Time and the first living "thing"

[section9+1]

There is one fundamental thing I believe about God. He always gives people what they are looking for. You will hit what you aim at. You will find what you search out. If you are looking for evolution and an old earth your evidence will verify it. God makes sure of that. On the other hand, if you believe his word and trust in its truth, he will satisfy you with that. I am sure your evidence satisfies you. God has guaranteed it. Personally, I choose to rely on the evidence of his word and I think we will have to wait for the hereafter to find the truth, but I have no problem at all with my belief choices and I have no interest in depriving you of your truths or your justifications. I will stand before God someday and it comforts me to know that I can tell him that I believed his message to his elect to the best of my ability and that my belief was based upon my faith and trust in his honesty and accuracy and not on planted empirical evidence.

 

[Brightmoon]

There is one fundamental thing I believe about God. He always gives people what they are looking for. You will hit what you aim at. You will find what you search out. If you are looking for evolution and an old earth your evidence will verify it. God makes sure of that. On the other hand, if you believe his word and trust in its truth, he will satisfy you with that. I am sure your evidence satisfies you. God has guaranteed it. Personally, I choose to rely on the evidence of his word and I think we will have to wait for the hereafter to find the truth, but I have no problem at all with my belief choices and I have no interest in depriving you of your truths or your justifications. I will stand before God someday and it comforts me to know that I can tell him that I believed his message to his elect to the best of my ability and that my belief was based upon my faith and trust in his honesty and accuracy and not on planted empirical evidence.

. If you think the evidence has been planted I’d like to seeYOUR evidence for that . Otherwise you’re just repeating a very common creationist lie

 

[section9+1]

Prove to me it's not planted. Go to scripture and convince me otherwise. It's all about what we have chosen to believe and what is in our hearts to drive the belief choices we make. It depends upon your view of what God is really trying to accomplish with mankind between Adam and the second coming.

 

[ProfessorCPA]

Certainly scientific reasoning and proof are not mutually exclusive with creation! God created science and time. I think people who still believe the earth is 7,000 years old are doing a disservice to spreading the good news. Remember, God does not live in time. It is part of His creation for our lack of understanding. It's His design. We can only have faith in His promises and, most importantly, in the grace we received when Jesus paid for our sins.

 

[Brightmoon]

Prove to me it's not planted. (Snip) .

You made the claim , you prove it. It’s not up to me to demonstrate something that’s been known , in some cases, for centuries. You claiming that these are fraudulent. You come up with the facts that prove that

 

[section9+1]

My facts exist in scripture. A place which has no credibility in your eyes. So let's just let the wheat and tares grow up together and wait and see.

 

[Brightmoon]

I take it that you don’t have evidence since you went into threat mode. Typical

 

[section9+1]

Like I said before, I have no interest in convincing you otherwise. If you are happy and satisfied with your position, my theology tells me that it is best all around that you stay where you are. I recommend it. I endorse it. All things work together for good for those who are called according to his purpose. So your choice of truth's source is a good thing. It fits my theology.

 

[Brightmoon]

I’m just glad they don’t allow fundies to burn disagreeing people at the stake anymore

 

[section9+1]

Sounds like you're the one with the bitterness and anger inside of him. As for me, I'm practically on your side.

 

[Brightmoon]

Sounds like you're the one with the bitterness and anger inside of him. As for me, I'm practically on your side.

I didn’t realize that creationists actually existed until I was in my mid 30s . Common descent of at least the land vertebrates is so obvious that I picked up on it as a 10 year old without having to be told . Y’all just look wilfully ignorant to me. It’s not bitterness it’s shock .

 

[section9+1]

To be called willfully ignorant by a fringe Episcopalian who finds his relatives in a zoo isn't much of an insult.

 

[Brightmoon]

To be called willfully ignorant by a fringe Episcopalian who finds his relatives in a zoo isn't much of an insult.

I like my big family just fine Here’s one of them who’s hanging out in my living room right now! Aglaonema crispum var Anyanmanee aka red Chinese evergreen.

It’s very easy to grow by the way even though it looks like a prima donna

 

[dad]

Yawning is sometimes a physiological response to low oxygen . Since lungs evolved from a pocket on the gut , it makes evolutionary sense that vertebrate animals with lungs would yawn to get more air into their lungs to get more oxygen .

Man's lungs did not evolve from a pocket on a gut actually. Man was breathing from the day he was created. It may make sense inside a fantasy world created by godless men who are 498 pieces short of a 500 piece puzzle but that really doesn't matter.

 

[dad]

. I wouldn’t consult the Bible if I was looking for a new peach cobbler recipe . I wouldn’t consult the Bible if I wanted architectural plans. I don’t consult the Bible if I want accurate dependable scientific results . That’s not what the Bible is for.

Jesus consulted the living daylights out of it. You should be so lucky.

 

[Brightmoon]

Man's lungs did not evolve from a pocket on a gut actually. Man was breathing from the day he was created. It may make sense inside a fantasy world created by godless men who are 498 pieces short of a 500 piece puzzle but that really doesn't matter.

. Even during fetal development you can see the lungs form from the gut. Please don’t mix up your fantasies with real life

 

[dad]

. Even during fetal development you can see the lungs form from the gut. Please don’t mix up your fantasies with real life

Forming is not evolving. God forms us in the womb. Nothing to do with evolution. Don't interject your religion into reality. Adam was not an embryo, so your attempted point is also totally off base.

 

[Brightmoon]

Yeah yeah !Ignorance is bliss and denial is a river in Egypt. Heard creationist pseudoscience a thousand times and still not buying

 

[dad]

Yeah yeah !Ignorance is bliss and denial is a river in Egypt. Heard creationist pseudoscience a thousand times and still not buying

People selling stuff usually have no interest in buying.

 

[Brightmoon]

Why would I want to become ignorant?