Why are most Christians politically right wing?

[Francis Drake]

So you're against taxation. Got it.

I'm not against taxation for justifiable causes like defence of the country or road building etc. But there is no biblical or spiritual justification to steal people's money for handouts to others. Despite calling it taxation, its just theft by another name.

 

[timothyu]

But there is no biblical or spiritual justification to steal people's money for handouts to others.

Then why allow the bulk of the wealth to flow to the top of the pyramid? Why not let the base be as prosperous as it once was even only a little over a half century ago. Not because of handouts, but because of thriving small business and industry, local not global.

 

[Kaon]

If everyone looked out for their neighbour that would blanket the world. It don't get much bigger than that.

This is the simplicity of it.

If the entire world loved each other (not the empty abstraction and feeling, but the action) then no one would want for anything. You wouldn't stand being able to see your brother begging for food and shelter while you have both food and shelter in excess. It would make no sense.

 

[Francis Drake]

Capitalism plays on greed saying envy and work enough and you too can be a good little consumer and have all the toys while we amass the wealth. But capitalists need to draw attention away from that fact, so they take a word and redefine it to create an enemy because they can't use communism any more.

Such is the self serving world of man that since the Garden redefines what is good and bad to suit their own deeds. Talk about ungodly covetousness and greed in defending the ways contrary to God.

More Marxist propaganda.
The basis of the Law of Moses is capitalist.

 

[timothyu]

This is the simplicity of it.

Yes the original teachings of Jesus were so simple before we made an institution out of it like all the others. Where how can I make this to my advantage overtook servitude.

You wouldn't stand being able to see your brother begging for food and shelter while you have both food and shelter in excess.

Yes you don't see many communal barn raisings these days except maybe for Jimmy Carter's house building programs.

But again, just giving of self is often all that is required (in case some more into hoarding their excess money or goods think they too can't help out otherwise).

 

[timothyu]

More Marxist propaganda.
The basis of the Law of Moses is capitalist.

Moses was about gain at the expense of others rather than redistribution?

 

[Francis Drake]

Then why allow the bulk of the wealth to flow to the top of the pyramid? Why not let the base be as prosperous as it once was even only a little over a half century ago. Not because of handouts, but because of thriving small business and industry, local not global.

I am completely against what the big corporations and businesses get up to, particularly international ones.
But they don't particularly represent capitalism, but Fascism.

Fascism is when corporate enterprises work hand in hand with socialist politicians to control the economy, controlling the production and distribution of goods etc. Huge profits for them and their cronies.

That was how Hitler's Third Reich operated, and how the European Union operates.

 

[Francis Drake]

Moses was about gain at the expense of others rather than redistribution?

Silly straw man argument. I never said that.
One fact is certain though, Moses said nothing about forced redistribution of wealth.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

Actually that freedom is the Kingdom and away from the institutions and traditions of man. Nations like to claim God is on their side but the only side He is on is the Kingdom which runs opposite to the ways of man. You have simply chosen the governance of man over the governance of God.

God says don't use me to justify your deeds, instead change to suit my will.

I believe nations who honor God will be blessed. Nations who reject God will be punished and dealt with in due time. In American politics, not choosing a side is not an option, neither did we create the political parties, but one of two will decide the direction the country turns. I could, but will not, go through a very long list of reasons to not choose the left side, and unless you do not vote, you too will choose the governance of man in that regard. Not voting is not an option, it is a cherished freedom, to have a say in elections which can have very real consequences. Nobody chooses the governance of God, He sovereignly rules over the nations, apart from the choices of man. I am not one who believes Christians should be pacifists in politics, quite the opposite really, Christians should be political activists, to make a difference for Christ in the world. Not engaging the world with a Christian worldview in every area of life, is akin to handing the world over to Satan on a silver platter. The Kingdom of believers is worldwide, and institutions should be prime targets for Christianizing. It is a trickling down effect, the difference between a Christ honoring education and a secular education at odds with Christ. So many institutes of higher education in America were founded on Christianity, how far so many have drifted away from their roots, I encourage doing a little research if you do not believe me.

 

[timothyu]

But they don't particularly represent capitalism, but Fascism.

Well then welcome to today's world.

That was how Hitler's Third Reich operated, and how the European Union operates.

Not to mention the most powerful nation to the west. Remember when local corporate money controlled governments, not global.

 

[timothyu]

Moses said nothing about forced redistribution of wealth.

The Egyptians and Canaanites might argue.

 

[timothyu]

Not voting is not an option, it is a cherished freedom, to have a say in elections which can have very real consequences.

You do have other options rather than the ones you are told to choose from. How advantageous is it to choose one over another just because they offer you one or two moral points they conveniently never fulfil to keep you coming back.. but follow for the most part an immoral system.

Where is the freedom in that? Choosing from choices you have no say in the making of. At the least you can choose none of the above or is that option not available to you. If not... why?

Christians should be political activists, to make a difference for Christ in the world

And that can be done by civil disobedience as in Jesus' time. None of them relied on the political system to back them. They were an outside force who rebelled by not rebelling against the government as the zealots did, but by setting up an entirely new way of life contrary to the existing system. Nothing stopping American Christians or any others from doing exactly the same. You'll never change the ways of man but you can change yourselves.

 

[danbuter]

Both parties are a mess. I can't vote for any party that supports baby murder, though (which is what abortion is).

 

[iluvatar5150]

If everyone looked out for their neighbour that would blanket the world. It don't get much bigger than that.

This is the simplicity of it.

If the entire world loved each other (not the empty abstraction and feeling, but the action) then no one would want for anything. You wouldn't stand being able to see your brother begging for food and shelter while you have both food and shelter in excess. It would make no sense.

This ignores the issues of problems that are not only large in scale, but also geographically correlated (i.e. when they impact large numbers of people in a single place) and/or require some level of expertise to address. For example, "the community" isn't much help when everybody's house has been flooded. Nor is "the community" going to be effective at fighting malaria or water-born illnesses.

 

[timothyu]

Both parties are a mess. I can't vote for any party that supports baby murder, though (which is what abortion is).

But voting for hypocrisy is ok where the party that claims to stand for the unborn worked hard to make abortion legal in the first place? Perhaps there are other options than the two parties that stand out but need not be followed.

 

[Francis Drake]

Well then welcome to today's world.


Not to mention the most powerful nation to the west. Remember when local corporate money controlled governments, not global.

But the worst answer to the above would be socialism.

 

[timothyu]

This ignores the issues of problems that are not only large in scale, but also geographically correlated (i.e. when they impact large numbers of people in a single place) and/or require some level of expertise to address. For example, "the community" isn't much help when everybody's house has been flooded. Nor is "the community" going to be effective at fighting malaria or water-born illnesses.

So much defensiveness of institutionalisation and a return to the will of man being the ultimate go to. And yet people complain about too much government.

 

[timothyu]

But the worst answer to the above would be socialism.

Secular or Christian?

 

[Francis Drake]

The Egyptians and Canaanites might argue.

Yet another straw man argument.
The Egyptians and Canaanites were the enemies of God under judgement.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

You do have other options rather than the ones you are told to choose from. How advantageous is it to choose one over another just because they offer you one or two moral points they conveniently never fulfil to keep you coming back.. but follow for the most part an immoral system.

Where is the freedom in that? Choosing from choices you have no say in the making of. At the least you can choose none of the above or is that option not available to you. If not... why?

One can live in denial, but the reality is, in America, politics largely consists of a two party system. Voting for a party which has no real "chance" of winning, is akin to not voting at all, sad but true. I would consider voting Constitutionalist if I thought it were possible for a third party to win a Presidential office. It's not even in the realm of possibilities, and more often than not, third parties become a means to split the votes of party, effectively doing injury to one party over another.

And that can be done by civil disobedience as in Jesus' time. None of them relied on the political system to back them. They were an outside force who rebelled by not rebelling against the government as the zealots did, but by setting up an entirely new way of life contrary to the existing system. Nothing stopping American Christians or any others from doing exactly the same. You'll never change the ways of man but you can change yourselves.

The only instances where civil disobedience is necessary is where laws etc. are clearly opposed to at odds with Scripture. Otherwise Jesus would have us obey civil authorities.