GodsGrace101]

“Necessary” is a tricky word. There’s nothing I need to do to stay saved. If I’m a child, and I’m disobedient, I don’t stop being a child. I receive discipline. So my obedience is for my good and my growth, not for my position.

I'm using the word necessary the way it's normally understood.

I believe that if we stay IN CHRIST, we will be saved.
IF we remove ourselves from HIm,,,then our soul will surely be in danger.

The following does not sound like discipline...it sounds like our very salvation is at stake, as per Paul:


Colossians 1:21-23
21And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,
22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—
23if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Are you talking about believers staying saved, or unbelievers becoming saved?

Just as the statement says "ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN" which is God's Word not mine as shown in the scriptures you said I have not provided *HEBREWS 6:4-8; MATTHEW 7:22-23; HEBREWS 10:26-27; JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10; GALATIANS 5:19-21; EPHESIANS 5:6; COLOSSIANS 3:6; REVELATION 21:7-8; TITUS 2:11-12 .

 

[Hammster]

Just as the statement says "ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN" which is God's Word not mine as shown in the scriptures you said I have not provied

What verse says that exactly?

 

[Hammster]

I'm using the word necessary the way it's normally understood.

I believe that if we stay IN CHRIST, we will be saved.
IF we remove ourselves from HIm,,,then our soul will surely be in danger.

The following does not sound like discipline...it sounds like our very salvation is at stake, as per Paul:


Colossians 1:21-23
21And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,
22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—
23if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.

He’s talking about true believers. True believers will continue in the faith. When they wander, the Father disciplines. When they wander, the Shepherd retrieved them. The Good Shepherd would lose none that the Father gives Him.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

What verse says that exactly?

Try working your way through the list of scriptures provided in post # 95 linked above. What do you think they mean?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

He’s talking about true believers. True believers will continue in the faith. When they wander, the Father disciplines. When they wander, the Shepherd retrieved them. The Good Shepherd would lose none that the Father gives Him.

Well that is not true. No need to add things in I have never said. Where did I post in any of my posts I am talking about as you claim "TRUE BELIEVERS"? If I have never made such claims why are you pretending I have again? Seems to be becoming a habbit with you saying things I have never said or believe. If you were a "TRUE BELIEVER" in God's WORD would you be continuing in KNOWN UNREPENTANT sin when God asks us not to?

 

[Hammster]

Try working your way through the list of scriptures provided in post # 95 linked above. What do you think they mean?

Just answer the question. You say that you only post God’s word without commentary. So where does it say, in any translation “ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN”

I’ll wait.