Bible IS SCIENCE, exposing misnamed 'science' today

[USincognito]

Are you yourself proving the things they say? or you just believe what they say and take it on FAITH that they know.

We don't have to "prove" anything ourselves because they have data and make it available for people to check out.

Also science doesn't prove anything and there's no such thing as scientific proof.

 

[USincognito]

I only dismiss what you call science, just as you dismiss what I (and the Bible) call faith...it is the same with religion. I can refer you here for some rational evidence: Linguistic Apologetics...unless you believe that linguistics is not science?

It's not about "belief". It's a fact that linguistics is a liberal art, not a science.
UT College of Liberal Arts:
What Can I Do With a Major In Linguistics?
Linguistics // Purdue College of Liberal Arts

 

[USincognito]

"Linguistics is the scientific study of language.[1]

Halliday's book is available on Google Books. On pages 199 and 200 he does not claim that linguistics is a science and admits it lacks many of the characteristics of a science.

 

[USincognito]

{snip}

The word "religion" has become very abstract.

Only for those who need it to be so they can make ridiculous claims like science being a religion or atheism being a religion. Those of us who use English in a normal way know exactly what the word means.

 

[USincognito]

No, but clearly I understand the topic better than you.

Let's flesh out an error of yours. You discussed "energy" a well defined concept in physics. You made the error of using the various meanings of the word in a dictionary and then pretended that you made a point by relying on equivocation fallacies.

Especially when energy, in terms of this subforum, refers to things like hydrocarbons, solar, nuclear, etc.

 

[Tone]

Only for those who need it to be so they can make ridiculous claims like science being a religion or atheism being a religion. Those of us who use English in a normal way know exactly what the word means.

Well, the biblical definition of religion and faith is necessary here in this thread as it relates to the OP and the title ("Bible IS SCIENCE, exposing misnamed 'science' today").

All we can say definitively thus far is that we accept different definitions for different concepts, which goes to show that we simply do not have the same fundamental worldview.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, the biblical definition of religion and faith is necessary here in this thread as it relates to the OP and the title ("Bible IS SCIENCE, exposing misnamed 'science' today").

All we can say definitively thus far is that we accept different definitions for different concepts, which goes to show that we simply do not have the same fundamental worldview.

The problem is that the Biblical definition is wrong since faith is not evidence. Perhaps that was the fault of the translators. I have seen that people who do not work with evidence do not properly understand the term. Blame the translators if you must, but the Biblical version is sadly mostly word salad.

 

[USincognito]

Well, the biblical definition{snip}

No, just no. There is no separate "Biblical definition" of science. The word science doesn't even appear in the Bible because it didn't exist (in any language) until the middle ages. Before then science was considered natural philosophy and Latin word for science meant knowledge, not an method of studying the natural world using the scientific method (which didn't exist until the 17th century).

All we can say definitively thus far is that we accept different definitions for different concepts, which goes to show that we simply do not have the same fundamental worldview.

The only "we's" here are you, and everyone else.

 

[Tone]

No, just no. There is no separate "Biblical definition" of science. The word science doesn't even appear in the {snip}...oh, that is fun!

We're not talking about the "word science", we're talking about the Word of science:

Psalms 111:2
"Great are the works of the LORD; they are pondered by all who delight in them."

Psalms 19:1-2
"1For the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands. 2Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge."

Job 38:4-7
4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Isaiah 40:12
"Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?"

Psalms 104:5
"Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever."

Romans 1:20
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

Hebrews 11:1
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

17 Bible verses about Science



It is from the Bible that Western thought received its ability to even conceive of a "scientific method", which hinges upon the assumption of an objective existence. Just do some research on the worldviews of all the heavy hitters of scientific history and discovery, and you will find Biblical thought woven throughout.


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[USincognito]

This has ceased to be a productive use of my time.

 

[Tone]

Scientific paradigms come and go, but the Word of Yah abides forever.

 

[Tone]

The real question is...what paradigm are you trusting in, at this point in time? Whichever it is, there is no "scientific" explanation for why it is.

*Kuhn is correct, Science (as we know it today) isn't heading towards some "final paradigm" that is "The True Paradigm", but it could if it turns back to its basic priciples, which are certainly rooted in the Biblical worldview.

**Said of Kuhn: "He admits that choosing one paradigm over another 'cannot be resolved by proof,'"

 

[Subduction Zone]

The real question is...what paradigm are you trusting in, at this point in time? Whichever it is, there is no "scientific" explanation for why it is.

*Kuhn is correct, Science (as we know it today) isn't heading towards some "final paradigm" that is "The True Paradigm", but it could if it turns back to its basic priciples, which are certainly rooted in the Biblical worldview.

**Said of Kuhn: "He admits that choosing one paradigm over another 'cannot be resolved by proof,'"

The narrator does not even have a high school level of science literacy. It is hard to take his claims seriously.

 

[Tone]

The narrator does not even have a high school level of science literacy. It is hard to take his claims seriously.

I don't know...I like him...he seems like a pretty smart hombre to me......he's definitely not a creationist...he assures the audience quite often of this.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't know...I like him...he seems like a pretty smart hombre to me......he's definitely not a creationist...he assures the audience quite often of this.

Then you probably know less than he does. Not a very convincing argument. Find a better source if you want people to take you seriously. The problem is that better sources do not make such obviously failed arguments. And one does not need to be a creationist to be wrong, though it helps.

 

[dad]

They're pointing out that your religious in your beliefs. Because that's what they are, just beliefs.

True, but when I mention that science is religious it is mainly referring to the fact that all origin 'science' claims are actually beliefs and belief based entirely, 100%.

 

[dad]

Do you believe that technology frees mankind up to do more than he ever could,

Ha. I believe that technology/science would free man of life itself unless Jesus were to return and rescue us.

 

[dad]

No, just no. There is no separate "Biblical definition" of science. The word science doesn't even appear in the Bible because it didn't exist (in any language) until the middle ages. .

They used to call them wise men, and magicians, and astrologers etc. Wisdom of this world. Same old religion with lipstick and a white coat.

 

[dad]

Especially when energy, in terms of this subforum, refers to things like hydrocarbons, solar, nuclear, etc.

In the bible angels are not powered by that sort of energy. The energy you are familiar with isjust a tea cup sized sample of the power of God Almighty, that is manifested here in the fishbowl!

 

[Subduction Zone]

True, but when I mention that science is religious it is mainly referring to the fact that all origin 'science' claims are actually beliefs and belief based entirely, 100%.

Scientific beliefs are evidence based by definition. If your belief is not evidence based it cannot be scientific.